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Mon Oct-05-09 12:09 PM
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| 52. The whole purpose is to compete with the insurance companies to keep them honest |
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The fact is that there have been a lot of things spoken here with no definitions used. The fact is that some took public option to me anything up to and including government paid healthcare for all - the ultimate single payer.
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| -Obama "rallying support for a public plan option" now has between 54 and 56 votes |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 10:30 AM |
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Good - thanks for posting n/t |
emulatorloo |
Oct-05-09 10:32 AM |
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He's coming down the home stretch! |
tekisui |
Oct-05-09 10:35 AM |
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Thanks ProSense! Wonder where all the nasty naysayers are? |
Phx_Dem |
Oct-05-09 10:36 AM |
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! |
graywarrior |
Oct-05-09 10:40 AM |
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This is what we voted for!!!!! |
orpupilofnature57 |
Oct-05-09 10:38 AM |
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I didn't vote for appeasement of the conservative Dems. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 11:02 AM |
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OMG! |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 11:03 AM |
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fail |
dionysus |
Oct-05-09 11:24 AM |
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Compared to a Shrubbed Universe, this is radical. |
orpupilofnature57 |
Oct-05-09 11:36 AM |
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Shrub... just the mention reminds me how quickly we forget how good we got it right now. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 11:37 AM |
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And thats just what THEY want us to do. |
orpupilofnature57 |
Oct-05-09 11:39 AM |
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So anything is better than nothing? I will celebrate if there is a solid public option available to |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 11:51 AM |
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Me too ,This is the Deciding factor ,Agreed. |
orpupilofnature57 |
Oct-05-09 11:53 AM |
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If Obama pushed single payer universal healthcare through the door tomorrow, they'd still complain. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 12:10 PM |
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Let Obama push single payer universal health care through the door tomorrow I will not complain |
Vincardog |
Oct-05-09 01:35 PM |
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Obama never campaigned on single payer during the presidential race |
WonderGrunion |
Oct-05-09 04:16 PM |
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I saw it on the talking box with the pictures. Where were you when BO was for Universal health CARE? |
Vincardog |
Oct-05-09 04:20 PM |
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Universal health care isn't necessarily single payer |
WonderGrunion |
Oct-05-09 04:22 PM |
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And he never said he would get us out of Iraq, shut down GIT MO or do any of the things HE SAID HE |
Vincardog |
Oct-05-09 04:32 PM |
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He said he would get us out of Iraq in 16 months |
WonderGrunion |
Oct-05-09 04:40 PM |
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Don't bother with the details of the truth. Thats too much for such short attention spans. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 05:17 PM |
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Can't help it. I have no tolerance for ignorance of the facts. |
WonderGrunion |
Oct-05-09 06:42 PM |
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Yeah, out of Iraq ahead of schedule if you count leaving 50,000 "non-combat" troops behind |
bertman |
Oct-06-09 08:06 AM |
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If you're right after 16 months then you have a point. |
WonderGrunion |
Oct-06-09 01:11 PM |
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We are already 9 months into his administration - so you are saying in 7 months |
WatchWhatISay |
Oct-06-09 10:27 AM |
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We've removed the trops from the countryside |
WonderGrunion |
Oct-06-09 05:21 PM |
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I hope you are right, and I will be thrilled to give Obama credit |
WatchWhatISay |
Oct-07-09 12:26 PM |
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Yes anything actually is. Look at the history of social security and medicare and how they evolved. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 12:09 PM |
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No you won't... you'd still find something to bitch about |
scheming daemons |
Oct-05-09 12:09 PM |
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Yes, that's the key. If it's the "public option" Obama outlined in his speech he can keep it. |
bread_and_roses |
Oct-06-09 06:28 AM |
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Me, too, on all points. Not giving him a pass on a real public option |
closeupready |
Oct-06-09 09:00 AM |
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have to agree |
AuntPatsy |
Oct-05-09 10:43 PM |
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Who |
Cha |
Oct-05-09 02:05 PM |
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Who did you vote to appease? |
WonderGrunion |
Oct-05-09 04:14 PM |
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He better NOT rob me of my reconciliation joy!!!! |
Clio the Leo |
Oct-05-09 10:40 AM |
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Well, if Kent Conrad is "optimistic", then everything must be swell. |
freddie mertz |
Oct-05-09 10:43 AM |
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Its really bugging you that your constant negative blather is being turned on its face. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 11:29 AM |
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No, it's not. |
freddie mertz |
Oct-05-09 11:45 AM |
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No kidding. Notice folks are cheering when they don't even "know" what form of Public Option it is. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 11:48 AM |
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How ironic that you say that as you engage in your own form of passive/aggressive booing. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 11:50 AM |
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Do you know what kind of plan this is? What kind of Public Option is this? |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 11:53 AM |
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Yes. I actually have paid attention to the 4 bills that have public option plans. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 12:06 PM |
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Well, I haven't been given a reason to trust anything yet. I am glad you |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 12:28 PM |
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Thats fine for you to feel that way, but do you have to rain on everyone else's parade? |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 12:39 PM |
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It is important not to "trust' these folks to give you what you need without leaning |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 12:48 PM |
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Considering Obama's career and life history, I'd be very happy if he served his own interests. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 12:54 PM |
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None of the politcians are really serving the people, |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 12:56 PM |
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All the people Obama helped in the poor communities of Chicago disagree with you. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 01:12 PM |
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I am not going to engage in further debate. Politicians, do what is necessary |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 01:23 PM |
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Sorry if the truth of Obama's life long track record contradicts the way you wish to see things. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 02:54 PM |
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No politicians life contradicts their primary self interest. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 03:00 PM |
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Your overgeneralizations of politicians is bordering on illogical bigotry. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 05:39 PM |
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I refuse to trade insults with you. Think as you wish .You are entitled to your beliefs. |
saracat |
Oct-06-09 03:07 AM |
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That's your little small minded world..thankfully, |
Cha |
Oct-05-09 02:09 PM |
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Power is the basis of social structure. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 03:01 PM |
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I don't care about Conrad. Why are you ignoring that most of the good news in OP comes from Schumer? |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 12:07 PM |
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Because I don't trust Schumer either.I listen carefully to what they actually say. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 12:25 PM |
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You apparently haven't studied Schumer's record then. |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 01:13 PM |
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I have. But he is a politician.I also listened to him talk about how extending |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 01:56 PM |
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So you dismiss Schumer because he's a politician? Unlike, say... |
jenmito |
Oct-05-09 03:31 PM |
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Nope. Edwards is a politician too.Or he used to be. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 03:33 PM |
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And you trusted him. I don't recall you saying you didn't trust Edwards because he's |
jenmito |
Oct-05-09 03:42 PM |
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I did trust him On the issues at least but I was a different person then. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 04:04 PM |
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That explains a lot then. I was a big Deaniac and felt betrayed too. |
WonderGrunion |
Oct-05-09 04:20 PM |
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And another thing is that Schumer has a very watered downPO. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 03:36 PM |
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Hmmm... |
jenmito |
Oct-05-09 03:45 PM |
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Shumer is not exactly trustworthy either. |
freddie mertz |
Oct-05-09 03:59 PM |
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OK that was very funny Freddie. |
grantcart |
Oct-05-09 04:22 PM |
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the moderate dems know what they're doing. |
unblock |
Oct-05-09 10:44 AM |
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They also tend to hold out their votes for pork money |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-05-09 03:35 PM |
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The public option for which he has this support.... |
Hepburn |
Oct-05-09 10:47 AM |
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Yes, I always wich for more specifics when the PO is named, since it comes in so many variations. |
GreenPartyVoter |
Oct-05-09 10:55 AM |
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It sounds to me like we'll get a Wyden amendment for just that. |
CTyankee |
Oct-05-09 11:09 AM |
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I wonder if that is going to have to be timed in - as in - the exchanges open up to all in so many |
Pirate Smile |
Oct-05-09 12:36 PM |
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I'd like to think that could be the case...if so, tho, it's like a ticking time bomb for the hc |
CTyankee |
Oct-05-09 12:52 PM |
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Kent Conrad? Attractive package for conservative constituents? |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 10:49 AM |
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+1 |
polichick |
Oct-05-09 10:50 AM |
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Deal with reality |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 10:50 AM |
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Ahem. That says NOTHING.We still do not know what the final bill says. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 10:57 AM |
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No, it says everything. |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 12:02 PM |
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Where does it state anywhere what kind of Public Option is in the final bill? |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 12:07 PM |
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Think logically, they are not garnering support for an imaginary public option. |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 12:11 PM |
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They are gathering support to have "some kind of public option". |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 12:51 PM |
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The whole purpose is to compete with the insurance companies to keep them honest |
karynnj |
Oct-05-09 12:09 PM |
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Why the skepticism that that are beginning to work out |
karynnj |
Oct-05-09 12:05 PM |
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I don't trust anything ANY politician says.Not Edwards , not Obama, not Schumer. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 12:36 PM |
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It leaves me |
Baltoman991 |
Oct-05-09 10:40 PM |
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The most interesting part of this post |
sharp_stick |
Oct-05-09 10:49 AM |
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Which public option is the question. |
rudy23 |
Oct-05-09 03:45 PM |
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b-b-but I thought the WH made no calls in support of a public option???? |
HopeOverFear |
Oct-05-09 10:57 AM |
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Maybe because this isn't a "solid" public option.Another article states that the president is |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 11:01 AM |
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The reason is that many people are more likely to be won over by |
karynnj |
Oct-05-09 12:13 PM |
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If we can't get 50 plus one votes from our own party when we are the majority |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 01:58 PM |
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No one is saying that we can't get 51 votes (and only 50 is needed - we have Biden) |
karynnj |
Oct-05-09 05:02 PM |
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I understand that.There is NO excuse for not getting a decent Public Option to protect the lives |
saracat |
Oct-06-09 02:55 AM |
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+1 |
Connie_Corleone |
Oct-05-09 11:03 AM |
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The poll numbers in favor of the PO are the ultimate "handwriting on the wall." |
CTyankee |
Oct-05-09 11:07 AM |
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Thats why they got there ,I'll give them a couple more minutes. |
orpupilofnature57 |
Oct-05-09 11:38 AM |
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Yeah, but what kind of public plan? |
Arkana |
Oct-05-09 11:13 AM |
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Exactly. What kind of plan.It matters. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 11:52 AM |
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Comrade! Have you been skipping your re-education trainings! |
bvar22 |
Oct-05-09 12:21 PM |
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Unlike you, most people realize what was on the table and are under no delusions. n/t |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 12:57 PM |
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Oh? Then you must be willing to discuss the details. |
bvar22 |
Oct-05-09 01:44 PM |
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"Please, save me from my 'delusions'" Go do your own research. The bills are available online |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 02:01 PM |
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LOL. Afraid to answer the direct questions? |
bvar22 |
Oct-05-09 02:08 PM |
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Direct questions? Go do your own research. Anyone paying attention knows the answer. |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 02:14 PM |
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I have done the research. |
bvar22 |
Oct-05-09 02:42 PM |
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Well done.But then you are just not "optimistic" enough. |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 03:40 PM |
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OOPS. I forgot the graphics. |
bvar22 |
Oct-05-09 03:54 PM |
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No need to include photos of your family. Stick to the facts. n/t |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 11:10 PM |
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"will be limited to those whom the For Profits have already discarded" |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 03:50 PM |
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Who do you think currently makes up "The Uninsured"? |
bvar22 |
Oct-05-09 04:10 PM |
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"Until I see a provision for a tough, well funded oversight agency that will ENFORCE" |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 11:09 PM |
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Thanks for the FACTS. |
freddie mertz |
Oct-05-09 03:57 PM |
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bravo! i love you bvar22 and i wish i could recommend this post. |
inna |
Oct-05-09 11:00 PM |
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"we are completely screwed." You want people to wake up to the fact that you're |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 11:13 PM |
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i don't expect you to be reasonable at this point. nm, it's ok. |
inna |
Oct-05-09 11:30 PM |
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Maybe when health reform passes and fails, you can say "I told you so." |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 11:32 PM |
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Because hoarding info to yourself is how discussion boards work best! n/t |
GOTV |
Oct-06-09 09:44 AM |
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Probably whichever one the House passes |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-05-09 03:37 PM |
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Nobody in the Democratic caucus will fail to vote for cloture. |
Scarsdale Vibe |
Oct-05-09 11:17 AM |
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But, but, he needs to show LEADERSHIP (whatever that means,) |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 11:22 AM |
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Ah. now we know why the Polanski pardon rumor was being pimped. |
Orsino |
Oct-05-09 11:44 AM |
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Seems like great news, but who can tell? |
Vidar |
Oct-05-09 11:47 AM |
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Good. |
Vinca |
Oct-05-09 11:51 AM |
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It's happening |
BeyondGeography |
Oct-05-09 02:50 PM |
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Which public option? Rockefeller's saves taxpayers $110 billion. Schumer's is weak public option. |
flpoljunkie |
Oct-05-09 12:01 PM |
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They have been pushing to increase support for the HELP bill's public option, |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 12:05 PM |
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ANY kind of government offered option can be improved later. Ex: Social security and medicare |
phleshdef |
Oct-05-09 12:08 PM |
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Great point |
karynnj |
Oct-05-09 12:20 PM |
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That is one of the problems.... |
bvar22 |
Oct-05-09 12:47 PM |
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One question |
karynnj |
Oct-05-09 12:19 PM |
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This is a really factual representation.Thank you for this post! |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 12:42 PM |
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MY CONCERN: Mandate on all BUT a PO not open to all n/t |
quantass |
Oct-05-09 12:25 PM |
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Is an insurance exchange the same as a public option?? |
brightertomorrow |
Oct-05-09 01:00 PM |
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No, it isn't.And all of these things mean different things to different folks |
saracat |
Oct-05-09 01:14 PM |
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+1 |
quantass |
Oct-05-09 01:33 PM |
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Yes clarity is a real issue |
brightertomorrow |
Oct-05-09 03:12 PM |
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Conrad "I am Scandinavian" |
WyLoochka |
Oct-05-09 01:02 PM |
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And how many do they need... oh right 50 plus the VP.... |
Fearless |
Oct-05-09 01:36 PM |
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It still baffles me how a PO can be debatable...A) Competition B) Lower Costs .. |
quantass |
Oct-05-09 04:39 PM |
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They have 54 to 56 votes, maybe? They need 60, right? I think so. |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-05-09 05:05 PM |
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No, as long as Democrats remain unified against a filibuster, |
ProSense |
Oct-05-09 08:21 PM |
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I thought it took 2/3 to pass the bill, not just block a filibuster. No? |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-06-09 12:46 PM |
#158 |
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Obama is such a failure. Why can't he show any leadership? Why can't he seal the deal???? |
BlooInBloo |
Oct-05-09 05:28 PM |
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GOBAMA .. working it .. for us nt |
flamingdem |
Oct-05-09 08:42 PM |
#127 |
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"First of all, what exactly is or are Mad As Hell Doctors mad about?" |
flyarm |
Oct-05-09 09:48 PM |
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thank you for posting this, it's very important! |
inna |
Oct-05-09 11:16 PM |
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I refuse to believe that this is the plan they have for us..the repugs I would have no problem |
AuntPatsy |
Oct-05-09 11:53 PM |
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As a free and proud person I am entitled to know the definition |
saracat |
Oct-06-09 03:03 AM |
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perhaps the wh is playing to win for us in the end if it is true that |
AuntPatsy |
Oct-05-09 11:26 PM |
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If the public option is delayed until 2013, it becomes worthless |
eridani |
Oct-05-09 10:41 PM |
#130 |
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I really doubt they're going to agree to |
jeanpalmer |
Oct-05-09 11:19 PM |
#137 |
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According to the CBO |
jeanpalmer |
Oct-05-09 11:50 PM |
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By the way |
jeanpalmer |
Oct-06-09 12:10 AM |
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so-called PO is CRUMBS to be thrown to the base as a distraction. |
inna |
Oct-06-09 01:28 AM |
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Controversial elements? |
moonbatmax |
Oct-06-09 03:34 AM |
#148 |
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Every TV asshole tells |
Enthusiast |
Oct-06-09 05:33 AM |
#149 |
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So- does that mean he has 55??? |
stlsaxman |
Oct-06-09 06:26 AM |
#150 |
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50+1 |
Deep13 |
Oct-06-09 07:41 AM |
#152 |
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What are We Celebrating? |
swilton |
Oct-06-09 08:14 AM |
#154 |
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