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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 12:53 PM
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29. thanks for once again compiling useful information.
One comment though. You say that it's not his job to write legislation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but nothing prevents him from proposing specific legislation to Congress--in effect, drafting a Bill for them. And he is certainly free to specify in advance precisely what a Health Care Reform Bill must contain to avoid his veto. I think he has done a good job outlining some of the principles that are vital to successful health care reform. Should he have done more? That's an open question in my mind.
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  -The claim that Obama hasn't led on health care is completely bogus ProSense  Sep-05-09 11:32 AM   #0 
  - Thank you for this. People sayin he needs to lead don't even know what THEY mean by that.  phleshdef   Sep-05-09 11:36 AM   #1 
  - No, they are disingenuous and don't want people to know the truth.  ProSense   Sep-05-09 11:40 AM   #2 
     - And it does get exhausting trying to bring them back on board  Peacetrain   Sep-05-09 02:37 PM   #62 
  - The naysayers/pessimists tend to rule around here.  nevergiveup   Sep-05-09 11:45 AM   #3 
  - Well done, ProSense.  jefferson_dem   Sep-05-09 11:46 AM   #4 
  - Thank you!  Undercurrent   Sep-05-09 11:49 AM   #5 
  - They have an agenda  BklnDem75   Sep-05-09 11:51 AM   #6 
  - If tomorrow, he ended both wars, got us single payer, repealed DOMA & DADT, he would still be...  phleshdef   Sep-05-09 12:04 PM   #7 
  - Heh. I almost completely forgot about the whole "seal/close the deal" meme from the campaign  Proud Liberal Dem   Sep-05-09 12:48 PM   #28 
  - Evidently they're also afraid of facts  ProSense   Sep-05-09 12:17 PM   #17 
  - Seems that way  treestar   Sep-05-09 02:54 PM   #67 
  - "Remarks" and "statements" AREN'T GETTING IT DONE. Nice try, while the people SUFFER.  chimpymustgo   Sep-05-09 12:06 PM   #8 
  - These aren't just remarks and statements. What should he be doing?  ProSense   Sep-05-09 12:07 PM   #10 
  - Exactly! What else is he supposed to do?  Political Tiger   Sep-05-09 12:28 PM   #20 
  - He needs to get his grassroots motivated like he did  joeycola   Sep-05-09 12:33 PM   #21 
  - If you're that interested, you're going to have to pay attention  ProSense   Sep-05-09 12:40 PM   #23 
     - I know about those. But there is no passion anymore for Obama  joeycola   Sep-05-09 12:44 PM   #26 
        - You didn't know about those, or you wouldn't have made the statement you did.  ProSense   Sep-05-09 01:05 PM   #34 
  - He should be doing the POLITICAL heavy lifting to get Congress behind real reform.  chimpymustgo   Sep-05-09 02:19 PM   #54 
     - What political heavy lifting?  ProSense   Sep-05-09 02:23 PM   #55 
  - Yeah, leave it  Baltoman991   Sep-05-09 12:10 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-09 12:14 PM   #16 
  - Send me the link where Obama has the powers of a monarchistic King... Thanks!  zulchzulu   Sep-05-09 12:33 PM   #22 
  - The far left is as bad as the far right  treestar   Sep-05-09 02:32 PM   #59 
  - I knew this thread would be a cut -and -paste of SPEECHES ,  jonnyblitz   Sep-05-09 12:43 PM   #24 
  - Wheres the spinning? Its not Pro-Sense's fault that you don't understand the President's job.  phleshdef   Sep-05-09 01:07 PM   #36 
  - "SPINNNNNING by NoSense." Idiotic! n/t  ProSense   Sep-05-09 01:07 PM   #38 
  - I guess you need a hug. Missing bush are you.  Butch350   Sep-05-09 07:46 PM   #90 
  - Thats what a freakin' President DOES?!! He doesn't DICTATE bills!  phleshdef   Sep-05-09 01:06 PM   #35 
  - He hasn't really led. He's explained the principles of reform, the public option etc.  SemiCharmedQuark   Sep-05-09 12:07 PM   #9 
  - Congress is supposed to write the bill.  ProSense   Sep-05-09 12:09 PM   #11 
  - I think he needed to tell Congress specific things that HAD to be in the bill  SemiCharmedQuark   Sep-05-09 12:10 PM   #14 
     - He told them what should be in the bill. He isn't writing it. You keep insisting that he does.  ProSense   Sep-05-09 12:14 PM   #15 
        - thanks for once again compiling useful information.  Vattel   Sep-05-09 12:53 PM   #29 
           - Clinton.  ProSense   Sep-05-09 01:04 PM   #32 
              - Do you think he stands by that demand today?  Vattel   Sep-05-09 01:12 PM   #41 
              - Sorry, I can't read his mind. The OP contains the known facts. n/t  ProSense   Sep-05-09 01:14 PM   #43 
                 - Fair enough  Vattel   Sep-05-09 01:31 PM   #44 
              - So he's not going to sign it without a public option  treestar   Sep-05-09 02:59 PM   #71 
  - That is Congress' job?  treestar   Sep-05-09 02:56 PM   #69 
  - Another excellent OP. NT  Clio the Leo   Sep-05-09 12:10 PM   #12 
  - Thank you enormously for compling this information  Cha   Sep-05-09 12:23 PM   #18 
  - K & R and bookmarked! n/t  Political Tiger   Sep-05-09 12:26 PM   #19 
  - K & R! Boy, I'm tired of hearing people here say that over and over again  Proud Liberal Dem   Sep-05-09 12:44 PM   #25 
  - Good point  ProSense   Sep-05-09 12:59 PM   #31 
     - Thanks  Proud Liberal Dem   Sep-05-09 01:07 PM   #37 
  - Nice job, Prosense. It's a ridiculous and untrue argument.  Phx_Dem   Sep-05-09 12:48 PM   #27 
  - I'm sure Obama paid attention to what happened to Clinton and Kerry  Proud Liberal Dem   Sep-05-09 12:57 PM   #30 
  - Any "reform" that does NOT include a strong public option is a "SELL OUT" to the insurance industry.  Krashkopf   Sep-05-09 01:05 PM   #33 
  - Yea a LEADER would act like a dictator and make demands that result in no bill at all...  phleshdef   Sep-05-09 01:11 PM   #39 
  - Hey, if that's all it takes.  ProSense   Sep-05-09 01:13 PM   #42 
  - That IS all it would take . . .  Krashkopf   Sep-05-09 02:08 PM   #50 
     - "show me one place where he has actually said it!" Wait, are you the  ProSense   Sep-05-09 02:14 PM   #53 
  - Amen to that. n/t  Phx_Dem   Sep-05-09 01:56 PM   #47 
  - "Show...where...Obama says "Any reform congress sends me MUST...THAT is what a LEADER would do."  ProSense   Sep-05-09 01:11 PM   #40 
  - Very Close . . . but no cigar  Krashkopf   Sep-05-09 02:27 PM   # 
     - Sure, no cigar, just ignore the rest of the statement to justify the fact that you're wrong.  ProSense   Sep-05-09 02:51 PM   #64 
        - So are you going to come here to admit it if we get sold out?  Krashkopf   Sep-05-09 02:54 PM   #68 
           - Don't ask me to join your stupid game. n/t  ProSense   Sep-05-09 03:00 PM   #73 
              - I take that to be a "No." Why am I not surprised.  Krashkopf   Sep-05-09 03:03 PM   #75 
                 - Take it however you want to, it's your stupid game. n/t  ProSense   Sep-05-09 03:21 PM   #78 
                    - That's the difference between you, and me . . .  Krashkopf   Sep-06-09 12:12 AM   #92 
  - A lot of people work in the insurance industry  treestar   Sep-05-09 02:29 PM   #57 
     - So what . . .  Krashkopf   Sep-05-09 02:36 PM   #61 
        - What about all the people who work for it?  treestar   Sep-05-09 02:52 PM   #66 
           - So . . . let them find a more "soul affirming" line of work  Krashkopf   Sep-05-09 03:02 PM   #74 
  - You sure are a Pro at spinning !  Mystayya   Sep-05-09 01:44 PM   #45 
  - Spinning? Don't use words you don't know the meaning of.  ProSense   Sep-05-09 01:47 PM   #46 
  - Thank you for what you do here at DU......  FrenchieCat   Sep-05-09 01:57 PM   #48 
  - 2nd that!!! n/t  yowzayowzayowza   Sep-05-09 07:29 PM   #88 
  - There's a difference between "leading" and "leading effectively"  depakid   Sep-05-09 02:06 PM   #49 
  - Even with the qualifier "effectively"  ProSense   Sep-05-09 02:11 PM   #52 
     - Effective leadership acheives preset goal, controls the agenda and frames the debate  depakid   Sep-05-09 02:31 PM   #58 
        - Yes, one can.  ProSense   Sep-05-09 02:38 PM   #63 
           - Not honestly  depakid   Sep-05-09 02:51 PM   #65 
              - "His (and the administration's) rhetoric has vacillated and been ineffective." What nonsense.  ProSense   Sep-05-09 02:56 PM   #70 
              - Exact thing my freeper friends say  treestar   Sep-05-09 03:00 PM   #72 
                 - That you have freeper friends says a lot  depakid   Sep-05-09 10:39 PM   #91 
  - No shit.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-05-09 02:10 PM   #51 
  - I never know what they mean by "lead" anyway  treestar   Sep-05-09 02:27 PM   #56 
  - Many posters seem to think that the President is a dicator.  Odin2005   Sep-05-09 02:32 PM   #60 
  - Poll: Most Don't Know What "Public Option" Is -- Including Pollsters  ipaint   Sep-05-09 03:13 PM   #76 
  - Poll: "Six in 10 people... say they understand most of the major points in Obama's reform proposals"  ProSense   Sep-05-09 03:20 PM   #77 
     - And what will happen when this isn't in any bill?  ipaint   Sep-05-09 03:38 PM   #81 
        - So instead of admitting that you didn't understand what you posted, you ask me to predict  ProSense   Sep-05-09 03:44 PM   #82 
           - I understood what I posted and what you posted.  ipaint   Sep-05-09 04:02 PM   #83 
              - "What does Obama mean when he uses the term public option" Why ask me, can't you read the OP? n/t  ProSense   Sep-05-09 05:27 PM   #84 
                 - One can't lead if they are unable define the policy they are advocating for  ipaint   Sep-05-09 05:51 PM   #87 
  - thanks  HopeOverFear   Sep-05-09 03:24 PM   #79 
  - Kicked and Recommended! nt  NYC_SKP   Sep-05-09 03:33 PM   #80 
  - How long would it have taken to draft a bill and send it to Congress?  rug   Sep-05-09 05:33 PM   #85 
  - The lack of leadership has been in the Senate.  chieftain   Sep-05-09 05:42 PM   #86 
  - Can I get a link to that info?  Butch350   Sep-05-09 07:42 PM   #89 

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