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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:22 PM
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3. like the bank bailout
and in general, the dems' ties with Wall Street.

It makes it real tough to believe their "fighting for you" rhetoric when you see them golfing with the UBS guy.
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  -Without the Public Option the Democratic Party will be walking into a trap of its own making grantcart  Sep-11-09 12:17 PM   #0 
  - Yup.  MNDemNY   Sep-11-09 12:18 PM   #1 
  - Agreed!  Divine Discontent   Sep-11-09 07:13 PM   #55 
  - well said, grantcart!  villager   Sep-11-09 12:22 PM   #2 
  - GREAT post!  JaneFordA   Sep-11-09 03:45 PM   #31 
     - A public option without government funding is a car without gas...  SandWalker1984   Sep-12-09 11:50 AM   #101 
  - like the bank bailout  Enrique   Sep-11-09 12:22 PM   #3 
  - This is indeed an ugly sight. nt  polichick   Sep-11-09 12:29 PM   #9 
  - Much as I hate to voice it  Old Time Pagan   Sep-11-09 03:54 PM   #33 
     - Actually FDR was no FDR  grantcart   Sep-11-09 08:55 PM   #61 
     - I enjoy listening to FDR's speeches  Old Time Pagan   Sep-12-09 10:35 AM   #92 
     - Amen. FDR saved America  dotymed   Sep-12-09 10:29 AM   #90 
  - Thank you! n/t  QC   Sep-11-09 12:23 PM   #4 
  - Pretty much. Hard to debate that logic.  joshcryer   Sep-11-09 12:24 PM   #5 
  - No public option = No Mandate.  Cant trust em   Sep-11-09 12:25 PM   #6 
  - +1  quakerboy   Sep-12-09 09:22 PM   #118 
  - Well Said, Sir!  The Magistrate   Sep-11-09 12:26 PM   #7 
  - Always a pleasure, Sir.  grantcart   Sep-11-09 10:02 PM   #64 
  - Exactly. K&R n/t  myrna minx   Sep-11-09 12:27 PM   #8 
  - Pass the public option and add an amendment removing the insurance companies exemption from the anti  Vincardog   Sep-11-09 12:31 PM   #10 
  - Even WITH this watered down "public option" there's a trap--see  nightrain   Sep-11-09 12:38 PM   #11 
  - I am not sure which of the articles you are referring to  grantcart   Sep-11-09 12:48 PM   #16 
  - It's titled--  nightrain   Sep-11-09 12:54 PM   #18 
     - I agree with his logic  grantcart   Sep-11-09 01:04 PM   #20 
        - I read that differently. I think the point Dr McCanne is making is that  nightrain   Sep-11-09 06:13 PM   #44 
        - Yes I agree But  grantcart   Sep-11-09 08:18 PM   #59 
           - I am not that optimistic.  nightrain   Sep-11-09 09:08 PM   #62 
        - It would be much easier to simply....  bvar22   Sep-12-09 11:23 AM   #97 
  - Exactly, direct link for future and a few snips...  slipslidingaway   Sep-11-09 12:51 PM   #17 
  - Agreed. nt  DevonRex   Sep-11-09 12:40 PM   #12 
  - EXACTLY !!! NT  HamdenRice   Sep-11-09 12:41 PM   #13 
  - The Unintended Consequences will throw them all out of office,  OHdem10   Sep-11-09 12:42 PM   #14 
  - That is precisely WHY they have delayed implementation....  bvar22   Sep-12-09 11:28 AM   #99 
  - K&R  Uzybone   Sep-11-09 12:47 PM   #15 
  - And Americans want a public option  ProSense   Sep-11-09 12:57 PM   #19 
  - +1 (n/t)  area51   Sep-11-09 01:20 PM   #21 
  - I guess Im in the minority that the Public Option actually has to also mean something  Oregone   Sep-11-09 01:20 PM   #22 
  - "No excuses, no compromise" from the Democrats in Washington?...I don't know whether to  abq e streeter   Sep-11-09 03:03 PM   #23 
  - So who's paying for all those medical expenses your hard working family is racking up today?  sinkingfeeling   Sep-11-09 03:05 PM   #24 
  - Unfortunately  dotymed   Sep-12-09 10:45 AM   #94 
  - We need progressives to run in primaries against the Blue Dogs.  JDPriestly   Sep-11-09 03:09 PM   #25 
  - List of Blue Dogs from Wikipedia for reference  nxylas   Sep-11-09 03:28 PM   #27 
  - Thanks for the list. Let's encourage DUers to run.  JDPriestly   Sep-11-09 03:48 PM   #32 
  - Yeah, that Senate list (of non-corporate shills) would be real frickin' short.  kath   Sep-11-09 07:05 PM   #53 
  - AGREED Then THESE FRAUDULENT FAScISTS WILL BE Exposed For WHAT They ARE!  DaLittle Kitty   Sep-11-09 07:35 PM   #57 
  - i love the sentiment, but the problem is, the reason those asshats ARE blue dogs is that they live  dionysus   Sep-12-09 09:46 AM   #87 
  - But it must actually BE an option, not a plan that few can select  Bluenorthwest   Sep-11-09 03:23 PM   #26 
  - Of course it should have a public option.  JTFrog   Sep-11-09 03:28 PM   #28 
  - I totally agree. nt rec  rhett o rick   Sep-11-09 03:30 PM   #29 
  - You've nailed it. And they will need another government bureaucracy ...  puebloknot   Sep-11-09 03:41 PM   #30 
  - Without a strong public option there is no cost control..Premiums will rise substantially  EndElectoral   Sep-11-09 03:55 PM   #34 
  - your right  SWr   Sep-11-09 04:49 PM   #39 
  - I agree with the OP, mostly because regulation can only have limited effect  TheKentuckian   Sep-11-09 04:41 PM   #35 
  - The Public Option is currently the only idea under consideration that achieves Obama's Goals.  berni_mccoy   Sep-11-09 04:42 PM   #36 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Sep-11-09 04:45 PM   #37 
  - I agree, with a caveat.  Laelth   Sep-11-09 04:46 PM   #38 
  - +1.  tosh   Sep-11-09 06:32 PM   #48 
  - agreed  grantcart   Sep-11-09 08:19 PM   #60 
  - "Pass the bill with the public option or defeat it. No trigger, no excuses, no compromise."  jesus_of_suburbia   Sep-11-09 04:59 PM   #40 
  - For the poor, public option is their only choice...if  centristgrandpa   Sep-11-09 05:09 PM   #41 
  - Joe Wilson and AHIP Team Up to Write Max Baucus’s Health Care Bill By: Jane Hamsher  flyarm   Sep-11-09 05:20 PM   #42 
  - We need to demand single payer, but if we have to settle for less, then a public option that is open  lib_wit_it   Sep-11-09 05:23 PM   #43 
  - K&R, although I had to laugh when I read "ACME Insurance"  Wednesdays   Sep-11-09 06:22 PM   #45 
  - Agreed. No public option, no deal. n/t  TBF   Sep-11-09 06:26 PM   #46 
  - No robust public option, no bill. Start over next year.  MasonJar   Sep-11-09 06:30 PM   #47 
  - Hear, hear!  Laelth   Sep-11-09 07:09 PM   #54 
  - EXCLUSIVE: UnitedHealth Lobbyist Announces Pelosi Fundraiser As She Begins Backing Off Public Option  flyarm   Sep-11-09 06:44 PM   #49 
  - MaxTax Is a Plan to Use Our Taxes to Reward Wal-Mart for Keeping Its Workers in Poverty  flyarm   Sep-11-09 06:45 PM   #50 
  - And, these guys don't give a shit.  Cha   Sep-11-09 06:46 PM   #51 
  - Joe Wilson and AHIP Team Up to Write Max Baucus’s Health Care BillBy: Jane Hamsher  flyarm   Sep-11-09 06:48 PM   #52 
  - you are on a roll. great.  joeycola   Sep-11-09 09:15 PM   #63 
  - K&R.  David Zephyr   Sep-11-09 07:32 PM   #56 
  - No PO no GO.  glitch   Sep-11-09 07:57 PM   #58 
  - k*r Excellent  autorank   Sep-11-09 10:21 PM   #65 
  - K&R  zeos3   Sep-11-09 11:45 PM   #66 
  - Hell yea!  daleanime   Sep-11-09 11:50 PM   #67 
  - Yes. We've already given two huge concessions  Jakes Progress   Sep-12-09 12:15 AM   #68 
  - And the first one was one too many. No more compromises. PERIOD.  closeupready   Sep-12-09 12:01 PM   #103 
  - Four year wait is worse than a trigger  ArcticFox   Sep-12-09 12:35 AM   #69 
  - The wait is for budget reasons. Don't like it come up with 300-500 billion (nt)  TheKentuckian   Sep-12-09 12:45 AM   #70 
     - Bring the troops home. Do I win?  Mithreal   Sep-12-09 02:22 AM   #72 
     - Eliminate the mortgage interest deduction - $100 billion right there.  closeupready   Sep-12-09 12:03 PM   #104 
  - Mr. Obama knows that this is his legacy, for all intents and purposes.  bleever   Sep-12-09 01:17 AM   #71 
  - That legacy talk is not very satisfying to my brother and sister.  Mithreal   Sep-12-09 02:30 AM   #73 
  - Brilliant Grantie - well done!  jannyk   Sep-12-09 02:31 AM   #74 
  - Cheers sir... at least now we who can't find a reasonable plan can save our money...  LooseWilly   Sep-12-09 03:06 AM   #75 
  - Excellent point. And then imagine when the Republicans become the "heroes" of the little guy for  readmoreoften   Sep-12-09 03:31 AM   #76 
  - and then they get to run against us because we are socialists  grantcart   Sep-12-09 03:37 AM   #77 
  - My liege!  1Hippiechick   Sep-12-09 03:53 AM   #78 
  - The mandate also removes a lot of disposable income from the economy.  Dr.Phool   Sep-12-09 06:37 AM   #79 
  - And kept intact, the public option will establish national universal health care  ProSense   Sep-12-09 06:44 AM   #80 
  - And even then, the 'public Option' will need to be vetted to the tiniest detail.  grahamhgreen   Sep-12-09 08:24 AM   #81 
  - Some people are more concerned with their side getting a "win"  PVnRT   Sep-12-09 08:50 AM   #82 
  - Centrism....  bvar22   Sep-12-09 02:21 PM   #114 
  - this board is so strange  natrat   Sep-12-09 09:03 AM   #83 
  - try making sense of DU and you'll be at it a long time. my guess would be that  dionysus   Sep-12-09 09:52 AM   #88 
  - I believe those posts serve a purpose of showing us all who the paid propagandists are  flyarm   Sep-12-09 10:39 AM   #93 
  - I could name them.  bvar22   Sep-12-09 11:25 AM   #98 
     - if the democratic party paid people to post on message boards, why do you  dionysus   Sep-12-09 01:21 PM   #107 
        - who said dem party? how about Big Pharma and AHIP?  flyarm   Sep-12-09 01:37 PM   #108 
        - i could see repukes or people like big pharma doing this, but, what would they be posting?  dionysus   Sep-12-09 01:41 PM   #109 
           - HR 3200 (the Plan Obama referenced)  bvar22   Sep-12-09 02:12 PM   #113 
        - If they are not being paid....  bvar22   Sep-12-09 01:43 PM   #110 
           - i think kucinich is more popular here than other places, because posters here are political junkies  dionysus   Sep-12-09 01:46 PM   #111 
           - absolutely! Rahm is the worst form of snake! eom  flyarm   Sep-12-09 02:07 PM   #112 
  - The more that we concentrate on issues and the less that we concentrate  grantcart   Sep-12-09 12:05 PM   #105 
  - Third Party  90-percent   Sep-12-09 09:08 AM   #84 
  - without instant run-off voting or a european style system it would be a waste though. might as well  dionysus   Sep-12-09 09:53 AM   #89 
  - I shudder to think  dotymed   Sep-12-09 11:13 AM   #95 
  - Exactly !!! - K & R !!!  WillyT   Sep-12-09 09:15 AM   #85 
  - good to see you WillyT haven't seen you for a while  grantcart   Sep-12-09 08:42 PM   #115 
  - nice post cart. i had to resist the temptation to add a gratuitous admiral akbar pic  dionysus   Sep-12-09 09:42 AM   #86 
  - Lack of public option will also make those over  liberalhistorian   Sep-12-09 10:31 AM   #91 
  - That is the current state of affairs  dotymed   Sep-12-09 11:16 AM   #96 
  - You say it, and get 158 recs.  rateyes   Sep-12-09 11:28 AM   #100 
  - Kicked and freaking recommended!  closeupready   Sep-12-09 11:59 AM   #102 
  - thks  grantcart   Sep-12-09 12:48 PM   #106 
  - Do you think $60,000 is low-income? Do you not know any teachers?!  WinkyDink   Sep-12-09 08:44 PM   #116 
     - for a family of four, in a larger city, 60k is by no means a high income  dsc   Sep-12-09 09:06 PM   #117 
 

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