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Wed Sep-09-09 04:08 PM
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I'm batshit over the insanity of this. Good average, everyday people are DYING! Where's that in healthcare debates?
Dem's are proving they aren't any better than Republican's. Without reform passing, in 2010, Congress will be Republican again - then imagine a puppet-head like Palin in 2012 and 8 more years of no elections. No one should be surprised by Blue Dogs being formed by a Republican in 95 - which answers a lot too.
Dem's have done a lousy job largely because some (Blue Dog's) didn't want single payer or public option to begin with. Starting with the name "public option" which even sounds like welfare. Why not the "Medicare Choice" since it's self explanatory and everyone likes Medicare? And then not to have anything sound-bite ready? Reform failed because of an inside job.
A strike would be wonderful - but I don't think there's a way to make it seem big enough. Liberals don't have a major news network at their disposal. It's too easy for news stations to marginalize protests - like the ones against Iraq.
Maybe the core group of House Rep's are willing to participate?
Shouting down town hall meetings was really a stroke of genius. They appeared like a bigger group. News loved the headlines created and posting videos on You Tube made them even harder to marginalize. It didn't matter that anything said made no sense or who sponsored them or that many were bussed in. Why do Republican's have all the strategists and pr people? There are marketing firms boasting how they helped put down public opinion for Republican's on their resumes.
Something wild has to happen - A "Sick-in" with people dying in the streets? Do mass free public health clinics where people can see everyone without healthcare? Somehow Congress needs to respond to voters again.
But I'm liberal. Facts are liberal. I can't think of anything radical. Whatever - it's time to stop thinking and act or nothing will happen - again.
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| -Liberals: Prepare for Defcon: Level Batshit Crazy |
grantcart |
Sep-08-09 10:28 PM |
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yes! |
villager |
Sep-08-09 10:30 PM |
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Alert! Going Guano! |
GreenPartyVoter |
Sep-08-09 10:31 PM |
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Interestingly guano is an excellent source of gunpowder |
grantcart |
Sep-08-09 10:44 PM |
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And a floor wax. And a dessert topping. |
Canuckistanian |
Sep-08-09 10:52 PM |
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Best laff this week! |
FredStembottom |
Sep-09-09 10:54 AM |
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Holy crapola! |
kenfrequed |
Sep-09-09 12:21 PM |
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It turns a sandwich into a banquet |
RufusTFirefly |
Sep-09-09 03:02 PM |
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a little of that and a pinch of sulfur, and you've got a fireball. |
nemo137 |
Sep-09-09 01:26 AM |
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1d6 plus fire damage against anything weak against fire.... |
TK421 |
Sep-09-09 02:51 PM |
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Unfortunately, so is Monsanto, DOW Chemicals and Bayer. |
Grinchie |
Sep-09-09 01:18 PM |
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I think you're referring to nitroguanidine. |
cognoscere |
Sep-09-09 02:38 PM |
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with froot loops |
donquijoterocket |
Sep-09-09 04:22 PM |
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Guano Loco? n/t |
krkaufman |
Sep-09-09 09:14 PM |
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WE NEED FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE ON THE MALL. |
cliffordu |
Sep-08-09 10:42 PM |
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fucking crickets |
cliffordu |
Sep-09-09 01:07 AM |
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Fucking crickets. |
Wednesdays |
Sep-09-09 10:37 PM |
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I will go |
Voltaire |
Sep-09-09 07:40 AM |
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I would go too... |
bc3000 |
Sep-09-09 01:37 PM |
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I don't know how to organize it, but I know who does |
demwing |
Sep-09-09 09:33 AM |
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I WILL BE THERE if we can get SOMETHING started. |
cliffordu |
Sep-09-09 11:35 AM |
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We Need a General Strike |
Demeter |
Sep-09-09 12:18 PM |
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NOW YOU'RE TALKING!!!! |
cliffordu |
Sep-09-09 12:42 PM |
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YESSSS Strike |
pundaint |
Sep-09-09 12:46 PM |
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I'm with you Demeter, but I've been on strike since 2003 |
Grinchie |
Sep-09-09 01:34 PM |
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AB-SO-FREAKIN-LOUTELY!!! |
Left Coast2020 |
Sep-09-09 03:03 PM |
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that's why |
druidity33 |
Sep-09-09 03:06 PM |
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I'm self-employed, how do I do that? /nt |
jberryhill |
Sep-09-09 03:09 PM |
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Take a Day Off, and Tell Your Customers Why |
Demeter |
Sep-09-09 05:49 PM |
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It's time to remind these useless Repukes in Democratic clothing who elected a goddamn majority. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Sep-08-09 10:43 PM |
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Funny! |
Robber M |
Sep-09-09 01:04 AM |
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Oooo I like when you talk dirty - exactly - nt |
lyonn |
Sep-09-09 12:42 PM |
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All true, all good, but who will lead? nt |
fadedrose |
Sep-08-09 10:45 PM |
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Someone get Dr Dean on the phone |
demwing |
Sep-09-09 09:35 AM |
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The Clinton gang is still in power from what I gather.. |
fadedrose |
Sep-09-09 02:35 PM |
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Agree. I'm done with Clintonian triangulation. We need robust, proud liberalism. |
Arugula Latte |
Sep-08-09 10:46 PM |
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Are you getting tired of Obamas surge to the right? |
lark |
Sep-09-09 06:04 PM |
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Damn wise words. |
rucky |
Sep-08-09 10:48 PM |
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It's not even reasonableness. It's a matter of counting noses. |
MrModerate |
Sep-08-09 10:50 PM |
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I say that if the other side doesnt want to compromise for PO then we go for single payer |
rhett o rick |
Sep-08-09 10:54 PM |
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I agree - taking single payer off the table to early moved the central |
grantcart |
Sep-08-09 10:58 PM |
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Agree. nt |
rhett o rick |
Sep-08-09 10:59 PM |
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how about a medicare buy-in? |
yodermon |
Sep-09-09 11:33 AM |
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Close to 60% of the people in this country........ |
SergeStorms |
Sep-09-09 12:10 PM |
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I TOTALLY AGREE |
dotymed |
Sep-09-09 12:47 PM |
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+28 |
inna |
Sep-08-09 10:59 PM |
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k/r |
ccharles000 |
Sep-08-09 11:05 PM |
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So I take it you're in favor of the President |
ruggerson |
Sep-08-09 11:07 PM |
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It would make my day |
grantcart |
Sep-08-09 11:46 PM |
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I think I agree with you |
ruggerson |
Sep-08-09 11:54 PM |
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At this point, I am. |
FredStembottom |
Sep-09-09 10:58 AM |
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Oh, I'm ready for that Defcon Level.. |
NYC_SKP |
Sep-08-09 11:15 PM |
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Yes, by all means let's kill health care reform now so that we can maybe get something better |
Marsala |
Sep-08-09 11:25 PM |
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Or we could just settle for what they hand us and be grateful they let us play at all... |
cliffordu |
Sep-08-09 11:28 PM |
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THAT Is What THEY Are Counting On!! THEY Want Us To Sit Back |
ChiciB1 |
Sep-09-09 01:14 PM |
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If it doesn't have a Public Option it is not reform |
grantcart |
Sep-08-09 11:46 PM |
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Your right. something might go wrong |
demwing |
Sep-09-09 09:39 AM |
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I'm finished listening to speeches from Obama. |
Grinchie |
Sep-09-09 01:53 PM |
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It won't be 10 or 20 years this time... |
Chan790 |
Sep-09-09 11:41 AM |
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No, let's whittle it down to the point where still, the GOP won't support it |
PVnRT |
Sep-09-09 11:42 AM |
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Without the PO the insurance companies win big |
lyonn |
Sep-09-09 01:03 PM |
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Or we can take a compromise now |
quakerboy |
Sep-09-09 08:37 PM |
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I gave you a K&R, whiner. |
cliffordu |
Sep-08-09 11:27 PM |
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Aye aye, sir! |
janx |
Sep-08-09 11:33 PM |
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There's no need to be unreasonable: but there's no reason to "compromise" with wackos, either |
struggle4progress |
Sep-09-09 12:49 AM |
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If liberals do this, they will be taken even LESS seriously in the future. |
BzaDem |
Sep-09-09 01:27 AM |
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A bunch of liberals did not do this in 2000 |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 02:18 AM |
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You just don't get it. |
BzaDem |
Sep-09-09 03:38 AM |
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Grantcart has demonstrated an extraordinarily KEEN awareness of the numbers in the past |
stevenleser |
Sep-09-09 09:28 AM |
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Thank you, stevenleser! |
FredStembottom |
Sep-09-09 11:24 AM |
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Why couldn't Clinton even pass a bill in the house? |
BzaDem |
Sep-09-09 04:19 PM |
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You are funny! |
Bluenorthwest |
Sep-09-09 10:42 AM |
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Your ignorance of health care outside of the US is staggering |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 10:47 AM |
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The Swiss have the highest suicide rate by far in Europe. |
AlbertCat |
Sep-09-09 12:16 PM |
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It has nothing to do with the gun laws |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 02:17 PM |
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While attempting to deny what I'm saying, you actually support much of it. |
BzaDem |
Sep-09-09 04:15 PM |
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I hadn't had a chance to read this outstanding OP before answering your |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 10:52 AM |
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You are responding to an argument that I never made at ALL. |
BzaDem |
Sep-09-09 04:16 PM |
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Your incremental take a tiny lit bit of good in exchange for massive |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 05:03 PM |
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+1000 |
treestar |
Sep-09-09 11:29 AM |
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THE MAJORITY OF "MEDICALLY INDUCED" BANKRUPTCIES |
dotymed |
Sep-09-09 01:00 PM |
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Right.... |
Grinchie |
Sep-09-09 02:15 PM |
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Switzerland and the Netherlands regulate the HELL out of their insurance companies: |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-09-09 03:00 PM |
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Don't look now, but thats essentially what the insurance exchanges do. |
BzaDem |
Sep-09-09 04:25 PM |
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Which plan is that? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-09-09 04:41 PM |
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the level of regulation in Switzerland and Netherlands is much much more |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 05:01 PM |
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Or not... |
ProudDad |
Sep-09-09 08:35 PM |
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Sorry - but YOU are the one that doesn't "get it" - and YOU will be the sorry one... |
TankLV |
Sep-09-09 09:58 PM |
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You must remember, please. |
FredStembottom |
Sep-09-09 11:07 AM |
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you wish |
fascisthunter |
Sep-09-09 11:41 AM |
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All we ever do is compromise... |
Chan790 |
Sep-09-09 11:48 AM |
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Nader wasn't on the Green ticket in 2004, genius |
PVnRT |
Sep-09-09 11:48 AM |
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Yeah, blame us liberals because Al Gore ran a shitty campaign and chose Lieberman as |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-09-09 12:30 PM |
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Liberals aren't taken seriously NOW. Yes DO THIS! NO public option, no bill |
digidigido |
Sep-09-09 12:44 PM |
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What a bunch of Bull... |
Grinchie |
Sep-09-09 02:00 PM |
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And If We WIN (And We Will) We Will Be More Powerful Than We Have Been In A LOOOONG Time |
Beetwasher |
Sep-09-09 09:16 AM |
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Exactly right. When progressives cave on moderate positions |
Tom Rinaldo |
Sep-09-09 09:46 AM |
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It isn't too negotiate with the Republicans - it is to serve their corporate masters |
debbierlus |
Sep-09-09 10:13 AM |
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Amen & hallelujah! nt |
Doremus |
Sep-09-09 09:51 AM |
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Standing up for what you believe in and fighting for it isn't bat shit crazy |
debbierlus |
Sep-09-09 10:05 AM |
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Batshit isn't required, contextual, or applicable |
TheKentuckian |
Sep-09-09 10:14 AM |
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i'm already batshit, so i'm upgrading to sociopath... |
Soylent Brice |
Sep-09-09 10:31 AM |
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I know what you mean |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 10:48 AM |
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good, then i'll have someone to keep me and me and me company. n/t |
Soylent Brice |
Sep-09-09 11:12 AM |
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Public Option - with no trigger! n/t |
drm604 |
Sep-09-09 10:49 AM |
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Okay. I'm going into the Bat Cave and dust off my Bat Man suit and . . . wait, |
bertman |
Sep-09-09 11:29 AM |
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I think we're all pretty much |
Cha |
Sep-09-09 11:32 AM |
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No kidding |
Peacetrain |
Sep-09-09 11:49 AM |
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You mean we shouldn't settle for nothing while, at the same time, give insurance companies |
valerief |
Sep-09-09 11:48 AM |
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Why is expecting excellence going "bat shit crazy"? |
AlbertCat |
Sep-09-09 11:48 AM |
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expecting excellence is not "bat shit crazy" |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 12:46 PM |
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ALBERTCAT....AMEN |
dotymed |
Sep-09-09 01:07 PM |
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You nailed it. It less expensive to do it right the first time. |
Grinchie |
Sep-09-09 02:24 PM |
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We need to get rid of the Senate. Just dump them. Kaput! nt |
valerief |
Sep-09-09 11:50 AM |
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dont stop there |
pundaint |
Sep-09-09 12:52 PM |
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Yep, K&R grantcart |
SlingBlade |
Sep-09-09 11:53 AM |
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Please. Today let's show a little reverence for the GOP. |
12AngryBorneoWildmen |
Sep-09-09 12:11 PM |
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Amen! My friends and family say I'm already half-way THERE. |
ShortnFiery |
Sep-09-09 12:26 PM |
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Yep - the squeaky wheel. nt |
polichick |
Sep-09-09 12:28 PM |
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No quarter asked nor given. It's time to go to the mat. [nt] |
Jester Messiah |
Sep-09-09 12:31 PM |
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My gawd I'm pissed, no more Mr. Nice Guy |
lyonn |
Sep-09-09 12:37 PM |
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Ticktickticktick.... |
nolabear |
Sep-09-09 12:45 PM |
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Indeed; Its batshit crazy I,ll be if robust public option crashes. kr nt |
ooglymoogly |
Sep-09-09 12:52 PM |
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Okay, putting on my aluminum foil hat and clown nose. |
Deep13 |
Sep-09-09 12:53 PM |
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Finally Grantcart, you seem to have met your Boundary condition |
Grinchie |
Sep-09-09 01:14 PM |
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Sometimes you hire a crook to catch a crook |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 02:22 PM |
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How about hiring a smart investigator instead of a guy on the payroll of the cabal? |
Grinchie |
Sep-09-09 02:51 PM |
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Agreed. |
zeemike |
Sep-09-09 01:34 PM |
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I totally agree with you. |
Vinca |
Sep-09-09 01:36 PM |
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Oh yeah baby. You don't want to piss of the left. |
windoe |
Sep-09-09 02:31 PM |
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YUP - stop being "NICE" to Unreasonable and Irrational |
katty |
Sep-09-09 02:36 PM |
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I believe you are right. I hoped single payer would happen in my |
Paper Roses |
Sep-09-09 02:39 PM |
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Totally agree |
Blasphemer |
Sep-09-09 02:52 PM |
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We at DU have been batshit crazy for a long time. |
Common Sense Party |
Sep-09-09 02:58 PM |
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Agreed! We have to now take it to the streets |
RoccoR5955 |
Sep-09-09 02:59 PM |
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extracurricular politics have naught to do with the democratic party |
tiny elvis |
Sep-09-09 03:10 PM |
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WHAT CAN WE DO? |
aikanae |
Sep-09-09 04:08 PM |
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a couple of things |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 04:15 PM |
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K&R n/t |
OneGrassRoot |
Sep-09-09 04:31 PM |
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You got THAT right! |
Ikkru |
Sep-09-09 04:20 PM |
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I'll just watch. |
Sky Masterson |
Sep-09-09 04:30 PM |
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K&R |
TransitJohn |
Sep-09-09 04:43 PM |
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I love it! |
man4allcats |
Sep-09-09 05:00 PM |
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Line in the sand, litmus test, whatever. |
hay rick |
Sep-09-09 05:11 PM |
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Moonbat checking in... |
Swamp Rat |
Sep-09-09 05:59 PM |
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Thank you |
varelse |
Sep-09-09 06:21 PM |
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In the words of a mccain supporter.. |
yeswecanandwedid |
Sep-09-09 06:25 PM |
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I'm always a few seconds away from Batshit crazy |
proud patriot |
Sep-09-09 06:29 PM |
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I am fired up and ready to go bat shit crazy! I hope I don't have to though but if I do I'm ready! |
1776Forever |
Sep-09-09 06:35 PM |
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now that's what I am talking about |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 06:54 PM |
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I wouldn't make comparisons... |
renman59 |
Sep-09-09 07:05 PM |
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All true, but our reps are cowards, and Glenn Beck is now King of the US |
Doctor_J |
Sep-09-09 07:11 PM |
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knr |
wroberts189 |
Sep-09-09 07:13 PM |
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I got my crazy powder. |
knixphan |
Sep-09-09 07:17 PM |
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After the speech, it's DEFCON ! |
RoccoR5955 |
Sep-09-09 08:15 PM |
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Right on. |
Clear Blue Sky |
Sep-09-09 08:21 PM |
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I don't have a problem w/ that. My family already thinks |
xxqqqzme |
Sep-09-09 08:39 PM |
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As I see it ... |
NikkiN |
Sep-09-09 09:49 PM |
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yep a large show |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 09:51 PM |
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Agree, but what you call batshit crazy, I call acting with intention. |
earcandle |
Sep-09-09 09:50 PM |
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well I don't think Defcon: Level Acting with Attention |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 09:59 PM |
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what is a "defcon"? and if you are speaking to me, I said acting with Intention, not Attention. |
earcandle |
Sep-09-09 10:35 PM |
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defcon: Defense readiness condition - outlines the military's readiness for war |
grantcart |
Sep-09-09 10:50 PM |
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Here's to batshit all around! |
lonestarnot |
Sep-09-09 10:26 PM |
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Nice work grantcart. |
midnight |
Sep-09-09 10:30 PM |
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Bat Sh*t Crazy - Oh Yes! |
colsohlibgal |
Sep-09-09 10:46 PM |
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I am really pissed, dissappointed we are supporting this industry that makes us sick and profits |
earcandle |
Sep-09-09 10:53 PM |
#166 |