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Wed Sep-30-09 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #144 |
| 146. There is no bill to twist arms on yet |
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Edited on Wed Sep-30-09 09:33 PM by Thrill
believe me, we will all know how strongly Obama feels about this stuff when the time comes for conference committee. Thats when the administration's hands will be all over it. It will be squarely on them then. Not dabbling in committee amendments.
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| -Why didn't Obama come out and support the Schumer and Rockefeller Amendments? |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 03:26 PM |
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Please remember these amendments were tied to Baucus's bill. |
Avalux |
Sep-29-09 03:28 PM |
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Seems to me there are three possible explanations |
freddie mertz |
Sep-29-09 03:29 PM |
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I suspect your reasons are close. |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 03:30 PM |
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Maybe the first post listed in this thread?! n/t |
vaberella |
Sep-29-09 08:53 PM |
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For the same reasons that wrestling with pigs is usually inadvisable. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-30-09 12:45 PM |
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How about this: Political cover. |
demwing |
Oct-01-09 03:41 PM |
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Why should he? This is just a committee vote. This Bill is no more important |
Thrill |
Sep-29-09 03:30 PM |
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Actually this is VERY important |
freddie mertz |
Sep-29-09 03:37 PM |
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The result on the Schumer amendment was that it got 10 out of the 23 votes |
karynnj |
Sep-29-09 03:47 PM |
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Obama just wants a bill out of this damn committee. |
Thrill |
Sep-29-09 03:47 PM |
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Agreed. |
Undercurrent |
Sep-29-09 08:16 PM |
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And that is the reason he has never made a statement that any bill without a |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 03:38 PM |
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Because he does not want to make that kind of statement as there good be |
karynnj |
Sep-29-09 03:55 PM |
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Why do we even have to argue about "good enough' |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 03:59 PM |
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Because we still need the votes |
karynnj |
Sep-29-09 04:04 PM |
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I think they might. But I certainly don't know.I would expect this stament of any Democratic |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 04:11 PM |
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Actually, Presidents who are savvy have found the common ground |
karynnj |
Sep-29-09 04:16 PM |
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Dean has said he would never support a bill without a solid Public Option. |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 04:20 PM |
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There is a difference between a Senator and a President in that it is rare |
karynnj |
Sep-29-09 04:33 PM |
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I have a preexisitng condition and my insurance is ridiculous |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 05:07 PM |
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What would you as President or Senator do to get the votes |
karynnj |
Sep-29-09 05:18 PM |
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I would blackmail them I had to or bribe them. That is what FDR and LBJ did. |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 05:22 PM |
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self delete |
CTLawGuy |
Sep-29-09 08:11 PM |
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Just by that statement I thank God and all that is powerful in this world that you are not Pres. |
vaberella |
Sep-29-09 08:59 PM |
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Believe me ,I am not the one that doesn't know how things are done. |
saracat |
Sep-30-09 12:09 AM |
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She wants an LBJ or FDR for the left, not a Bush. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 06:01 PM |
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I'll bet they do this when it comes time to find support for wars based on lies. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 06:00 PM |
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"I will not sign any bill without a strong public option" -President Obama |
tridim |
Sep-30-09 12:10 PM |
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Because he will sign whatever bill congress passes. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Sep-30-09 12:47 PM |
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Let me guess, ... |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-29-09 03:32 PM |
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He will |
larryhorse |
Sep-29-09 03:33 PM |
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Um... he doesn't go to Denmark until Thursday evening.... |
scheming daemons |
Sep-29-09 03:37 PM |
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He's not in Denmark. |
Pirate Smile |
Sep-29-09 03:42 PM |
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It's a COMMITTEE vote... not a senate vote.... 4 out of 5 committee bills HAVE a PO |
scheming daemons |
Sep-29-09 03:36 PM |
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WHY doesn't he say he will NOT support a bill without the Public Option? |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 03:39 PM |
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Because he will support a bill without a strong public option |
Better Believe It |
Sep-29-09 03:49 PM |
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amen |
placton |
Sep-29-09 07:34 PM |
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He already has. |
Baltoman991 |
Sep-29-09 03:53 PM |
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Where is the link to that? |
harkadog |
Sep-29-09 04:06 PM |
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You know how |
Baltoman991 |
Sep-29-09 04:15 PM |
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Have you ignored his interviews and speeches? |
vaberella |
Sep-29-09 09:03 PM |
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Thank you. LOL @ at the idea of a President lobbying for a committee ammendment |
DrToast |
Sep-29-09 03:39 PM |
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My point is, he hasn't "lobbied" for a real Public Option. |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 03:42 PM |
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I think the ultimate point of this thread is that you can't stand Obama |
Cali_Democrat |
Sep-29-09 03:45 PM |
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Can't answer the question so resort to nname calling? Why hasn't the |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 03:49 PM |
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What name did the poster call you? |
scheming daemons |
Sep-29-09 03:51 PM |
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Because he would prefer not to say something where he could be caught in a trap |
karynnj |
Sep-29-09 03:59 PM |
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why are you even here? you practically bragged about not voting for him. |
dionysus |
Sep-30-09 02:30 PM |
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Tiresome cliche: Hold Obama's feet to the fire = "You just don't like Obama." |
brentspeak |
Sep-29-09 05:06 PM |
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projection at it's finest. |
dionysus |
Sep-30-09 02:30 PM |
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Same crap with you every time. The OP isn't an innocent question |
ProSense |
Sep-29-09 03:49 PM |
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Wishy washy just "includes it"He has never said he would veto |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 04:04 PM |
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"He has NEVER said a bill not containing it would be unacceoptable" |
ProSense |
Sep-29-09 04:34 PM |
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He hasn't said he wouldn't either... |
scheming daemons |
Sep-29-09 03:51 PM |
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Because he has came out in support of what those amendments are trying to achieve a THOUSAND TIMES!! |
phleshdef |
Sep-29-09 03:39 PM |
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Actually he hasn't.he has called the PO "desirable but only one tool." |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 03:40 PM |
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Supporting those amendments wouldn't be "drawing a line in the sand". Nice try though. |
phleshdef |
Sep-29-09 04:26 PM |
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Even worse, when questioned by the Teabagger crowd, he was |
truedelphi |
Sep-30-09 05:45 PM |
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There are other bills that are better...why should he support the Baucus bill? |
Cali_Democrat |
Sep-29-09 03:40 PM |
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+1 |
depakid |
Sep-29-09 03:46 PM |
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I agree, but Obama has also not spoken out against any of thosed provisions. |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 03:53 PM |
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He came out in favor of the public option - there was no need to tell the Senators |
karynnj |
Sep-29-09 03:41 PM |
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Howard Dean has said that the Baucus bill is the worst piece |
cali |
Sep-29-09 03:42 PM |
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Actually it is similar to the others , minus any form of a PO. Howard was mostly |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 03:45 PM |
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Why did LBJ spend the months right before the |
truedelphi |
Sep-29-09 03:43 PM |
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I agree that if he wanted it, he would have seen to it. Some thing is wrong here. |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 03:46 PM |
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"Some thing is wrong here." Yes, the OP is more disingenuous crap |
ProSense |
Sep-29-09 03:50 PM |
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Wishy washy. . Public Option isn't even stressed, just "included" |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 04:07 PM |
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The situation with the Baucus committee is truly a bad one |
truedelphi |
Sep-29-09 04:11 PM |
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And the WH is silent. Emmanuel undoubtely loved the Bachus Bill. |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 04:12 PM |
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Actually Rahm took an elevator into the lowest bowels of the WH |
truedelphi |
Sep-29-09 04:25 PM |
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It isn't wishy washy. You're just still in bitterville. n/t |
ProSense |
Sep-29-09 04:34 PM |
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Name removed |
Sep-29-09 05:01 PM |
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JFK/LBJ Took Five Years To Past Medicare |
TomCADem |
Sep-29-09 03:52 PM |
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Point noted. But the fact remains that in the months leading up |
truedelphi |
Sep-29-09 04:14 PM |
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Actually, Medicare WAS A Huge Compromise From Truman's Dream Of Universal Care |
TomCADem |
Sep-29-09 06:49 PM |
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Answer: Obama has only been giving lip service to a real public option |
brentspeak |
Sep-29-09 05:03 PM |
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I was wondering why no one was responding to your points and then I realized |
stevenleser |
Sep-30-09 12:17 PM |
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ROFL |
dionysus |
Sep-30-09 12:46 PM |
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LOL, thanks |
stevenleser |
Sep-30-09 02:28 PM |
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they had a big bowl of trollios for breakfast today, fer sure. |
dionysus |
Sep-30-09 02:28 PM |
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Remember the plan: Get this bill out of committee. |
backscatter712 |
Sep-29-09 05:23 PM |
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Excellent post. |
harun |
Sep-30-09 11:05 AM |
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Why didn't you post this on that other site? |
DevonRex |
Sep-29-09 06:28 PM |
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what a stupid and f*cked up thing to say. |
inna |
Sep-29-09 06:42 PM |
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Aw. You hurt my feelings. Not. I spoke the truth. She only comes around to bash. |
DevonRex |
Sep-29-09 07:11 PM |
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Oh please. Have you ever critiques ANYTHING Obama has done? Is everything perfect to you? |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 08:23 PM |
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At least you're admitting that you never like anything Obama does. That's a start. |
DevonRex |
Sep-30-09 11:37 AM |
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+1 people wonder why they are received that way, when they freely admit they didn't vote for him. |
dionysus |
Sep-30-09 03:08 PM |
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I DID vote for Obama in the General. I did NOT vote for him in the Primary. |
saracat |
Sep-30-09 03:15 PM |
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if you say so, i recall differently. |
dionysus |
Sep-30-09 03:23 PM |
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During the Primary, which apparently some refuse to put behind them, I said I would have difficulty |
saracat |
Sep-30-09 03:27 PM |
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You have no idea. I would put my political resume up against yours anyday. |
saracat |
Sep-30-09 03:11 PM |
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And apparently you only come around to praise and defend him, not to ever discuss the issues. |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 08:27 PM |
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Because he's going to sit down with Dodd, Reid, and Baucus |
geek tragedy |
Sep-30-09 12:06 PM |
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Chess |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Sep-29-09 06:36 PM |
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Dangerous Questions = Unrec Squad |
Moochy |
Sep-29-09 06:41 PM |
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Disingenuous question = Crawling out of the woodwork. |
ProSense |
Sep-29-09 06:43 PM |
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Hey look its the Uncrec Squad Leader |
Moochy |
Sep-29-09 07:00 PM |
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Thanks for the compliment. Better to be a leader than a bitter follower. n/t |
ProSense |
Sep-29-09 07:22 PM |
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Yep. And the bitter followers are just following other bitter people |
DevonRex |
Sep-29-09 07:23 PM |
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Bitter Follower? it is to laugh. |
Moochy |
Sep-29-09 08:04 PM |
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"Typical of a bullyboy thug like you to take an insult as a compliment." |
ProSense |
Sep-29-09 08:16 PM |
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Probably because he, like most of us knew that a public option |
Phx_Dem |
Sep-29-09 06:55 PM |
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I want to slap my head against the keyboard. What part of Blue Dog Finance committee |
Jennicut |
Sep-29-09 09:18 PM |
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I know. Baucus, Conrad, Nelson, Lincoln . . . |
Phx_Dem |
Sep-29-09 09:41 PM |
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You were never one |
BootinUp |
Sep-29-09 07:04 PM |
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Why didn't you come out and support Obama-EVER? n/t |
jenmito |
Sep-29-09 07:04 PM |
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The right answer is that she hates his guts. |
DevonRex |
Sep-29-09 07:14 PM |
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I know... |
jenmito |
Sep-29-09 07:25 PM |
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Heh. And a couple more are outing themselves here, too. |
DevonRex |
Sep-29-09 07:27 PM |
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I noticed... |
jenmito |
Sep-29-09 07:34 PM |
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Yes. I voted for him and actually handed out campaign lit and buttons and walked for him. |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 08:41 PM |
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Don't know why Obama would. |
bigwillq |
Sep-29-09 07:07 PM |
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Don't rain on saracat's bash Obama parade. |
DevonRex |
Sep-29-09 07:15 PM |
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I just try to be fair. |
bigwillq |
Sep-29-09 07:17 PM |
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You're just fine by me. |
DevonRex |
Sep-29-09 07:20 PM |
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Thanks for a decent argument. But I still say I would like to see Obama take a real stand. |
saracat |
Sep-29-09 08:35 PM |
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I am a huge proponent of the public option |
bigwillq |
Sep-30-09 08:19 AM |
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You are exactly right. That is why I hope he takes a huge stand NOW. I heard that he has some |
saracat |
Sep-30-09 01:51 PM |
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Name removed |
Sep-29-09 07:17 PM |
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keeping his powder dry |
placton |
Sep-29-09 07:31 PM |
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He made a deal with PhRMA chief Bill Tauzin |
IndianaGreen |
Sep-29-09 09:13 PM |
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And he wants a bill, not necessarily a certain bill. His speech before Congress... |
polichick |
Sep-30-09 11:46 AM |
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That is exactly what he did say.And that is what my fears are based on. |
saracat |
Sep-30-09 01:55 PM |
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Jay Rockefeller said that passing any bill is not what he wants |
IndianaGreen |
Sep-30-09 05:45 PM |
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Good question, upon considering it seriously, here's my best guess.... |
Better Today |
Sep-30-09 12:18 PM |
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And that is an interesting possibility.I think the issue is likely |
saracat |
Sep-30-09 01:58 PM |
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Obama is a chess player. |
invictus |
Sep-30-09 12:20 PM |
#109 |
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I don't really think it was the appropriate time in the process |
TheKentuckian |
Sep-30-09 02:08 PM |
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Since when do Presidents weigh in on Committee amendments? |
Thrill |
Sep-30-09 02:30 PM |
#120 |
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When they either agree or disagree with them? |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 02:36 PM |
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If this was an amendment on the Senate floor is one thing. |
Thrill |
Sep-30-09 03:27 PM |
#129 |
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It may be nonsense to you, but not to the average voter. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 05:41 PM |
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The average voter doesn't even know what a "committee vote" is |
Marsala |
Sep-30-09 06:16 PM |
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But the average voter might understand: "I agree with Rockefeller on the public option" |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 06:30 PM |
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Its not the time. If its on the Senate floor the President may weigh |
Thrill |
Sep-30-09 08:36 PM |
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Most voters disagree with you. They would love to know more about where Obama stands. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 08:43 PM |
#143 |
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ITS A COMMITTEE AMENDMENT |
Thrill |
Sep-30-09 09:24 PM |
#145 |
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What are you so damned afraid of? Voters having knowledge, perhaps? |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 09:32 PM |
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Yeah Obama should be the only President to |
Thrill |
Sep-30-09 10:07 PM |
#151 |
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Obama would be the 1st President in History to state an opinion on a major issue? |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 11:49 AM |
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More on why voters want to know (Link included) |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 03:27 PM |
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+ 1. n/t |
truedelphi |
Sep-30-09 05:39 PM |
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They don't. It's beyond ludicrous to think that Obama is going to start |
ProSense |
Sep-30-09 03:12 PM |
#125 |
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It's ludicrous for Obama to tell us which Senators he agrees with... |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 05:42 PM |
#133 |
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Some think it is "ludicrous" for Obama to have to take a stand on anything! |
saracat |
Sep-30-09 06:39 PM |
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But not the average voter. The average voter would be fine knowing if he supports Rockefeller or not |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 06:48 PM |
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Maybe he did. nt |
Deep13 |
Sep-30-09 03:41 PM |
#130 |
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Because he doesn't support it |
jeanpalmer |
Sep-30-09 09:00 PM |
#144 |
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There is no bill to twist arms on yet |
Thrill |
Sep-30-09 09:29 PM |
#146 |
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At that point, a strong public option might be out of play. |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 09:37 PM |
#149 |
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You're the one that doesn't get it. The public option is |
Thrill |
Sep-30-09 10:05 PM |
#150 |
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Wrong-You mean "a" Public Option. Not the exact version Rockefeller presents. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 11:54 AM |
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I have no choice but to guess- and that is my guess as well. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Sep-30-09 09:34 PM |
#148 |
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I am beginning to wonder if he even wants a public option at this point. |
joeycola |
Oct-01-09 12:38 PM |
#154 |
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Since it seems to be a "keep the base guessing" strategy- you have every right to wonder or guess. |
Dr Fate |
Oct-01-09 12:48 PM |
#155 |
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Bingo. His manta seems to be 'safe'!! |
joeycola |
Oct-01-09 04:38 PM |
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Name removed |
Oct-05-09 11:55 PM |
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Kick. |
David Zephyr |
Oct-05-09 11:59 PM |
#160 |
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