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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-13-09 02:15 PM
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16. This won't hurt the working poor but it will piss off a lot of middle class voters
All the proposals under considerations subsidize insurance for people at the poverty level but the subsidies are phased out at 400% FPL (about $44K a year for an individual and $88K for a family of 4). They allow for people at 400% FPL to pay up to 12% of their income on premiums alone. Max Baucus' proposal is so atrocious that a family of 4 making $67K a year could conceivably pay over $20K a year out of pocket for health care. If what passes looks anything like that it's not going to look like "reform" to a lot of people and we will lose them to the Republicans. And when the GOP takes over, what do you suppose will happen to the subsidies to the poor?
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  -There is no way that mandated insurance will EVER pass. cali  Sep-13-09 11:14 AM   #0 
  - Really? So it's the one thing that is in every bill and it's not going to be there in the end.  kenny blankenship   Sep-13-09 11:15 AM   #1 
  - It won't be there in the end. they won't risk their elections over it.  cali   Sep-13-09 11:16 AM   #2 
     - Not so sure  Old Codger   Sep-13-09 11:20 AM   #3 
        - Wisdom is often mistaken for pessimism....  daleanime   Sep-13-09 11:28 AM   #7 
  - Way. n/t  theophilus   Sep-13-09 11:23 AM   #4 
  - I hope that's true. There are MUCH better ways to assure coverage, as plenty  nightrain   Sep-13-09 11:26 AM   #5 
  - No one should be forced to have access to health care - just don't treat them  stray cat   Sep-13-09 11:28 AM   #6 
  - no one should be forced to buy private insurance.  cali   Sep-13-09 11:29 AM   #8 
  - I think you are totally wrong  Oregone   Sep-13-09 11:33 AM   #9 
  - I respectfully disagree with tone of your post  angrychair   Sep-13-09 12:08 PM   #10 
  - it's not nutbaggery to object to mandated purchase of private insurance  cali   Sep-13-09 12:18 PM   #11 
  - Well, Yes indeed  angrychair   Sep-13-09 12:46 PM   #13 
  - This won't hurt the working poor but it will piss off a lot of middle class voters  Hello_Kitty   Sep-13-09 02:15 PM   #16 
     - I have  Old Codger   Sep-13-09 05:42 PM   #19 
        - If they are tax credits they won't be.  Hello_Kitty   Sep-13-09 06:05 PM   #20 
           - OK  Old Codger   Sep-13-09 08:05 PM   #21 
              - I'm with you 100%. I do not trust those crooks at all. eom  Hello_Kitty   Sep-13-09 09:37 PM   #24 
  - Can I ask you a couple of questions?  customerserviceguy   Sep-13-09 12:41 PM   #12 
  - I really don't like to engage in  angrychair   Sep-13-09 02:35 PM   #18 
     - Thanks, I appreciate that  customerserviceguy   Sep-14-09 04:04 PM   #31 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-13-09 01:20 PM   #14 
  - What's really hilarious is people right here on DU who support mandates, except for the "illeguls"  Hello_Kitty   Sep-13-09 02:07 PM   #15 
  - actually I am consistant  dsc   Sep-13-09 02:33 PM   #17 
  - I will bookmark this thread. If a bill passes, there is a 100% chance it will have a mandate.  BzaDem   Sep-13-09 08:20 PM   #22 
  - Whether it's good or bad, the mandate will pass.  johnaries   Sep-13-09 09:17 PM   #23 
  - The insurance industry has not spent all that money lobbying  dflprincess   Sep-13-09 09:49 PM   #25 
  - No mandate? I'll just game the system if I get sick and watch everyone else's premiums skyrocket.  Scarsdale Vibe   Sep-14-09 03:00 AM   #26 
  - Wanna bet?  DrToast   Sep-14-09 03:34 AM   #27 
  - Mandated insurance will be the centerpiece  jeanpalmer   Sep-14-09 05:54 AM   #28 
  - disagree  jason_o   Sep-14-09 06:39 AM   #29 
  - The subsidy will not be limited to the amount of taxes paid.  BzaDem   Sep-14-09 07:44 AM   #30 
  - Has anyone discussed how this would apply to people from religions like Christian Science?  PurityOfEssence   Sep-14-09 05:35 PM   #32 

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