S_E_Fudd
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Wed Sep-30-09 09:11 AM
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First I don't think we are moving forward...maybe just moving backward slightly less rapidly...
Seems to me a committed minority can do more to halt the march to complete corporate control of the country than the timid and compliant majority we have now...
Hell the Republicans have only 40 members and they are in defacto control...
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| -It might suck, but the Democratic Party is the ONLY way forward |
CTLawGuy |
Sep-30-09 06:30 AM |
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Just use my little rationalization. |
whyverne |
Sep-30-09 06:46 AM |
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Only for the time being, and only because of the Supreme Court |
still_one |
Sep-30-09 06:50 AM |
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I agree with your last two paragraphs, but disagree completely on the first |
karynnj |
Sep-30-09 07:16 AM |
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Good points. My main emphasis was that things can change where a party may not |
still_one |
Sep-30-09 09:15 AM |
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You are correct. |
Enthusiast |
Oct-01-09 03:00 PM |
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I used to think so. Lately I am not too sure. |
freddie mertz |
Sep-30-09 06:55 AM |
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Then we are doomed. |
Warren Stupidity |
Sep-30-09 06:55 AM |
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I'm in the same place |
zipplewrath |
Sep-30-09 11:11 AM |
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When I was in college, a roomate told me I HAD to support the PTL club on tv |
Lerkfish |
Sep-30-09 07:04 AM |
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I'm beginning to think both parties are the same because |
Vinca |
Sep-30-09 07:12 AM |
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Electoral politics is not the answer - we're wasting our energy on it |
bread_and_roses |
Sep-30-09 07:20 AM |
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#4 only works if the DEM establishment actually supports the DEM nominee 100%. Not so with Lamont. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 12:09 PM |
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If They Can't Move The Ball Now, They Can't Move It Ever |
MannyGoldstein |
Sep-30-09 07:20 AM |
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Cept when they are going backwards, or spinning in a circle, or doing a circle jerk, etc. |
Oregone |
Sep-30-09 07:39 AM |
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You make some very good points. |
sybylla |
Sep-30-09 08:11 AM |
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Consider the alternative. |
iceman66 |
Sep-30-09 08:14 AM |
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Yeah, they have that built in protection. |
Enthusiast |
Oct-01-09 03:07 PM |
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That makes absolutely no sense. |
iceman66 |
Oct-01-09 06:31 PM |
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The world makes no sense |
Enthusiast |
Oct-02-09 05:00 AM |
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I don't think so... |
S_E_Fudd |
Sep-30-09 09:11 AM |
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a third party will never do anything but weaken either the dems or the repubs. untill we have a euro |
dionysus |
Sep-30-09 09:13 AM |
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Well the Dems are in power now. Let's see what they do about switching over to |
GreenPartyVoter |
Sep-30-09 11:57 AM |
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"(until it completely dies and has to be rebuilt from scratch.)" unfortunately that's what it would |
dionysus |
Sep-30-09 12:09 PM |
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True. Look where purist idealism got the Repukes |
treestar |
Sep-30-09 09:33 AM |
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I have to agree with you |
WeDidIt |
Sep-30-09 09:37 AM |
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There's a lot of truth to that... |
Orsino |
Sep-30-09 09:45 AM |
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The Democrats are going to have to earn my vote by being progressive. |
invictus |
Sep-30-09 11:28 AM |
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so you don't vote |
CTLawGuy |
Sep-30-09 10:00 PM |
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It makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside. |
BzaDem |
Oct-01-09 07:59 AM |
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Oh, so now DEMS NEED Liberals? Fine, then support them now, and we have nothing to worry about. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 11:55 AM |
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people have brought up Lamont/Lieberman |
CTLawGuy |
Sep-30-09 05:19 PM |
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That was me. So what recent primary examples should we look to as the template? |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 06:41 PM |
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well |
CTLawGuy |
Sep-30-09 09:53 PM |
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So you dont have an answer. Lamont/Lieberman is our template on how DEM primaires work.... |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 12:16 PM |
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where do you get this idea... |
CTLawGuy |
Oct-02-09 05:46 AM |
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You said that certain DEMS were "allowed" to support a conservative 3rd party. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-02-09 09:10 AM |
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let me ask you another question |
CTLawGuy |
Oct-01-09 06:27 AM |
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Shouldnt you answer my questions first? 2 of them went unanswered. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 12:09 PM |
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let me be clear |
CTLawGuy |
Oct-02-09 06:09 AM |
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Thanks. I'll happily answer your question: No. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-02-09 09:29 AM |
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Electing Democrats doesn't work. Electing Left-kind of Democrats is what we must do. |
IndianaGreen |
Sep-30-09 10:04 PM |
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+1 |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-30-09 10:21 PM |
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We elected Democratic Congress in 2006. and what was the first thing that happened? |
IndianaGreen |
Sep-30-09 10:27 PM |
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And on the other hand |
Inuca |
Oct-01-09 01:13 PM |
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Exactly. I wont give directly to the DNC or the DCC anymore- just good, solid individual DEMS |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 12:31 PM |
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Our problem is and always will be disproportionate representation in the Senate. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Oct-01-09 08:59 AM |
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THIS is something I have a major problem with |
Inuca |
Oct-01-09 01:24 PM |
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There's a reason they're called "states" and not provinces. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Oct-01-09 02:30 PM |
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Thanks for the bit of history |
Inuca |
Oct-01-09 03:12 PM |
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I agree. The reason the Repubs. are in lockstep all the time is because they are a small-tent party |
jenmito |
Oct-01-09 12:19 PM |
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Give me an example of the "vice versa"... |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 12:27 PM |
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Since I'm not a conservadem, I don't know what they'd consider |
jenmito |
Oct-01-09 12:30 PM |
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In that case, with all due respect, maybe you are wrong. There is no "vice versa" |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 12:35 PM |
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Well, the "may be" works both ways... |
jenmito |
Oct-01-09 12:39 PM |
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Fair enough- but I was asking for modern examples, not predictions for the future. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 12:43 PM |
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All of the examples you cited- |
jenmito |
Oct-01-09 12:52 PM |
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Going to Iraq, Bush's tax cuts, "off the table", etc refer to past examples, not works in progress. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 12:59 PM |
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So you're talking about BEFORE Obama became president? |
jenmito |
Oct-01-09 01:06 PM |
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I'm giving you recent, actual examples of Blue Dogs screwing us over, not predictions. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 02:45 PM |
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My post you first responded to said this: |
jenmito |
Oct-01-09 03:02 PM |
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Fair enough- you are predicting what might happen- and I'm telling you what did indeed happen. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 03:15 PM |
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Exactly |
LatteLibertine |
Oct-01-09 01:25 PM |
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Oh yeah, |
Enthusiast |
Oct-01-09 03:01 PM |
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So we're fucked! |
Umbral |
Oct-01-09 03:55 PM |
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We must take over the Democratic party from the centerists, |
old mark |
Oct-01-09 04:06 PM |
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LOL! I have a feeling the OP did not mean it quite that way. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 06:02 PM |
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I know what he is saying, but this is OUR party even if they need an |
old mark |
Oct-01-09 06:59 PM |
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I'm with ya. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 07:01 PM |
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then you didn't read the OP very closely |
CTLawGuy |
Oct-02-09 06:18 AM |
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I did, and you said nothing specific about removing "centrists" or moving the party leftward. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-02-09 09:17 AM |
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So your answer is to happily accept mediocrity? |
martymar64 |
Oct-01-09 06:33 PM |
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Fall in line behind the Joe Lieberman wing, then suck it up and hope for the best. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 07:15 PM |
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+ Infinity |
Dinger |
Oct-02-09 06:49 AM |
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please show |
CTLawGuy |
Oct-02-09 06:20 AM |
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My post deals with what you did NOT say. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-02-09 09:20 AM |
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Don't follow parties, follow principles |
Liberty Lover |
Oct-01-09 07:09 PM |
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And when Ron changes his principles from, say wanting govt to stay out of our lives |
WatchWhatISay |
Oct-02-09 12:34 AM |
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If that's the case, then we're screwed, |
MadHound |
Oct-02-09 05:38 AM |
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Yes! Well put. |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-02-09 05:47 AM |
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