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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 05:09 PM
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126. I'm the OP and for me is wasn't like that. As liberals of course we must admit it is complex.
When I entered college I was a far right wing guy coming from a far right fundamentalist family. But with every college hour I took I became a little less sure of many things I had taken for granted. About 220 hours later and holding a masters I was the kind of guy that was comfortable with gays (I had been super homophobic before)and the kind of guy who was very comfortable right here at DU. So formal education can make a big difference and I believe it does--it certainly did for me.

Of course if one enters Liberty "University" the result is not likely to be the same.
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  -I believe I have made a big breakthrough in why the right is so anti-intellectual DuaneBidoux  Sep-30-09 05:38 PM   #0 
  - Excellent analysis. I think you are largely correct.  kestrel91316   Sep-30-09 05:43 PM   #1 
  - Not all Republicans are ignoramuses, but all ignoramuses are Republicans.  olegramps   Oct-01-09 08:07 AM   #53 
  - I disagree  niceypoo   Oct-01-09 09:26 AM   #57 
  - Kind of hard to reach us blue-collar folk with that analysis though  iconocrastic   Oct-01-09 03:41 PM   #95 
  - In the realm of anecdotal supposition, your thoughts are spot on.  stopbush   Sep-30-09 05:44 PM   #2 
  - One minor correction: Olberman ENTERED Cornell at age 16.  kestrel91316   Sep-30-09 05:44 PM   #3 
  - Right. He graduated at 20. n/t  pnwmom   Sep-30-09 05:49 PM   #7 
  - Oh, I was gonna say!  tblue   Sep-30-09 06:55 PM   #23 
  - That's still awesome.  ShortnFiery   Sep-30-09 09:57 PM   #31 
  - Still very impressive, I know a couple of people who've done similar  uponit7771   Oct-01-09 03:41 AM   #45 
     - Mrs. AA entered at 16, grauduated at 19  AngryAmish   Oct-01-09 03:31 PM   #92 
  - Happy to make it 5 - k&r!  polichick   Sep-30-09 05:47 PM   #4 
  - Great research  Cali_Democrat   Sep-30-09 05:47 PM   #5 
  - Well that proves it.....we've all been brainwashed at college!  rgbecker   Sep-30-09 05:48 PM   #6 
  - Populism attacks all sources of legitimate authority that are a threat  kristopher   Sep-30-09 05:49 PM   #8 
  - I'm reading Jung's 'Psychological Types'  TrogL   Oct-01-09 01:20 PM   #76 
  - I'm not predicting the end of populism  kristopher   Oct-01-09 03:27 PM   #90 
  - What's the psychological type of Alan Grayson under Jung's system?  iconocrastic   Oct-01-09 03:44 PM   #98 
  - Taking a wild guess - ENFP  TrogL   Oct-02-09 03:21 PM   #116 
  - Too much introverted sensing from the Freepers?  Odin2005   Oct-02-09 08:51 AM   #111 
  - I think you mean "illegitimate authority"  anonymous171   Oct-01-09 02:04 PM   #86 
     - THaT iS aNotHer pERspeCtIve.  kristopher   Oct-01-09 03:28 PM   #91 
        - Actually it is the truth. nt  anonymous171   Oct-01-09 03:32 PM   #93 
           - No, it isn't. But thanks for playing.  kristopher   Oct-01-09 03:44 PM   #97 
              - There's a lot of truth to it.  girl gone mad   Oct-01-09 03:52 PM   #99 
                 - So those problems justify the wingnut "elite" label?  kristopher   Oct-01-09 06:16 PM   #102 
  - Kinda reminds me of Adlai.  Jackpine Radical   Sep-30-09 05:53 PM   #9 
  - What a great quote  Canuckistanian   Sep-30-09 09:11 PM   #27 
  - He lost then, too.  nemo137   Oct-01-09 03:39 AM   #43 
     - He did lose, but to Ike!  elleng   Oct-01-09 05:35 AM   #47 
     - I think they were, but not to the extent that they are today.  nemo137   Oct-01-09 10:01 AM   #61 
        - and Ike disliked Nixon, and CERTAINLY was not one of them;  elleng   Oct-01-09 10:17 AM   #65 
           - Yes, but there was enough of that resentment there to make RMN a credible politician.  nemo137   Oct-01-09 10:27 AM   #67 
     - Exactly.  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-01-09 11:19 AM   #69 
  - LOL! Love that quote!  Odin2005   Oct-02-09 08:53 AM   #112 
  - That is good  DuaneBidoux   Oct-04-09 02:15 PM   #131 
  - That's not been my experience.  GMA   Sep-30-09 05:58 PM   #10 
  - Read the OP again  lunatica   Sep-30-09 06:40 PM   #20 
  - You seem to be in the substantial minority  Greyskye   Sep-30-09 06:45 PM   #21 
  - Why do you say that the OP is elitist?  AwakeAtLast   Sep-30-09 09:46 PM   #29 
  - "elitist" is a rightwing code word for liberal  ruggerson   Sep-30-09 09:58 PM   #32 
  - I think it's also a code word in general for anyone who is better as something than I am.  DuaneBidoux   Oct-01-09 01:48 PM   #82 
  - No.  snake in the grass   Oct-01-09 07:32 PM   #107 
  - And yet the right wing is fine with an elite, so long as it is based on  treestar   Oct-02-09 10:57 AM   #114 
  - LOL!  Zoeisright   Oct-01-09 12:02 AM   #38 
  - The person to whom you are replying is absolutely right.  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-01-09 11:23 AM   #70 
     - Oh BS.  Zoeisright   Oct-01-09 01:06 PM   #72 
        - Of those "ridiculing this person" yours best demonstrated the phenomenon.  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-01-09 02:14 PM   #87 
  - It's "judgment"  AspenRose   Oct-01-09 09:47 AM   #59 
  - Define your terms. What is "smart"?  TrogL   Oct-01-09 01:21 PM   #77 
  - Says the Glenn Beck defender.  JTFrog   Oct-03-09 08:00 AM   #120 
  - Interesting article here.  marew   Sep-30-09 06:01 PM   #11 
  - +1  otohara   Oct-02-09 11:11 AM   #115 
  - No, it's religion. It's easy to rally the stupid masses with religion.  valerief   Sep-30-09 06:05 PM   #12 
  - I agree with both you and the OP  truedelphi   Sep-30-09 06:27 PM   #15 
     - Yep, the GOP depends on the Jesus circuit to hook their minions.  valerief   Sep-30-09 06:31 PM   #17 
  - Deep, rational thought is simply incompatible with right-wing American politics.  Orsino   Sep-30-09 06:14 PM   #13 
  - I agree. The Right needs people to mistrust their intellects and reason.  Overseas   Oct-01-09 02:44 PM   #89 
  - Good find...and yes you did find the what we do about it??  movonne   Sep-30-09 06:18 PM   #14 
  - Well that is easy!  whosinpower   Sep-30-09 06:33 PM   #18 
     - Mandatory. They get a fine if they don't attend! Idiots cost this country trillions.  NoSheep   Oct-01-09 01:10 PM   #73 
     - I believe there's several countries doing that already  TrogL   Oct-01-09 01:46 PM   #81 
  - If I recall correctly....  Hepburn   Sep-30-09 06:30 PM   #16 
  - my partner never went to college  ruggerson   Sep-30-09 09:56 PM   #30 
  - My husband barely graduated HS  a la izquierda   Oct-01-09 06:36 AM   #49 
  - Because people who have read and studied don't fall for propaganda?  WinkyDink   Sep-30-09 06:36 PM   #19 
  - Required college English is called Critical Thinking  lunatica   Sep-30-09 06:47 PM   #22 
  - One of the best courses I ever took was "Sex Role Stereotypes in Education"  TrogL   Oct-02-09 03:47 PM   #117 
  - Intellect sometimes interferes with self serving logic.  rudy23   Sep-30-09 07:08 PM   #24 
  - And bless him, this is one reason why I'm not fond of Big Ed.....  Clio the Leo   Sep-30-09 07:49 PM   #25 
  - But of course, what you imply is untrue.  Bluenorthwest   Sep-30-09 09:58 PM   #33 
  - Ed is no polymath like Hartmann and Maddow, but he is raising holy populist hell on health care  eridani   Oct-01-09 02:38 AM   #41 
     - I tried to find education info on Ed. I know he played college football but I couldn't pin down a  DuaneBidoux   Oct-01-09 07:22 AM   #50 
  - They were the kids that cheated in school & copied others work.  Historic NY   Sep-30-09 08:44 PM   #26 
  - You're onto something here...  Catshrink   Sep-30-09 09:19 PM   #28 
  - Conservatives, Educated or Not, Do Not Want Their WorldView Challenged  Yavin4   Sep-30-09 10:07 PM   #34 
  - I think you're right. Critical thinking is key  AspenRose   Oct-01-09 10:03 AM   #63 
  - Yep, there's a strong correlation between being more educated and being more liberal  ShadowLiberal   Sep-30-09 10:45 PM   #35 
  - Correlation is not causation, of course.  boppers   Sep-30-09 11:58 PM   #36 
     - I don't think ANYTHING is a simple matter of causation.  DuaneBidoux   Oct-01-09 01:51 PM   #83 
  - I LOVE that quote; it's so true.  Zoeisright   Oct-01-09 12:01 AM   #37 
  - John Stuart Mill.  Manifestor_of_Light   Oct-01-09 10:30 AM   #68 
  - The relative lack of education of conservatives has been long-known...  BlooInBloo   Oct-01-09 12:29 AM   #39 
  - STUCK AT HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL.....Bwahahaha...little wonder their Bullyness and lack of knowledge..  opihimoimoi   Oct-01-09 02:27 AM   #40 
  - Both intellectually- and in their levels of emotional maturity  depakid   Oct-01-09 03:07 AM   #42 
  - Logical conclusions, worth taking a look at  uponit7771   Oct-01-09 03:40 AM   #44 
  - ***FOLLOW UP**** Only 2% of US Scientist consider themselves to be conservative, 56%Liberal (link)  uponit7771   Oct-01-09 03:44 AM   #46 
  - Evolution to liberalism  FlaGranny   Oct-01-09 06:35 AM   #48 
  - Beck took ONE COURSE, and he didn't finish it.  Stephanie   Oct-01-09 07:33 AM   #51 
  - It is about exposure to ideas different than ones own and ones  harun   Oct-01-09 08:00 AM   #52 
  - When I scan the radio stations while driving this is my experience:  olegramps   Oct-01-09 08:26 AM   #54 
  - Michael Moore is a college drop out.  ipaint   Oct-01-09 09:07 AM   #55 
  - Michael Moore does not disdain facts  niceypoo   Oct-01-09 09:24 AM   #56 
     - I'm not arguing that point.  ipaint   Oct-01-09 09:39 AM   #58 
  - That doesn't account for the Ivy League conservatives, who can be  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-01-09 09:58 AM   #60 
  - This wasn't always the case. Conservative were intellectuals once.  msallied   Oct-01-09 10:03 AM   #62 
  - Flawed arguement...  MidwestRick   Oct-01-09 10:12 AM   #64 
  - I have little college and I am not offended at all....  Klukie   Oct-01-09 10:24 AM   #66 
  - Reply recommended!  NoSheep   Oct-01-09 01:13 PM   #74 
  - Republiclowns celebrate ignorance.  Snarkoleptic   Oct-01-09 11:25 AM   #71 
  - authoritarians are anti-intellectual because it challenges their core beliefs  TrogL   Oct-01-09 01:14 PM   #75 
  - Batshit crazy Michele Bachmann voted NO on making it easier to go to college:  NoSheep   Oct-01-09 01:21 PM   #78 
  - Point of order, if I may...  badgerpup   Oct-01-09 01:28 PM   #79 
  - Republicans are just wrong. They aren't stupid. They knnow what they are doing.  anonymous171   Oct-01-09 01:33 PM   #80 
  - I didn't say they were stupid--I mentioned that the big conservative commentators lacked education.  DuaneBidoux   Oct-01-09 01:54 PM   #84 
  - Also - the "blue" states and areas tend to be better educated than the red.  kerry-is-my-prez   Oct-01-09 02:04 PM   #85 
  - I've been calling Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity college dropouts for years  zulchzulu   Oct-01-09 02:15 PM   #88 
  - You're on to something although I'd say missing education is more of a symptom than a cause...  ForeignSpectator   Oct-01-09 03:35 PM   #94 
  - Well, I probably too strongly equated "education" with college.  DuaneBidoux   Oct-01-09 06:58 PM   #103 
  - Yes, that's what I meant to say...  ForeignSpectator   Oct-02-09 05:13 AM   #109 
  - Coulter studies Law, which if it were many kinds, including corporate law, means nothing  DuaneBidoux   Oct-01-09 07:11 PM   #105 
  - I is a hi skool gradoooooate.  Vinca   Oct-01-09 03:42 PM   #96 
  - I Do Believe You are Correct  On the Road   Oct-01-09 04:09 PM   #100 
  - No offense, but technical is not education.  DuaneBidoux   Oct-01-09 07:09 PM   #104 
  - Propaganda works. It's just that simple.  Feron   Oct-01-09 04:19 PM   #101 
  - Bill Gates: college drop out  Liberty Lover   Oct-01-09 07:14 PM   #106 
  - Uh- no, don't know what you mean?  WatchWhatISay   Oct-02-09 12:30 AM   #108 
  - Actually I think they are all inferior to me  treestar   Oct-02-09 10:55 AM   #113 
  - I didn't say you could be successful with only a college degree. I'm not sure economic success comes  DuaneBidoux   Oct-02-09 04:18 PM   #118 
  - Or could it  billh58   Oct-02-09 04:31 PM   #119 
     - The ideal size of government for right wingers is less.  DuaneBidoux   Oct-03-09 11:06 AM   #122 
        - While I agree  billh58   Oct-03-09 12:41 PM   #123 
           - Actually I didn't realize anything either way--just typing away.  DuaneBidoux   Oct-03-09 04:28 PM   #124 
  - I think its even less complex than education  TheKentuckian   Oct-02-09 05:43 AM   #110 
  - That's a very interesting perspective, it's like asking ..why did  robo50   Oct-03-09 08:37 AM   #121 
  - Correct, every moment spent in liberal arts is like the elven rope around Gollum's neck  TheKentuckian   Oct-03-09 04:52 PM   #125 
  - I'm the OP and for me is wasn't like that. As liberals of course we must admit it is complex.  DuaneBidoux   Oct-03-09 05:09 PM   #126 
     - It can but it sounds like you weren't an native ideologue but rather a product of environment  TheKentuckian   Oct-03-09 06:37 PM   #127 
  - They don't care about education as long as they're making hundreds of millions of dollars!  Liberal_Stalwart71   Oct-03-09 08:13 PM   #128 
  - My brother is an MD, Ph.D. and solid Republican. I appealed  mnhtnbb   Oct-03-09 09:14 PM   #129 
  - One can go all the way through an MDs education and get not once ounce of education  DuaneBidoux   Oct-03-09 11:52 PM   #130 
  - I'm a college dropout. I'm not offended. I've always found the wingnut aversion to education  Honeycombe8   Oct-05-09 07:41 AM   #132 

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