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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-30-09 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #144
146. There is no bill to twist arms on yet
Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 09:33 PM by Thrill
believe me, we will all know how strongly Obama feels about this stuff when the time comes for conference committee. Thats when the administration's hands will be all over it. It will be squarely on them then. Not dabbling in committee amendments.
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  -Why didn't Obama come out and support the Schumer and Rockefeller Amendments? saracat  Sep-29-09 03:26 PM   #0 
  - Please remember these amendments were tied to Baucus's bill.  Avalux   Sep-29-09 03:28 PM   #1 
  - Seems to me there are three possible explanations  freddie mertz   Sep-29-09 03:29 PM   #2 
  - I suspect your reasons are close.  saracat   Sep-29-09 03:30 PM   #3 
  - Maybe the first post listed in this thread?! n/t  vaberella   Sep-29-09 08:53 PM   #94 
  - For the same reasons that wrestling with pigs is usually inadvisable.  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-30-09 12:45 PM   #110 
  - How about this: Political cover.  demwing   Oct-01-09 03:41 PM   #157 
  - Why should he? This is just a committee vote. This Bill is no more important  Thrill   Sep-29-09 03:30 PM   #4 
  - Actually this is VERY important  freddie mertz   Sep-29-09 03:37 PM   #8 
  - The result on the Schumer amendment was that it got 10 out of the 23 votes  karynnj   Sep-29-09 03:47 PM   #25 
  - Obama just wants a bill out of this damn committee.  Thrill   Sep-29-09 03:47 PM   #26 
     - Agreed.  Undercurrent   Sep-29-09 08:16 PM   #88 
  - And that is the reason he has never made a statement that any bill without a  saracat   Sep-29-09 03:38 PM   #10 
     - Because he does not want to make that kind of statement as there good be  karynnj   Sep-29-09 03:55 PM   #36 
     - Why do we even have to argue about "good enough'  saracat   Sep-29-09 03:59 PM   #38 
        - Because we still need the votes  karynnj   Sep-29-09 04:04 PM   #40 
           - I think they might. But I certainly don't know.I would expect this stament of any Democratic  saracat   Sep-29-09 04:11 PM   #44 
              - Actually, Presidents who are savvy have found the common ground  karynnj   Sep-29-09 04:16 PM   #48 
                 - Dean has said he would never support a bill without a solid Public Option.  saracat   Sep-29-09 04:20 PM   #49 
                    - There is a difference between a Senator and a President in that it is rare  karynnj   Sep-29-09 04:33 PM   #52 
                       - I have a preexisitng condition and my insurance is ridiculous  saracat   Sep-29-09 05:07 PM   #58 
                          - What would you as President or Senator do to get the votes  karynnj   Sep-29-09 05:18 PM   #59 
                             - I would blackmail them I had to or bribe them. That is what FDR and LBJ did.  saracat   Sep-29-09 05:22 PM   #60 
                                - self delete  CTLawGuy   Sep-29-09 08:11 PM   #87 
                                - Just by that statement I thank God and all that is powerful in this world that you are not Pres.  vaberella   Sep-29-09 08:59 PM   #95 
                                - Believe me ,I am not the one that doesn't know how things are done.  saracat   Sep-30-09 12:09 AM   #100 
                                - She wants an LBJ or FDR for the left, not a Bush. n/t  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 06:01 PM   #137 
                                - I'll bet they do this when it comes time to find support for wars based on lies.  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 06:00 PM   #136 
     - "I will not sign any bill without a strong public option" -President Obama  tridim   Sep-30-09 12:10 PM   #106 
     - Because he will sign whatever bill congress passes.  lumberjack_jeff   Sep-30-09 12:47 PM   #112 
  - Let me guess, ...  ShortnFiery   Sep-29-09 03:32 PM   #5 
  - He will  larryhorse   Sep-29-09 03:33 PM   #6 
  - Um... he doesn't go to Denmark until Thursday evening....  scheming daemons   Sep-29-09 03:37 PM   #9 
  - He's not in Denmark.  Pirate Smile   Sep-29-09 03:42 PM   #19 
  - It's a COMMITTEE vote... not a senate vote.... 4 out of 5 committee bills HAVE a PO  scheming daemons   Sep-29-09 03:36 PM   #7 
  - WHY doesn't he say he will NOT support a bill without the Public Option?  saracat   Sep-29-09 03:39 PM   #12 
  - Because he will support a bill without a strong public option  Better Believe It   Sep-29-09 03:49 PM   #27 
  - amen  placton   Sep-29-09 07:34 PM   #85 
  - He already has.  Baltoman991   Sep-29-09 03:53 PM   #35 
  - Where is the link to that?  harkadog   Sep-29-09 04:06 PM   #41 
     - You know how  Baltoman991   Sep-29-09 04:15 PM   #47 
  - Have you ignored his interviews and speeches?  vaberella   Sep-29-09 09:03 PM   #96 
  - Thank you. LOL @ at the idea of a President lobbying for a committee ammendment  DrToast   Sep-29-09 03:39 PM   #13 
     - My point is, he hasn't "lobbied" for a real Public Option.  saracat   Sep-29-09 03:42 PM   #18 
        - I think the ultimate point of this thread is that you can't stand Obama  Cali_Democrat   Sep-29-09 03:45 PM   #22 
        - Can't answer the question so resort to nname calling? Why hasn't the  saracat   Sep-29-09 03:49 PM   #28 
        - What name did the poster call you?  scheming daemons   Sep-29-09 03:51 PM   #31 
        - Because he would prefer not to say something where he could be caught in a trap  karynnj   Sep-29-09 03:59 PM   #37 
        - why are you even here? you practically bragged about not voting for him.  dionysus   Sep-30-09 02:30 PM   #119 
        - Tiresome cliche: Hold Obama's feet to the fire = "You just don't like Obama."  brentspeak   Sep-29-09 05:06 PM   #57 
           - projection at it's finest.  dionysus   Sep-30-09 02:30 PM   #121 
        - Same crap with you every time. The OP isn't an innocent question  ProSense   Sep-29-09 03:49 PM   #29 
        - Wishy washy just "includes it"He has never said he would veto  saracat   Sep-29-09 04:04 PM   #39 
           - "He has NEVER said a bill not containing it would be unacceoptable"  ProSense   Sep-29-09 04:34 PM   #53 
        - He hasn't said he wouldn't either...  scheming daemons   Sep-29-09 03:51 PM   #32 
  - Because he has came out in support of what those amendments are trying to achieve a THOUSAND TIMES!!  phleshdef   Sep-29-09 03:39 PM   #11 
  - Actually he hasn't.he has called the PO "desirable but only one tool."  saracat   Sep-29-09 03:40 PM   #15 
     - Supporting those amendments wouldn't be "drawing a line in the sand". Nice try though.  phleshdef   Sep-29-09 04:26 PM   #51 
     - Even worse, when questioned by the Teabagger crowd, he was  truedelphi   Sep-30-09 05:45 PM   #135 
  - There are other bills that are better...why should he support the Baucus bill?  Cali_Democrat   Sep-29-09 03:40 PM   #14 
  - +1  depakid   Sep-29-09 03:46 PM   #24 
  - I agree, but Obama has also not spoken out against any of thosed provisions.  saracat   Sep-29-09 03:53 PM   #34 
  - He came out in favor of the public option - there was no need to tell the Senators  karynnj   Sep-29-09 03:41 PM   #16 
  - Howard Dean has said that the Baucus bill is the worst piece  cali   Sep-29-09 03:42 PM   #17 
  - Actually it is similar to the others , minus any form of a PO. Howard was mostly  saracat   Sep-29-09 03:45 PM   #21 
  - Why did LBJ spend the months right before the  truedelphi   Sep-29-09 03:43 PM   #20 
  - I agree that if he wanted it, he would have seen to it. Some thing is wrong here.  saracat   Sep-29-09 03:46 PM   #23 
     - "Some thing is wrong here." Yes, the OP is more disingenuous crap  ProSense   Sep-29-09 03:50 PM   #30 
     - Wishy washy. . Public Option isn't even stressed, just "included"  saracat   Sep-29-09 04:07 PM   #42 
        - The situation with the Baucus committee is truly a bad one  truedelphi   Sep-29-09 04:11 PM   #43 
        - And the WH is silent. Emmanuel undoubtely loved the Bachus Bill.  saracat   Sep-29-09 04:12 PM   #45 
           - Actually Rahm took an elevator into the lowest bowels of the WH  truedelphi   Sep-29-09 04:25 PM   #50 
        - It isn't wishy washy. You're just still in bitterville. n/t  ProSense   Sep-29-09 04:34 PM   #54 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-29-09 05:01 PM   #55 
     - JFK/LBJ Took Five Years To Past Medicare  TomCADem   Sep-29-09 03:52 PM   #33 
        - Point noted. But the fact remains that in the months leading up  truedelphi   Sep-29-09 04:14 PM   #46 
           - Actually, Medicare WAS A Huge Compromise From Truman's Dream Of Universal Care  TomCADem   Sep-29-09 06:49 PM   #67 
  - Answer: Obama has only been giving lip service to a real public option  brentspeak   Sep-29-09 05:03 PM   #56 
  - I was wondering why no one was responding to your points and then I realized  stevenleser   Sep-30-09 12:17 PM   #107 
     - ROFL  dionysus   Sep-30-09 12:46 PM   #111 
        - LOL, thanks  stevenleser   Sep-30-09 02:28 PM   #117 
           - they had a big bowl of trollios for breakfast today, fer sure.  dionysus   Sep-30-09 02:28 PM   #118 
  - Remember the plan: Get this bill out of committee.  backscatter712   Sep-29-09 05:23 PM   #61 
  - Excellent post.  harun   Sep-30-09 11:05 AM   #102 
  - Why didn't you post this on that other site?  DevonRex   Sep-29-09 06:28 PM   #62 
  - what a stupid and f*cked up thing to say.  inna   Sep-29-09 06:42 PM   #65 
  - Aw. You hurt my feelings. Not. I spoke the truth. She only comes around to bash.  DevonRex   Sep-29-09 07:11 PM   #73 
     - Oh please. Have you ever critiques ANYTHING Obama has done? Is everything perfect to you?  saracat   Sep-29-09 08:23 PM   #90 
        - At least you're admitting that you never like anything Obama does. That's a start.  DevonRex   Sep-30-09 11:37 AM   #103 
           - +1 people wonder why they are received that way, when they freely admit they didn't vote for him.  dionysus   Sep-30-09 03:08 PM   #123 
           - I DID vote for Obama in the General. I did NOT vote for him in the Primary.  saracat   Sep-30-09 03:15 PM   #126 
              - if you say so, i recall differently.  dionysus   Sep-30-09 03:23 PM   #127 
                 - During the Primary, which apparently some refuse to put behind them, I said I would have difficulty  saracat   Sep-30-09 03:27 PM   #128 
           - You have no idea. I would put my political resume up against yours anyday.  saracat   Sep-30-09 03:11 PM   #124 
  - And apparently you only come around to praise and defend him, not to ever discuss the issues.  saracat   Sep-29-09 08:27 PM   #91 
  - Because he's going to sit down with Dodd, Reid, and Baucus  geek tragedy   Sep-30-09 12:06 PM   #105 
  - Chess  Kurt_and_Hunter   Sep-29-09 06:36 PM   #63 
  - Dangerous Questions = Unrec Squad  Moochy   Sep-29-09 06:41 PM   #64 
  - Disingenuous question = Crawling out of the woodwork.  ProSense   Sep-29-09 06:43 PM   #66 
     - Hey look its the Uncrec Squad Leader  Moochy   Sep-29-09 07:00 PM   #69 
        - Thanks for the compliment. Better to be a leader than a bitter follower. n/t  ProSense   Sep-29-09 07:22 PM   #79 
           - Yep. And the bitter followers are just following other bitter people  DevonRex   Sep-29-09 07:23 PM   #80 
           - Bitter Follower? it is to laugh.  Moochy   Sep-29-09 08:04 PM   #86 
              - "Typical of a bullyboy thug like you to take an insult as a compliment."  ProSense   Sep-29-09 08:16 PM   #89 
  - Probably because he, like most of us knew that a public option  Phx_Dem   Sep-29-09 06:55 PM   #68 
  - I want to slap my head against the keyboard. What part of Blue Dog Finance committee  Jennicut   Sep-29-09 09:18 PM   #98 
     - I know. Baucus, Conrad, Nelson, Lincoln . . .  Phx_Dem   Sep-29-09 09:41 PM   #99 
  - You were never one  BootinUp   Sep-29-09 07:04 PM   #70 
  - Why didn't you come out and support Obama-EVER? n/t  jenmito   Sep-29-09 07:04 PM   #71 
  - The right answer is that she hates his guts.  DevonRex   Sep-29-09 07:14 PM   #74 
  - I know...  jenmito   Sep-29-09 07:25 PM   #81 
     - Heh. And a couple more are outing themselves here, too.  DevonRex   Sep-29-09 07:27 PM   #82 
        - I noticed...  jenmito   Sep-29-09 07:34 PM   #84 
  - Yes. I voted for him and actually handed out campaign lit and buttons and walked for him.  saracat   Sep-29-09 08:41 PM   #93 
  - Don't know why Obama would.  bigwillq   Sep-29-09 07:07 PM   #72 
  - Don't rain on saracat's bash Obama parade.  DevonRex   Sep-29-09 07:15 PM   #75 
  - I just try to be fair.  bigwillq   Sep-29-09 07:17 PM   #76 
     - You're just fine by me.  DevonRex   Sep-29-09 07:20 PM   #78 
  - Thanks for a decent argument. But I still say I would like to see Obama take a real stand.  saracat   Sep-29-09 08:35 PM   #92 
     - I am a huge proponent of the public option  bigwillq   Sep-30-09 08:19 AM   #101 
        - You are exactly right. That is why I hope he takes a huge stand NOW. I heard that he has some  saracat   Sep-30-09 01:51 PM   #113 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-29-09 07:17 PM   #77 
  - keeping his powder dry  placton   Sep-29-09 07:31 PM   #83 
  - He made a deal with PhRMA chief Bill Tauzin  IndianaGreen   Sep-29-09 09:13 PM   #97 
  - And he wants a bill, not necessarily a certain bill. His speech before Congress...  polichick   Sep-30-09 11:46 AM   #104 
     - That is exactly what he did say.And that is what my fears are based on.  saracat   Sep-30-09 01:55 PM   #114 
     - Jay Rockefeller said that passing any bill is not what he wants  IndianaGreen   Sep-30-09 05:45 PM   #134 
  - Good question, upon considering it seriously, here's my best guess....  Better Today   Sep-30-09 12:18 PM   #108 
  - And that is an interesting possibility.I think the issue is likely  saracat   Sep-30-09 01:58 PM   #115 
  - Obama is a chess player.  invictus   Sep-30-09 12:20 PM   #109 
  - I don't really think it was the appropriate time in the process  TheKentuckian   Sep-30-09 02:08 PM   #116 
  - Since when do Presidents weigh in on Committee amendments?  Thrill   Sep-30-09 02:30 PM   #120 
  - When they either agree or disagree with them?  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 02:36 PM   #122 
  - If this was an amendment on the Senate floor is one thing.  Thrill   Sep-30-09 03:27 PM   #129 
  - It may be nonsense to you, but not to the average voter.  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 05:41 PM   #132 
     - The average voter doesn't even know what a "committee vote" is  Marsala   Sep-30-09 06:16 PM   #138 
        - But the average voter might understand: "I agree with Rockefeller on the public option"  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 06:30 PM   #139 
           - Its not the time. If its on the Senate floor the President may weigh  Thrill   Sep-30-09 08:36 PM   #142 
              - Most voters disagree with you. They would love to know more about where Obama stands.  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 08:43 PM   #143 
                 - ITS A COMMITTEE AMENDMENT  Thrill   Sep-30-09 09:24 PM   #145 
                    - What are you so damned afraid of? Voters having knowledge, perhaps?  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 09:32 PM   #147 
                       - Yeah Obama should be the only President to  Thrill   Sep-30-09 10:07 PM   #151 
                          - Obama would be the 1st President in History to state an opinion on a major issue?  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 11:49 AM   #152 
                             - More on why voters want to know (Link included)  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 03:27 PM   #156 
  - + 1. n/t  truedelphi   Sep-30-09 05:39 PM   #131 
  - They don't. It's beyond ludicrous to think that Obama is going to start  ProSense   Sep-30-09 03:12 PM   #125 
     - It's ludicrous for Obama to tell us which Senators he agrees with...  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 05:42 PM   #133 
        - Some think it is "ludicrous" for Obama to have to take a stand on anything!  saracat   Sep-30-09 06:39 PM   #140 
           - But not the average voter. The average voter would be fine knowing if he supports Rockefeller or not  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 06:48 PM   #141 
  - Maybe he did. nt  Deep13   Sep-30-09 03:41 PM   #130 
  - Because he doesn't support it  jeanpalmer   Sep-30-09 09:00 PM   #144 
  - There is no bill to twist arms on yet  Thrill   Sep-30-09 09:29 PM   #146 
  - At that point, a strong public option might be out of play.  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 09:37 PM   #149 
     - You're the one that doesn't get it. The public option is  Thrill   Sep-30-09 10:05 PM   #150 
        - Wrong-You mean "a" Public Option. Not the exact version Rockefeller presents.  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 11:54 AM   #153 
  - I have no choice but to guess- and that is my guess as well. n/t  Dr Fate   Sep-30-09 09:34 PM   #148 
  - I am beginning to wonder if he even wants a public option at this point.  joeycola   Oct-01-09 12:38 PM   #154 
  - Since it seems to be a "keep the base guessing" strategy- you have every right to wonder or guess.  Dr Fate   Oct-01-09 12:48 PM   #155 
     - Bingo. His manta seems to be 'safe'!!  joeycola   Oct-01-09 04:38 PM   #158 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-05-09 11:55 PM   #159 
  - Kick.  David Zephyr   Oct-05-09 11:59 PM   #160 

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