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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:13 AM
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14. a third party will never do anything but weaken either the dems or the repubs. untill we have a euro
style parliamentary govt or runoff voting, all the third party people are doing is wasting their time and weakening the dems.
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  -It might suck, but the Democratic Party is the ONLY way forward CTLawGuy  Sep-30-09 06:30 AM   #0 
  - Just use my little rationalization.  whyverne   Sep-30-09 06:46 AM   #1 
  - Only for the time being, and only because of the Supreme Court  still_one   Sep-30-09 06:50 AM   #2 
  - I agree with your last two paragraphs, but disagree completely on the first  karynnj   Sep-30-09 07:16 AM   #7 
  - Good points. My main emphasis was that things can change where a party may not  still_one   Sep-30-09 09:15 AM   #15 
  - You are correct.  Enthusiast   Oct-01-09 03:00 PM   #52 
  - I used to think so. Lately I am not too sure.  freddie mertz   Sep-30-09 06:55 AM   #3 
  - Then we are doomed.  Warren Stupidity   Sep-30-09 06:55 AM   #4 
  - I'm in the same place  zipplewrath   Sep-30-09 11:11 AM   #19 
  - When I was in college, a roomate told me I HAD to support the PTL club on tv  Lerkfish   Sep-30-09 07:04 AM   #5 
  - I'm beginning to think both parties are the same because  Vinca   Sep-30-09 07:12 AM   #6 
  - Electoral politics is not the answer - we're wasting our energy on it  bread_and_roses   Sep-30-09 07:20 AM   #8 
  - #4 only works if the DEM establishment actually supports the DEM nominee 100%. Not so with Lamont.  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 12:09 PM   #23 
  - If They Can't Move The Ball Now, They Can't Move It Ever  MannyGoldstein   Sep-30-09 07:20 AM   #9 
  - Cept when they are going backwards, or spinning in a circle, or doing a circle jerk, etc.  Oregone   Sep-30-09 07:39 AM   #10 
  - You make some very good points.  sybylla   Sep-30-09 08:11 AM   #11 
  - Consider the alternative.  iceman66   Sep-30-09 08:14 AM   #12 
  - Yeah, they have that built in protection.  Enthusiast   Oct-01-09 03:07 PM   #55 
     - That makes absolutely no sense.  iceman66   Oct-01-09 06:31 PM   #61 
        - The world makes no sense  Enthusiast   Oct-02-09 05:00 AM   #68 
  - I don't think so...  S_E_Fudd   Sep-30-09 09:11 AM   #13 
  - a third party will never do anything but weaken either the dems or the repubs. untill we have a euro  dionysus   Sep-30-09 09:13 AM   #14 
  - Well the Dems are in power now. Let's see what they do about switching over to  GreenPartyVoter   Sep-30-09 11:57 AM   #22 
     - "(until it completely dies and has to be rebuilt from scratch.)" unfortunately that's what it would  dionysus   Sep-30-09 12:09 PM   #24 
  - True. Look where purist idealism got the Repukes  treestar   Sep-30-09 09:33 AM   #16 
  - I have to agree with you  WeDidIt   Sep-30-09 09:37 AM   #17 
  - There's a lot of truth to that...  Orsino   Sep-30-09 09:45 AM   #18 
  - The Democrats are going to have to earn my vote by being progressive.  invictus   Sep-30-09 11:28 AM   #20 
  - so you don't vote  CTLawGuy   Sep-30-09 10:00 PM   #28 
     - It makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  BzaDem   Oct-01-09 07:59 AM   #33 
  - Oh, so now DEMS NEED Liberals? Fine, then support them now, and we have nothing to worry about.  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 11:55 AM   #21 
  - people have brought up Lamont/Lieberman  CTLawGuy   Sep-30-09 05:19 PM   #25 
  - That was me. So what recent primary examples should we look to as the template?  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 06:41 PM   #26 
     - well  CTLawGuy   Sep-30-09 09:53 PM   #27 
     - So you dont have an answer. Lamont/Lieberman is our template on how DEM primaires work....  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 12:16 PM   #36 
        - where do you get this idea...  CTLawGuy   Oct-02-09 05:46 AM   #70 
           - You said that certain DEMS were "allowed" to support a conservative 3rd party.  Dr Fate   Oct-02-09 09:10 AM   #76 
     - let me ask you another question  CTLawGuy   Oct-01-09 06:27 AM   #32 
        - Shouldnt you answer my questions first? 2 of them went unanswered.  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 12:09 PM   #35 
           - let me be clear  CTLawGuy   Oct-02-09 06:09 AM   #72 
              - Thanks. I'll happily answer your question: No.  Dr Fate   Oct-02-09 09:29 AM   #79 
  - Electing Democrats doesn't work. Electing Left-kind of Democrats is what we must do.  IndianaGreen   Sep-30-09 10:04 PM   #29 
  - +1  ShortnFiery   Sep-30-09 10:21 PM   #30 
  - We elected Democratic Congress in 2006. and what was the first thing that happened?  IndianaGreen   Sep-30-09 10:27 PM   #31 
     - And on the other hand  Inuca   Oct-01-09 01:13 PM   #47 
  - Exactly. I wont give directly to the DNC or the DCC anymore- just good, solid individual DEMS  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 12:31 PM   #40 
  - Our problem is and always will be disproportionate representation in the Senate.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Oct-01-09 08:59 AM   #34 
  - THIS is something I have a major problem with  Inuca   Oct-01-09 01:24 PM   #48 
     - There's a reason they're called "states" and not provinces.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Oct-01-09 02:30 PM   #50 
        - Thanks for the bit of history  Inuca   Oct-01-09 03:12 PM   #56 
  - I agree. The reason the Repubs. are in lockstep all the time is because they are a small-tent party  jenmito   Oct-01-09 12:19 PM   #37 
  - Give me an example of the "vice versa"...  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 12:27 PM   #38 
     - Since I'm not a conservadem, I don't know what they'd consider  jenmito   Oct-01-09 12:30 PM   #39 
        - In that case, with all due respect, maybe you are wrong. There is no "vice versa"  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 12:35 PM   #41 
           - Well, the "may be" works both ways...  jenmito   Oct-01-09 12:39 PM   #42 
              - Fair enough- but I was asking for modern examples, not predictions for the future.  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 12:43 PM   #43 
                 - All of the examples you cited-  jenmito   Oct-01-09 12:52 PM   #44 
                    - Going to Iraq, Bush's tax cuts, "off the table", etc refer to past examples, not works in progress.  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 12:59 PM   #45 
                       - So you're talking about BEFORE Obama became president?  jenmito   Oct-01-09 01:06 PM   #46 
                          - I'm giving you recent, actual examples of Blue Dogs screwing us over, not predictions.  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 02:45 PM   #51 
                             - My post you first responded to said this:  jenmito   Oct-01-09 03:02 PM   #54 
                                - Fair enough- you are predicting what might happen- and I'm telling you what did indeed happen.  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 03:15 PM   #57 
  - Exactly  LatteLibertine   Oct-01-09 01:25 PM   #49 
  - Oh yeah,  Enthusiast   Oct-01-09 03:01 PM   #53 
  - So we're fucked!  Umbral   Oct-01-09 03:55 PM   #58 
  - We must take over the Democratic party from the centerists,  old mark   Oct-01-09 04:06 PM   #59 
  - LOL! I have a feeling the OP did not mean it quite that way.  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 06:02 PM   #60 
     - I know what he is saying, but this is OUR party even if they need an  old mark   Oct-01-09 06:59 PM   #63 
     - I'm with ya. n/t  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 07:01 PM   #64 
     - then you didn't read the OP very closely  CTLawGuy   Oct-02-09 06:18 AM   #73 
        - I did, and you said nothing specific about removing "centrists" or moving the party leftward.  Dr Fate   Oct-02-09 09:17 AM   #77 
  - So your answer is to happily accept mediocrity?  martymar64   Oct-01-09 06:33 PM   #62 
  - Fall in line behind the Joe Lieberman wing, then suck it up and hope for the best.  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 07:15 PM   #66 
  - + Infinity  Dinger   Oct-02-09 06:49 AM   #75 
  - please show  CTLawGuy   Oct-02-09 06:20 AM   #74 
     - My post deals with what you did NOT say.  Dr Fate   Oct-02-09 09:20 AM   #78 
  - Don't follow parties, follow principles  Liberty Lover   Oct-01-09 07:09 PM   #65 
  - And when Ron changes his principles from, say wanting govt to stay out of our lives  WatchWhatISay   Oct-02-09 12:34 AM   #67 
  - If that's the case, then we're screwed,  MadHound   Oct-02-09 05:38 AM   #69 
     - Yes! Well put.  ShortnFiery   Oct-02-09 05:47 AM   #71 

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