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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 04:21 PM
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  -Could it have been different if Obama had exercised strong leadership? cali  Sep-29-09 03:51 PM   #0 
  - Once Again, How Does A President Constitutionally Bypass Congress?  TomCADem   Sep-29-09 03:53 PM   #1 
  - presidents coordinate with Congress to get legislation they want  cali   Sep-29-09 03:54 PM   #5 
  - You are assuming he hasn't done that.  iceman66   Sep-29-09 04:27 PM   #30 
  - I agree it's wrong to assume none.  Lord Helmet   Sep-29-09 04:49 PM   #41 
     - Actually, Lord Helmet, we DO know what went on behind the scenes and it involved a  bertman   Sep-29-09 06:30 PM   #60 
        - we're heard a lot of rumors  Lord Helmet   Sep-29-09 11:28 PM   #72 
           - The giveaway to Big Pharma is a fact, not a rumor. It was engineered by the administration  bertman   Sep-30-09 09:00 AM   #76 
  - actually the record for legislation that the President initiates and delivers to Congress  grantcart   Sep-29-09 04:50 PM   #42 
  - That's the problem  Abq_Sarah   Sep-29-09 03:55 PM   #7 
  - He had/has the Bully Pulpit.  GreenArrow   Sep-29-09 04:59 PM   #46 
  - ask George W. Bush. nt  LaydeeBug   Sep-29-09 06:03 PM   #57 
  - no. leading doesn't require that. it means kicking asses, schmoozing  roguevalley   Sep-30-09 02:39 PM   #84 
  - Could *WHAT* have been different? This is ONE committee's bill (out of 5)...  scheming daemons   Sep-29-09 03:54 PM   #2 
  - thank you  wyldwolf   Sep-29-09 03:55 PM   #6 
  - Lmao!!! I can't help it! Your reply was DEAD ON!!!  Fire1   Sep-29-09 04:04 PM   #14 
  - +50000000  Parker CA   Sep-29-09 04:21 PM   #23 
  - Which Senate bill has a real, universal Public Option?  jgraz   Sep-30-09 02:23 PM   #79 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-30-09 03:16 PM   #87 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-30-09 03:17 PM   #88 
  - "It won't change the reality of the situation." The reality of what: a committee vote?  ProSense   Sep-29-09 03:54 PM   #3 
  - Has He Signed Something Yet?  Beetwasher   Sep-29-09 03:54 PM   #4 
  - Jesuscherist on a parallel cross, how many times  Kaleko   Sep-29-09 06:19 PM   #59 
  - It didn't work when Clinton did it,  RoccoR5955   Sep-29-09 03:56 PM   #8 
  - Completely different dynamic today  depakid   Sep-29-09 04:19 PM   #21 
  - This was going to be tough no matter what  Thrill   Sep-29-09 03:57 PM   #9 
  - Exactly.  iceman66   Sep-29-09 05:55 PM   #55 
  - Last week he was making DLC deals and Rahm was selling us out  sandnsea   Sep-29-09 03:58 PM   #10 
  - I keep thinking... he coulda been the champ.  phantom power   Sep-29-09 03:58 PM   #11 
  - Nope, then the right would have made all sorts of charges.  tabatha   Sep-29-09 04:10 PM   #17 
  - they would, but... they're doing that anyway.  phantom power   Sep-29-09 04:19 PM   #20 
  - Yes, but they are baseless charges.  tabatha   Sep-29-09 05:36 PM   #51 
     - Presidents historically set the tone, and advocate agendas....  phantom power   Sep-29-09 06:00 PM   #56 
  - Thank God they didn't do that, and NOW we have their full support!  FormerDittoHead   Oct-06-09 11:19 AM   #98 
  - No, he could not have pulled it off.  iceman66   Sep-29-09 04:22 PM   #25 
     - I disagree. He could have gotten the votes.  phantom power   Sep-29-09 04:24 PM   #28 
        - What Senators do you think would have changed their positions?  iceman66   Sep-29-09 04:28 PM   #32 
           - Everyone one of them facing re-election in 2010  RJDem   Sep-29-09 04:56 PM   #45 
           - In other words, you can't name one.  iceman66   Sep-29-09 05:39 PM   #52 
           - But, isn't that part of what politics is supposed to be about?  phantom power   Sep-29-09 05:51 PM   #54 
              - There is nowhere near the necessary level of public support  iceman66   Sep-29-09 06:07 PM   #58 
  - Yes, it could have been different. (We didn't need that crappy pharma deal either). nt  polichick   Sep-29-09 03:59 PM   #12 
  - I sure don't see how it could have HURT. But Obama and leader are mutually exclusive terms.  katandmoon   Sep-29-09 04:03 PM   #13 
  - Leadership = Suspending Constituion and Bypassing Congress?  TomCADem   Sep-29-09 04:05 PM   #15 
  - Exactly, its another damn "leadership" complainer who has no clue what they even mean by it.  phleshdef   Sep-29-09 04:21 PM   #24 
  - Yeah, we really hated it when Bush did it but with Obama it should be okay.  Jennicut   Sep-29-09 09:11 PM   #66 
  - 4 of 5 committees have given him what he wants  SpartanDem   Sep-29-09 04:05 PM   #16 
  - This is the committee whose efforts he has been praising..  freddie mertz   Sep-29-09 04:20 PM   # 
  - He did exercise strong leadership  jeanpalmer   Sep-29-09 04:11 PM   #18 
  - LOL -- "something done"  RJDem   Sep-29-09 04:28 PM   #31 
     - Not only will it not reduce the cost of premiums  jeanpalmer   Sep-29-09 04:36 PM   #36 
  - We'll never know  depakid   Sep-29-09 04:16 PM   #19 
  - Yes, but he won't. It seems pleasing Chuck Grassley is more important  LittleBlue   Sep-29-09 04:20 PM   #22 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-29-09 04:23 PM   #26 
  - Oh goody - a siren call to all long-standing Obama detractors.  CakeGrrl   Sep-29-09 04:24 PM   #27 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-29-09 04:46 PM   #39 
  - LOL!! It's fly paper for the perpetually disgruntled.  Lord Helmet   Sep-29-09 04:51 PM   #44 
     - Yep. Their happy day is here.  BlooInBloo   Sep-29-09 05:00 PM   #48 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-29-09 05:01 PM   #49 
  - I guess writing it in the W.H., like Clinton did, would've been a better way to go?  Honeycombe8   Sep-29-09 04:26 PM   #29 
  - Since most don't know what strong leadership even means these days.....  FrenchieCat   Sep-29-09 04:31 PM   #33 
  - We would know it we saw it...  freddie mertz   Sep-29-09 08:15 PM   #62 
  - If we get no public option, then it will be a total party failure IMO  mvd   Sep-29-09 04:34 PM   #34 
  - It's a reasonable question...  ljm2002   Sep-29-09 04:36 PM   #35 
  - Yes, it's hard to tell for sure  mvd   Sep-29-09 04:48 PM   #40 
  - Did Pres. Obama really believe Reid was going to push it through the Senate?  DailyGrind51   Sep-29-09 04:42 PM   #37 
  - Yes, it could have been much different. This "pragmatism" is seriously LAME and GUTLESS. eom  ShortnFiery   Sep-29-09 04:44 PM   #38 
  - dele.  rvablue   Sep-29-09 04:50 PM   #43 
  - Pistols at Dawn? What? Really.  jberryhill   Sep-29-09 04:59 PM   #47 
  - your tendency is toward cynicism. many times you are disproven.  Aramchek   Sep-29-09 05:03 PM   #50 
  - yeah, you know me so well. you've been here for all of 3 months.  cali   Sep-30-09 02:36 PM   #83 
  - strong leadership?  dave29   Sep-29-09 05:50 PM   #53 
  - Yes it would have been very different. We  Autumn   Sep-29-09 08:05 PM   #61 
  - You don't shove anything through Congress...unless you are Bush  Jennicut   Sep-29-09 09:10 PM   #65 
     - Like you said , it is one committee.  Autumn   Sep-29-09 09:16 PM   #67 
     - Arm twist them with what?  Jennicut   Sep-29-09 09:22 PM   #69 
        - Instead of honoring Baucus's  Autumn   Sep-29-09 09:52 PM   #71 
     - Continue to "believe" but this is an example of piss poor leadership on Obama's part.  ShortnFiery   Sep-30-09 12:37 AM   #75 
  - Folks like you are never happy  MadMaddie   Sep-29-09 08:22 PM   #63 
  - what a not nice thing to say. "folks like you" "never happy" what  Laura PourMeADrink   Sep-29-09 09:26 PM   #70 
  - Your subject line asked the question  MadMaddie   Sep-30-09 12:33 AM   #74 
  - wrong. and simplistic as well.  cali   Sep-30-09 02:34 PM   #82 
     - Cali sometimes simplistic is the answer  MadMaddie   Sep-30-09 09:23 PM   #90 
  - Yes  Armstead   Sep-29-09 08:55 PM   #64 
  - I agree. If we can learn from history - Hillary's try at it. IMHO, O  Laura PourMeADrink   Sep-29-09 09:20 PM   #68 
  - They'd have done that regardless.  nemo137   Sep-30-09 03:11 PM   #85 
     - you are right - but there's no way I believe it would have been as  Laura PourMeADrink   Sep-30-09 06:22 PM   #89 
  - Blanche Lincoln is up for re-election. Will Obama support her?  rmp yellow   Sep-29-09 11:31 PM   #73 
  - Yup, he gets to look "presidential" blow air kisses to Progressives  PHIMG   Sep-30-09 11:12 AM   #77 
  - totally agree.  nashville_brook   Sep-30-09 02:20 PM   #78 
  - Seems to me the Dem Congress has moved along this issue  dmr   Sep-30-09 02:28 PM   #80 
  - some startling points in this article by Glenn Greenwald:  inna   Sep-30-09 02:32 PM   #81 
  - I'm unclear on what he should be doing differently overall  TheKentuckian   Sep-30-09 03:11 PM   #86 
  - Healthcare is an issue  jeanpalmer   Sep-30-09 09:49 PM   #91 
  - Agreed. People forget that the Democratic Party was virtually on life  Midwestern Democrat   Oct-06-09 10:32 AM   #97 
  - Oh, more name calling.  boppers   Sep-30-09 09:50 PM   #92 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-05-09 11:59 PM   #93 
  - So lame!  firedupdem   Oct-06-09 12:01 AM   #94 
  - CHICKEN CHICKEN CHICKEN!  boppers   Oct-06-09 12:03 AM   #95 
  - Short, sweet and fucking true.  asdjrocky   Oct-06-09 12:21 AM   #96 
  - I think it could have been a whole lot different=It could have been  joeycola   Oct-06-09 12:13 PM   #99 
 

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