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35. But your Ministry of Truth, WaPo, represents the truthtellers? From the OP
The National Education Association, with 3.2 million members, called it a "disturbing" federal intrusion. "We have been down that road before with the failures of No Child Left Behind," the union writes, "and we cannot support yet another layer of federal mandates that have little or no research base of success and that usurp state and local government's responsibilities for public education." Union affiliates from 19 states weighed in, many echoing such views.

From an August 22 piece in the NYT:

Teachers Strike Back: The nations teachers arent giving Mr. Obamas most significant school improvement proposal very high marks.

In a statement issued late Friday, the countrys largest teachers union, with a largely Democratic membership of 3.2 million, likened Mr. Obamas plan to the Bush administrations top-down approach.

We find this top-down approach disturbing; we have been down that road before with the failures of No Child Left Behind, the union wrote in its comments, and we cannot support yet another layer of federal mandates that have little or no research base of success and that usurp state and local governments responsibilities for public education.

Do you even know when Weingarten said "That's Bush III," and what she was referring to? In fact, is this even a recent statement?

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  -Teacher Unions Criticize Obama's School Proposals as 'Bush III' Better Believe It  Sep-25-09 03:34 PM   #0 
  - Rhetoric like this obscures their message and makes them look ridiculous. nt  tritsofme   Sep-25-09 03:37 PM   #1 
  - Doesn't obscure it all; it clarifies their message  brentspeak   Sep-25-09 03:52 PM   #5 
  - Ass kissing have gotten liberals nowhere!  IndianaGreen   Sep-25-09 06:27 PM   #16 
     - No, it's just saying that Obama is just like Bush makes one look incredibly stupid.  tritsofme   Sep-25-09 06:34 PM   #18 
        - Yes It Does, BUT  Dinger   Sep-25-09 06:41 PM   #21 
        - It doesn't say he's just like Bush.  LWolf   Sep-25-09 08:26 PM   #40 
        - Let's see.....endless war, privatize schools,  roody   Sep-26-09 09:59 PM   #106 
  - I have to say this is one of the things I'm disappointed in Obama for. And there's a lot I'm happy  Brickbat   Sep-25-09 03:39 PM   #2 
  - Me too. I am keenly disappointed in his education policies.  LiberalAndProud   Sep-27-09 10:54 PM   #112 
  - Dissapointing doesn't begin to describe it...  RJDem   Sep-25-09 03:43 PM   #3 
  - My husband and are 90% certain we are going to homeschool, this pushes me over the edge  AllyCat   Sep-25-09 03:49 PM   #4 
  - As A Public School Teacher, I Don't Blame You One Bit  Dinger   Sep-25-09 06:41 PM   #22 
  - A friend of mine is a public high school teacher and just rolls her eyes when I mention  AllyCat   Sep-25-09 11:23 PM   #58 
     - If a 10 year old is up until 11 doing HUNDREDS of math problems,  robo50   Sep-26-09 03:17 PM   #89 
        - I agree, but this is considered "good, tough instruction" by many parents  AllyCat   Sep-26-09 11:24 PM   #108 
        - This Is What I Tell Parents At Conference Time  Dinger   Sep-27-09 06:59 AM   #110 
           - You are absolutely correct about that. A good teacher knows  robo50   Sep-28-09 08:08 AM   #113 
  - I don't blame you either - just remember to teach them about evolution. ;)  polichick   Sep-25-09 08:57 PM   #49 
  - What Obama is doing isn't just terrible policy, it's terrible politics, too  brentspeak   Sep-25-09 03:55 PM   #6 
  - We Aren't totally Alienated, But  Dinger   Sep-25-09 06:42 PM   #23 
  - No, it's not terrible politics.  Igel   Sep-25-09 09:47 PM   #54 
  - Part of terrible politics.  Jakes Progress   Sep-26-09 01:28 PM   #83 
  - Over 3 million members in both unions  proud2BlibKansan   Sep-26-09 02:09 PM   #87 
  - It seems like he has set out to deliberately alienate us;  LWolf   Sep-26-09 11:02 AM   #75 
     - It's called trangulation, and Obama could teach Bill Clinton himself  QC   Sep-26-09 01:08 PM   #82 
        - The term "triangulation"  LWolf   Sep-26-09 06:49 PM   #97 
  - K & R  last_texas_dem   Sep-25-09 03:56 PM   #7 
  - Hope you like the loss of your local control folks. This is the nail in the coffin.  MichiganVote   Sep-25-09 04:04 PM   #8 
  - yeah 'cause local school boards  mzteris   Sep-26-09 06:27 PM   #96 
  - However, there will be one place where Obama is not Bush III  LisaM   Sep-25-09 04:13 PM   #9 
  - Have they compared the US with some other countries that succeed with education  Rosa Luxemburg   Sep-25-09 04:26 PM   #10 
  - No kidding.  LWolf   Sep-26-09 11:09 AM   #77 
  - Why Obama is Winning on Education.  ProSense   Sep-25-09 04:27 PM   #11 
  - iow  paulk   Sep-26-09 09:42 PM   #105 
  - President Obama saved tens of thousands of teaching jobs with his stimulus bill  bluestateguy   Sep-25-09 04:36 PM   #12 
  - Actually Obama cut out 16 billion slated for much needed educational construction and repair  MadHound   Sep-25-09 06:25 PM   #14 
  - Obama's DOJ just terminated funding for a model program for abused women  IndianaGreen   Sep-25-09 06:30 PM   #17 
  - What a bunch of crap  bluestateguy   Sep-25-09 07:03 PM   #33 
  - Really?  MadHound   Sep-25-09 07:14 PM   #34 
     - Yes, really  bluestateguy   Sep-25-09 07:25 PM   #36 
        - Apparently for you, da nile ain't just a rive is it  MadHound   Sep-25-09 11:33 PM   #59 
  - Do you have a link to the right wing or Fox News article that told you this?  robo50   Sep-26-09 03:21 PM   #90 
  - they need to be more grateful? WOW  jonnyblitz   Sep-25-09 06:36 PM   #19 
  - Ditto (nt)  Dinger   Sep-25-09 06:47 PM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-25-09 06:54 PM   #30 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-25-09 07:39 PM   #38 
  - Throw me a carrot and I will bow before you strategy. No thanks.  joeycola   Sep-26-09 06:31 AM   #61 
  - K&R  Vidar   Sep-25-09 05:44 PM   #13 
  - Yup, Obama is taking us further and further down the road to privatized education  MadHound   Sep-25-09 06:26 PM   #15 
  - Sad But True (nt)  Dinger   Sep-25-09 06:45 PM   #25 
  - K & R. This Is Fucking Disturbing  Dinger   Sep-25-09 06:39 PM   #20 
  - Under Duncan's Rule, CPS Was The Most Militarized Public School System In The Country  Dinger   Sep-25-09 06:45 PM   #24 
  - Test, more tests, fail the schools, make them into charter schools.  madfloridian   Sep-25-09 06:46 PM   #26 
  - Excellent Post As Usual Madfloridian  Dinger   Sep-25-09 06:48 PM   #28 
  - "Fund a failing program called NCLB." Don't pretend that the AFT doesn't support NCLB  ProSense   Sep-25-09 06:58 PM   #32 
  - AFT was not my union. Thank goodness.  madfloridian   Sep-25-09 07:28 PM   #37 
     - Mine Either. Thank Goodness. (nt)  Dinger   Sep-25-09 08:39 PM   #43 
        - This is hilarious.  ProSense   Sep-25-09 08:44 PM   #45 
           - Why are you so strong on charter schools?  madfloridian   Sep-25-09 08:59 PM   #50 
              - "I am trying to understand why you ridicule teachers' unions" What the hell are you talking about?  ProSense   Sep-25-09 09:17 PM   #53 
  - It's DATA-DRIVEN. That means lots of money for computer  roody   Sep-26-09 10:06 PM   #107 
  - Oh Oh. Here Come The Unrecs  Dinger   Sep-25-09 06:49 PM   #29 
  - The Ministry of Truth is hard at work  IndianaGreen   Sep-25-09 06:56 PM   #31 
  - But your Ministry of Truth, WaPo, represents the truthtellers? From the OP  ProSense   Sep-25-09 07:23 PM   #35 
  - Are you admittedly on the far right of the Democratic Party?  democrat2thecore   Sep-25-09 08:32 PM   #41 
     - WTF? If you're looking for someone to support bullshit whining and distortion  ProSense   Sep-25-09 08:42 PM   #44 
        - Distract and redirect?  democrat2thecore   Sep-25-09 08:47 PM   #46 
           - Here's a tip:  ProSense   Sep-25-09 08:52 PM   #48 
              - Thanks for the tip....(please!)  democrat2thecore   Sep-25-09 09:01 PM   #51 
                 - "your defense of Obama on damn near everything" Stop wasting your time,  ProSense   Sep-25-09 09:04 PM   #52 
                 - A noble effort.  donco6   Sep-25-09 10:03 PM   #56 
                    - Peanut gallery.  ProSense   Sep-25-09 10:08 PM   #57 
                    - I notice that teachers are always proud of their professions  Bluenorthwest   Sep-26-09 09:18 AM   #67 
                       - I am. And I'm proud of the work we do.  donco6   Sep-26-09 10:04 AM   #68 
                       - Thank You donco  Dinger   Sep-26-09 10:05 AM   #69 
                       - As we should be.  LWolf   Sep-26-09 08:48 PM   #102 
  - Ministry of Truth.,  LWolf   Sep-26-09 08:49 PM   #103 
  - One doesn't need to guess n/t  Autumn   Sep-26-09 08:23 AM   #65 
  - They're right.  LWolf   Sep-25-09 08:24 PM   #39 
  - Not If I have Anything To Say About It  Dinger   Sep-25-09 08:33 PM   #42 
  - No, it's not too hard.  LWolf   Sep-26-09 10:59 AM   #73 
     - Cutting Through The Bullshit As Usual  Dinger   Sep-26-09 11:31 AM   #81 
  - Especially paired with Race to the Top funding in this economy.  donco6   Sep-25-09 10:01 PM   #55 
     - Tying teacher pay to test scores? Sure!  LWolf   Sep-26-09 11:00 AM   #74 
     - LITERALLY?  boppers   Sep-26-09 07:04 PM   #99 
        - Yes literally.  donco6   Sep-27-09 07:32 PM   #111 
  - Disturbing - WTF is wrong with Obama?!?  polichick   Sep-25-09 08:49 PM   #47 
  - Oh noes, accountability! Testing!  boppers   Sep-25-09 11:37 PM   #60 
  - What happens with constant testing is constant teaching-to-the-test...  polichick   Sep-26-09 06:59 AM   #62 
  - You'd Think So, Wouldn't You  Dinger   Sep-26-09 07:21 AM   #64 
  - You don't believe "learning how to think" is testable?  boppers   Sep-26-09 05:12 PM   #94 
  - Accountability, But Not For Charters & Private Schools, Which Is Where This IS Heading  Dinger   Sep-26-09 07:15 AM   #63 
  - Duncan is on the record saying that if a particular charter school can't get the job done  Telly Savalas   Sep-26-09 01:50 PM   #86 
  - Thus spoken by someone  LWolf   Sep-26-09 11:10 AM   #78 
  - Are schools corporations? Does your post make sense?  brentspeak   Sep-26-09 01:45 PM   #84 
     - So only corporations, NOT PUBLICLY FUNDED schools, should be  robo50   Sep-26-09 03:27 PM   #91 
     - Charter Schools Are NOT Held To The Same Standard,  Dinger   Sep-26-09 06:51 PM   #98 
        - SO..........change the Federal laws to make them all acountable, or you would prefer  robo50   Sep-26-09 07:10 PM   #100 
     - No, schools aren't corporations. They need *MORE* scrutiny than that.  boppers   Sep-26-09 06:11 PM   #95 
  - Read something similar in Time Magazine.  bigwillq   Sep-26-09 08:56 AM   #66 
  - I have poster #'s 32,44,45,48,52 and 53 on ignore.  Better Believe It   Sep-26-09 10:11 AM   #70 
  - They're a good reminder to me, though.  donco6   Sep-26-09 10:18 AM   #71 
  - Sometimes I Add Them To My Buddy List  Dinger   Sep-26-09 11:29 AM   #80 
  - All the same person. I've had run-ins with this person too. Ignore...good idea!  AllyCat   Sep-26-09 02:15 PM   #88 
  - Like many of you, I have been a big Obama supporter, BUT-  thoughtcrime1984   Sep-26-09 10:41 AM   #72 
  - Thank you for recognizing  LWolf   Sep-26-09 11:12 AM   #79 
  - Duncan has lots of private money to work with including the Walmart  joeycola   Sep-26-09 01:45 PM   #85 
  - You have described my feelings exactly.  erinlough   Sep-26-09 04:49 PM   #93 
  - I can't see how this method will ever "save" money.  VPStoltz   Sep-26-09 11:06 AM   #76 
  - Who was Bush II?  Boomerang Diddle   Sep-26-09 04:36 PM   #92 
  - GWB.  LWolf   Sep-26-09 08:47 PM   #101 
  - kick same ol bs  democracy1st   Sep-26-09 09:34 PM   #104 
  - Sunday Morning Kick From Me  Dinger   Sep-27-09 06:38 AM   #109 
  - Can anyone tell me,  CalvinandHobbes   Sep-28-09 09:02 AM   #114 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-06-09 12:02 AM   #115 
  - Thanks for posting this. n/t  YvonneCa   Oct-06-09 05:35 PM   #116 

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