SemiCharmedQuark
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Sat Sep-05-09 12:07 PM
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| 9. He hasn't really led. He's explained the principles of reform, the public option etc. |
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But he allowed Congress to write the bills.
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| -The claim that Obama hasn't led on health care is completely bogus |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 11:32 AM |
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Thank you for this. People sayin he needs to lead don't even know what THEY mean by that. |
phleshdef |
Sep-05-09 11:36 AM |
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No, they are disingenuous and don't want people to know the truth. |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 11:40 AM |
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And it does get exhausting trying to bring them back on board |
Peacetrain |
Sep-05-09 02:37 PM |
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The naysayers/pessimists tend to rule around here. |
nevergiveup |
Sep-05-09 11:45 AM |
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Well done, ProSense. |
jefferson_dem |
Sep-05-09 11:46 AM |
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Thank you! |
Undercurrent |
Sep-05-09 11:49 AM |
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They have an agenda |
BklnDem75 |
Sep-05-09 11:51 AM |
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If tomorrow, he ended both wars, got us single payer, repealed DOMA & DADT, he would still be... |
phleshdef |
Sep-05-09 12:04 PM |
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Heh. I almost completely forgot about the whole "seal/close the deal" meme from the campaign |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Sep-05-09 12:48 PM |
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Evidently they're also afraid of facts |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 12:17 PM |
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Seems that way |
treestar |
Sep-05-09 02:54 PM |
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"Remarks" and "statements" AREN'T GETTING IT DONE. Nice try, while the people SUFFER. |
chimpymustgo |
Sep-05-09 12:06 PM |
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These aren't just remarks and statements. What should he be doing? |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 12:07 PM |
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Exactly! What else is he supposed to do? |
Political Tiger |
Sep-05-09 12:28 PM |
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He needs to get his grassroots motivated like he did |
joeycola |
Sep-05-09 12:33 PM |
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If you're that interested, you're going to have to pay attention |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 12:40 PM |
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I know about those. But there is no passion anymore for Obama |
joeycola |
Sep-05-09 12:44 PM |
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You didn't know about those, or you wouldn't have made the statement you did. |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 01:05 PM |
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He should be doing the POLITICAL heavy lifting to get Congress behind real reform. |
chimpymustgo |
Sep-05-09 02:19 PM |
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What political heavy lifting? |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 02:23 PM |
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Yeah, leave it |
Baltoman991 |
Sep-05-09 12:10 PM |
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Name removed |
Sep-05-09 12:14 PM |
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Send me the link where Obama has the powers of a monarchistic King... Thanks! |
zulchzulu |
Sep-05-09 12:33 PM |
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The far left is as bad as the far right |
treestar |
Sep-05-09 02:32 PM |
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I knew this thread would be a cut -and -paste of SPEECHES , |
jonnyblitz |
Sep-05-09 12:43 PM |
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Wheres the spinning? Its not Pro-Sense's fault that you don't understand the President's job. |
phleshdef |
Sep-05-09 01:07 PM |
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"SPINNNNNING by NoSense." Idiotic! n/t |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 01:07 PM |
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I guess you need a hug. Missing bush are you. |
Butch350 |
Sep-05-09 07:46 PM |
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Thats what a freakin' President DOES?!! He doesn't DICTATE bills! |
phleshdef |
Sep-05-09 01:06 PM |
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He hasn't really led. He's explained the principles of reform, the public option etc. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Sep-05-09 12:07 PM |
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Congress is supposed to write the bill. |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 12:09 PM |
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I think he needed to tell Congress specific things that HAD to be in the bill |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Sep-05-09 12:10 PM |
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He told them what should be in the bill. He isn't writing it. You keep insisting that he does. |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 12:14 PM |
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thanks for once again compiling useful information. |
Vattel |
Sep-05-09 12:53 PM |
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Clinton. |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 01:04 PM |
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Do you think he stands by that demand today? |
Vattel |
Sep-05-09 01:12 PM |
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Sorry, I can't read his mind. The OP contains the known facts. n/t |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 01:14 PM |
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Fair enough |
Vattel |
Sep-05-09 01:31 PM |
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So he's not going to sign it without a public option |
treestar |
Sep-05-09 02:59 PM |
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That is Congress' job? |
treestar |
Sep-05-09 02:56 PM |
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Another excellent OP. NT |
Clio the Leo |
Sep-05-09 12:10 PM |
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Thank you enormously for compling this information |
Cha |
Sep-05-09 12:23 PM |
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K & R and bookmarked! n/t |
Political Tiger |
Sep-05-09 12:26 PM |
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K & R! Boy, I'm tired of hearing people here say that over and over again |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Sep-05-09 12:44 PM |
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Good point |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 12:59 PM |
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Thanks |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Sep-05-09 01:07 PM |
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Nice job, Prosense. It's a ridiculous and untrue argument. |
Phx_Dem |
Sep-05-09 12:48 PM |
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I'm sure Obama paid attention to what happened to Clinton and Kerry |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Sep-05-09 12:57 PM |
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Any "reform" that does NOT include a strong public option is a "SELL OUT" to the insurance industry. |
Krashkopf |
Sep-05-09 01:05 PM |
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Yea a LEADER would act like a dictator and make demands that result in no bill at all... |
phleshdef |
Sep-05-09 01:11 PM |
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Hey, if that's all it takes. |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 01:13 PM |
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That IS all it would take . . . |
Krashkopf |
Sep-05-09 02:08 PM |
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"show me one place where he has actually said it!" Wait, are you the |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 02:14 PM |
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Amen to that. n/t |
Phx_Dem |
Sep-05-09 01:56 PM |
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"Show...where...Obama says "Any reform congress sends me MUST...THAT is what a LEADER would do." |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 01:11 PM |
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Very Close . . . but no cigar |
Krashkopf |
Sep-05-09 02:27 PM |
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Sure, no cigar, just ignore the rest of the statement to justify the fact that you're wrong. |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 02:51 PM |
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So are you going to come here to admit it if we get sold out? |
Krashkopf |
Sep-05-09 02:54 PM |
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Don't ask me to join your stupid game. n/t |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 03:00 PM |
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I take that to be a "No." Why am I not surprised. |
Krashkopf |
Sep-05-09 03:03 PM |
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Take it however you want to, it's your stupid game. n/t |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 03:21 PM |
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That's the difference between you, and me . . . |
Krashkopf |
Sep-06-09 12:12 AM |
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A lot of people work in the insurance industry |
treestar |
Sep-05-09 02:29 PM |
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So what . . . |
Krashkopf |
Sep-05-09 02:36 PM |
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What about all the people who work for it? |
treestar |
Sep-05-09 02:52 PM |
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So . . . let them find a more "soul affirming" line of work |
Krashkopf |
Sep-05-09 03:02 PM |
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You sure are a Pro at spinning ! |
Mystayya |
Sep-05-09 01:44 PM |
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Spinning? Don't use words you don't know the meaning of. |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 01:47 PM |
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Thank you for what you do here at DU...... |
FrenchieCat |
Sep-05-09 01:57 PM |
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2nd that!!! n/t |
yowzayowzayowza |
Sep-05-09 07:29 PM |
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There's a difference between "leading" and "leading effectively" |
depakid |
Sep-05-09 02:06 PM |
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Even with the qualifier "effectively" |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 02:11 PM |
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Effective leadership acheives preset goal, controls the agenda and frames the debate |
depakid |
Sep-05-09 02:31 PM |
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Yes, one can. |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 02:38 PM |
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Not honestly |
depakid |
Sep-05-09 02:51 PM |
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"His (and the administration's) rhetoric has vacillated and been ineffective." What nonsense. |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 02:56 PM |
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Exact thing my freeper friends say |
treestar |
Sep-05-09 03:00 PM |
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That you have freeper friends says a lot |
depakid |
Sep-05-09 10:39 PM |
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No shit. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Sep-05-09 02:10 PM |
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I never know what they mean by "lead" anyway |
treestar |
Sep-05-09 02:27 PM |
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Many posters seem to think that the President is a dicator. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-05-09 02:32 PM |
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Poll: Most Don't Know What "Public Option" Is -- Including Pollsters |
ipaint |
Sep-05-09 03:13 PM |
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Poll: "Six in 10 people... say they understand most of the major points in Obama's reform proposals" |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 03:20 PM |
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And what will happen when this isn't in any bill? |
ipaint |
Sep-05-09 03:38 PM |
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So instead of admitting that you didn't understand what you posted, you ask me to predict |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 03:44 PM |
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I understood what I posted and what you posted. |
ipaint |
Sep-05-09 04:02 PM |
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"What does Obama mean when he uses the term public option" Why ask me, can't you read the OP? n/t |
ProSense |
Sep-05-09 05:27 PM |
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One can't lead if they are unable define the policy they are advocating for |
ipaint |
Sep-05-09 05:51 PM |
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thanks |
HopeOverFear |
Sep-05-09 03:24 PM |
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Kicked and Recommended! nt |
NYC_SKP |
Sep-05-09 03:33 PM |
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How long would it have taken to draft a bill and send it to Congress? |
rug |
Sep-05-09 05:33 PM |
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The lack of leadership has been in the Senate. |
chieftain |
Sep-05-09 05:42 PM |
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Can I get a link to that info? |
Butch350 |
Sep-05-09 07:42 PM |
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