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Response to Reply #5
8. Absolutely ridiculous conclusion, given
the rest of the statement:

"...we'll see whether or not we can do enough to make good happen out of this. And you can't make that measurement today. We have to go down that road.
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  -Kerry: "Teddy was in favor of a public plan and...would've fought for a public plan on the floor..." ProSense  Aug-30-09 09:52 AM   #0 
  - True - any REAL DEM would fight his/her heart out for a public option. nt  polichick   Aug-30-09 09:53 AM   #1 
  - It's disgusting the way corpmedia is trying to change what was clearly stated - their agenda  blm   Aug-30-09 11:05 AM   #7 
     - Exactly.  ObamaKerryDem   Sep-01-09 03:26 PM   #141 
  - Thank you. +1  Avalux   Aug-30-09 10:00 AM   #2 
  - I would truly love to see  Iwillnevergiveup   Aug-30-09 10:16 AM   #3 
  - he co-opted triangulation to play both sides no matter how dishonest one side is...  blm   Aug-30-09 12:35 PM   #27 
  - kicked  Teaser   Aug-30-09 10:51 AM   #4 
  - "if and when we get to the point that we can't get there -"  grassfed   Aug-30-09 10:54 AM   #5 
  - Absolutely ridiculous conclusion, given  ProSense   Aug-30-09 11:16 AM   #8 
  - "And you CAN'T MAKE THAT MEASUREMENT TODAY." Corpmedia wants to twist perfectly clear statements.  blm   Aug-30-09 11:25 AM   #10 
  - Kerry said we should "make good out of this..."  grassfed   Aug-30-09 01:25 PM   #33 
     - There was no "even if it means no Public Option" in Kerry's statement  ProSense   Aug-30-09 01:32 PM   #34 
     - First, this is not what Kerry said. Second, Bill Moyers can pay for his healthcare.  Mass   Aug-30-09 01:53 PM   #35 
     - moyers  grassfed   Aug-30-09 02:52 PM   #43 
     - I have no problem with what he says except that he says no other bill is acceptable.  Mass   Aug-30-09 02:59 PM   #44 
        - I've been accused on this thread of being a "corpmedia troll"  grassfed   Aug-30-09 03:24 PM   #46 
     - Have you ever applied for SCHIP?  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 09:47 PM   #87 
        - My kids have healthcare BECAUSE of SCHIP.  Mass   Aug-30-09 10:45 PM   #91 
           - I'm glad your kids are alive.  Jakes Progress   Aug-31-09 07:57 AM   #104 
              - So, you think Kennedy and others should have refused SCHIP .  Mass   Aug-31-09 08:26 AM   #109 
              - Just to make it clear, here is my position.  Mass   Aug-31-09 08:41 AM   # 
                 - I can't disagree with most of your position.  Jakes Progress   Aug-31-09 10:16 AM   #112 
     - That's pretty much the way I read it too.  GreenArrow   Aug-30-09 01:55 PM   #36 
     - None of what you are saying is in what Kerry said  karynnj   Aug-30-09 04:56 PM   #55 
        - Kerry's arguing for it to save face, Rahm made a deal with Pharma  grassfed   Aug-30-09 04:59 PM   #57 
           - Now, you're not making any sense.  ProSense   Aug-30-09 05:05 PM   #58 
              - Kerry asserts that there are acceptable alternatives to the Public Option  grassfed   Aug-30-09 05:14 PM   #61 
                 - Point to where Kerry's statement said there are "acceptable alternatives to the Public Option"  ProSense   Aug-30-09 05:42 PM   #64 
                    - acceptable outcomes - lemonade with no PO  grassfed   Aug-30-09 05:46 PM   #65 
                       - You still haven't pointed to where he said "acceptable outcomes to the public option"? Where? n/t  ProSense   Aug-30-09 05:48 PM   #66 
                          - Interpret as you like  grassfed   Aug-30-09 05:55 PM   #67 
                             - Where does it say "acceptable outcomes to the public option"? Where?  ProSense   Aug-30-09 06:23 PM   #69 
                                - tavolo da cucina  grassfed   Aug-30-09 07:24 PM   #73 
                                   - +1  paulk   Aug-30-09 07:30 PM   #75 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-09 08:37 PM   #79 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-09 08:40 PM   #80 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-09 11:53 AM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-09 11:57 AM   #16 
  - Can you read?  Inuca   Aug-30-09 12:49 PM   #29 
  - You take HALF a sentence and make it mean what it doesn't???  karynnj   Aug-30-09 04:44 PM   #51 
     - thanks for agreeing with me  grassfed   Aug-30-09 04:54 PM   #54 
        - I don't agree with you that Kerry suggests anything of the sort  karynnj   Aug-30-09 10:49 PM   #93 
  - K & R!  Dinger   Aug-30-09 10:55 AM   #6 
  - Agreed. Kerry should know better.  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 11:20 AM   #9 
  - This makes no sense  TayTay   Aug-30-09 11:47 AM   #13 
  - Perfectly put, thank you n/t  Inuca   Aug-30-09 12:52 PM   #30 
  - Perfectly naive, that is. nt  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 02:09 PM   #38 
  - Then I would like to sell you some real estate.  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 02:08 PM   #37 
  - Do you think  Inuca   Aug-30-09 02:13 PM   #39 
  - Do you think  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 02:31 PM   #40 
     - He did not say Kennedy WANTED to compromise  Inuca   Aug-30-09 03:06 PM   #45 
     - It's the same thing. It sounds  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 04:08 PM   #47 
        - "would not be upset to have public option given away"? How do you read it that way?  MH1   Aug-30-09 04:50 PM   #53 
        - lemonade from lemons, corporate friendly co-opts from medicare for all  grassfed   Aug-30-09 04:57 PM   #56 
        - Sounds like all these guys  Jakes Progress   Aug-31-09 08:19 AM   #108 
           - No - you are the one who thinks it's a game  karynnj   Sep-01-09 11:59 PM   #155 
        - What I want? What I want?  Jakes Progress   Aug-31-09 08:17 AM   #107 
        - no it doesn't  karynnj   Sep-01-09 11:51 PM   #154 
     - That's not what he said  karynnj   Aug-30-09 05:25 PM   #63 
        - What he said  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 07:25 PM   #74 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-09 08:58 PM   #81 
           - Still can't answer a simple question.  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 09:23 PM   #82 
              - Missing every nuance and remaining purposefully ignorant. - this sounds more like you  karynnj   Aug-30-09 11:03 PM   #97 
           - thank you...  grassfed   Aug-30-09 10:24 PM   #90 
           - Did you bother to read the question he was asked?  karynnj   Aug-30-09 11:01 PM   #96 
              - Kerry has been in politics for many years.  Jakes Progress   Aug-31-09 08:11 AM   #106 
                 - Neither - he gave a rational, honest answer to the question  karynnj   Aug-31-09 09:54 PM   #128 
                    - **crickets** n/t  politicasista   Sep-01-09 11:40 AM   #135 
                    - The poster is very complementary of both  politicasista   Sep-01-09 11:43 AM   #136 
                       - Exactly  karynnj   Sep-01-09 12:22 PM   #137 
                          - Excellent post  politicasista   Sep-01-09 11:48 PM   #153 
  - You can't sell spin, who would buy real estate from you? "I don't understand your post." What Kerry  ProSense   Aug-30-09 02:42 PM   #41 
     - Look.  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 04:26 PM   #48 
        - Do you just talk to yourself?  ProSense   Aug-30-09 04:37 PM   #50 
           - I will, if necessary, connect the dots for you.  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 07:18 PM   #70 
              - "I voted for Kerry. I campaigned for Kerry." Who cares?  ProSense   Aug-30-09 07:20 PM   #72 
                 - Again. So short. so.....without any merit of thought at all.  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 09:32 PM   #85 
                    - Get over yourself - Prosense has had some of the best threads on this board - you, not so much  karynnj   Aug-30-09 11:10 PM   #98 
                       - Mine wasn't the kneejerk reaction  Jakes Progress   Aug-31-09 08:08 AM   #105 
                          - Should Kennedy have compromised Kerry/Kennedy in 1997?  karynnj   Aug-31-09 09:48 PM   #127 
  - Absolutely. Our government is all about compromise and moving forward with postive change. n/t  wisteria   Aug-30-09 09:25 PM   #84 
  - Agreed? Obviously, you're confused.  ProSense   Aug-30-09 12:01 PM   #18 
  - Sorry you don't see it.  Jakes Progress   Aug-30-09 04:32 PM   #49 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-30-09 04:47 PM   #52 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-30-09 07:19 PM   #71 
     - I read it that way, too, especially in light of what Reid said  paulk   Aug-30-09 07:55 PM   #76 
  - Did you read the OP, which included what Kerry said - or did you just see Kerry's name.  karynnj   Aug-30-09 05:09 PM   #60 
  - K&R to fight the distortion of his words  jenmito   Aug-30-09 11:31 AM   #11 
  - Corpmedia has a few minions on DU furthering blatant lies against Dems even though  blm   Aug-30-09 11:43 AM   #12 
     - I wonder why they're allowed to keep posting here...  jenmito   Aug-30-09 11:50 AM   #14 
        - I honestly wonder the same thing  AuntPatsy   Aug-30-09 12:00 PM   #17 
        - It's time for some concerted action about this  Teaser   Aug-30-09 12:04 PM   #20 
           - Once a transcript PROVES the error in a post or article, it should be taken down.  blm   Aug-30-09 12:13 PM   #21 
           - I agree they seemingly no longer care to remain behind false words...  AuntPatsy   Aug-30-09 12:14 PM   #22 
        - You and me both.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Aug-31-09 09:26 AM   #111 
  - k so this stays above the other one (sigh)  AuntPatsy   Aug-30-09 12:03 PM   #19 
  - Sen Kennedys' desire was to have the letter to the pope read..health care was his goal for all..  AuntPatsy   Aug-30-09 12:15 PM   #23 
  - He fought BEYOND the end  Inuca   Aug-30-09 12:55 PM   #31 
  - And the sun comes up in the morning, the sky is blue and fire is hot  TayTay   Aug-30-09 12:23 PM   #24 
  - probably only posted because a twisted version was posted earlier  MH1   Aug-30-09 12:35 PM   #26 
  - The transcripts prove the distortions in that post, so it's time for it to sink or be pulled.  blm   Aug-30-09 12:45 PM   #28 
  - right, go on tv and say you'll fight for something but will accept less, real smart strategy.  grassfed   Aug-30-09 05:23 PM   #62 
     - that's not what was actually said - that's what YOU said.  blm   Sep-01-09 02:37 PM   #139 
  - "whether or not we can do enough to make good happen out of this"  MH1   Aug-30-09 12:34 PM   #25 
  - It's always amazing how people can make waves by stating the obvious.  Mass   Aug-30-09 01:12 PM   #32 
  - They throw anyone under the bus who is not "pure" enough  Jennicut   Aug-31-09 07:09 AM   #103 
  - Very strongly recommended.  saltpoint   Aug-30-09 02:46 PM   #42 
  - I agree.  TayTay   Aug-30-09 08:24 PM   #77 
  - Leadership needs to get tough with our 'Conservadems' and make sure they vote for cloture--or else.  flpoljunkie   Aug-30-09 05:05 PM   #59 
  - kick  jenmito   Aug-30-09 06:01 PM   #68 
  - kick again  jenmito   Aug-30-09 08:33 PM   #78 
  - ProSense deserves a raise!  politicasista   Aug-30-09 09:23 PM   #83 
  - I agree  TayTay   Aug-30-09 09:45 PM   #86 
  - Yep she is  politicasista   Aug-30-09 09:49 PM   #88 
  - I agree too  karynnj   Aug-30-09 11:16 PM   #100 
  - I agree.  Mass   Aug-30-09 10:51 PM   #94 
     - Bingo  politicasista   Aug-30-09 10:53 PM   #95 
  - "Fight"? Where did John Kerry pick that word up?  burning rain   Aug-30-09 09:52 PM   #89 
  - Not sure. Before you were born is my guess.  Mass   Aug-30-09 10:48 PM   #92 
  - Kerry has fought for his country as a soldier, then as an activist,  karynnj   Aug-30-09 11:13 PM   #99 
  - From brave internet warriors like yourself, surely.  Forkboy   Aug-31-09 01:20 AM   #102 
  - I'm much too modest to suggest he got that word from me.  burning rain   Aug-31-09 12:52 PM   #114 
  - You're much too something.  Forkboy   Aug-31-09 03:16 PM   #117 
  - Some on DU always talk a good game on how to fight  politicasista   Aug-31-09 10:19 PM   #131 
  - That was YOU uncovering IranContra, Iraqgate, S&L crimes, CIA drugrunning, BCCI and fighting for  blm   Aug-31-09 08:41 AM   #110 
     - Don't forget the many achievements of his presidency...  burning rain   Aug-31-09 12:57 PM   #115 
        - That DNC never secured vote process in 4yrs after 2000 theft means you can pretend Kerry's senate  blm   Aug-31-09 01:04 PM   #116 
           - If Obama had campaigned the way Kerry did in 2004,...  burning rain   Aug-31-09 03:31 PM   #119 
              - Pure revisionism. Clinton didn't fight half as hard as Kerry did. He didn't have to - Bush needed to  blm   Aug-31-09 06:42 PM   #124 
              - You need to go back & look at the 1992 DNC.  burning rain   Aug-31-09 07:15 PM   #126 
                 - Baloney - In 92 Dems were unified against Bush. In 2004 the best known Dems were siding WITH Bush2  blm   Sep-01-09 08:46 AM   #133 
                    - I notice you don't choose to address the point...  burning rain   Sep-01-09 02:35 PM   #138 
                       - YOU don't address the point - 04 was Bush at strongest point thanks to Clinton Dems supporting Bush  blm   Sep-01-09 02:44 PM   #140 
                          - The Clintonites-backstabbed-Kerry bit isn't a good line.  burning rain   Sep-01-09 04:34 PM   #142 
                             - Clinton's entire BOOKTOUR was spent vigorously DEFENDING Bush on his terrorism and Iraq decisions  blm   Sep-01-09 04:52 PM   #143 
                             - BCCI did not hurt George H. W. Bush during the 1992 race to any significant extent.  burning rain   Sep-01-09 07:28 PM   #145 
                                - The BCCI report was coming OUT in Dec1992 AFTER the election, time-genius.  blm   Sep-02-09 08:26 AM   #166 
                             - Wow, what a comment.  ProSense   Sep-01-09 05:00 PM   #144 
                             - I agree with what you wrote.  burning rain   Sep-01-09 08:17 PM   #146 
                                - See, I take issue with this characterization:  ProSense   Sep-01-09 10:31 PM   #148 
                                - With Kerry you have to be satisfied with a dry, stiff, distant cerebral guy.  burning rain   Sep-01-09 10:55 PM   #149 
                                   - Again, that's just RW noise.  ProSense   Sep-01-09 11:01 PM   #150 
                                   - Certainly, Bill Clinton lost it a lot in the primaries.  burning rain   Sep-01-09 11:38 PM   #151 
                                      - Actually that is the issue.  ProSense   Sep-01-09 11:46 PM   #152 
                                      - Most people don't meet most politicians face-to-face.  burning rain   Sep-02-09 12:11 AM   #156 
                                      - We're talking about campaigning and the reality of who a person is.  ProSense   Sep-02-09 12:23 AM   #157 
                                      - I've seen any number of his speeches and appearances.  burning rain   Sep-02-09 01:10 AM   #163 
                                      - Did you like how Clinton showed up in 2003-4 to support and defend Bush during that campaign?  blm   Sep-02-09 08:33 AM   #168 
                                   - Have you ever seen Kerry in person?  karynnj   Sep-02-09 12:55 AM   #161 
                                - The 2008 primaries were a rejection of the Clintons  karynnj   Sep-02-09 12:47 AM   #160 
                                - **crickets**  politicasista   Sep-03-09 12:34 AM   #176 
                                - CLINTONS FUCKED OVER all of us in 2003-4 by DEFENDING BUSH VIGOROUSLY or did you forget that?  blm   Sep-02-09 08:30 AM   #167 
                             - The Clintons were not hauled over the coals in the 2003/2004 primaries  karynnj   Sep-02-09 12:33 AM   #159 
              - Elections are not duplicate bridge  karynnj   Sep-02-09 12:23 AM   #158 
  - A goodnight kick  politicasista   Aug-30-09 11:18 PM   #101 
  - kick to counter misinformation  jenmito   Aug-31-09 11:12 AM   #113 
  - No one will be Ted, but I think Kerry can carry his mantle  mvd   Aug-31-09 03:19 PM   #118 
  - I like Conason's version better.  Jakes Progress   Aug-31-09 04:59 PM   #120 
  - Conason:  ProSense   Aug-31-09 05:17 PM   #121 
     - Yep. Kerry is a good man.  Jakes Progress   Aug-31-09 05:23 PM   #122 
        - he answered the question honestly about how Kennedy would proceed...YOU would answer differently  blm   Aug-31-09 06:48 PM   #125 
           - New to politics?  Jakes Progress   Aug-31-09 09:59 PM   #129 
              - unconscionable  grassfed   Aug-31-09 10:28 PM   #132 
              - New to media? Steph replies that YOU didn't answer the question...HOW would Kennedy proceed once  blm   Sep-01-09 11:29 AM   #134 
                 - exactly - evading a question as Jake did just gets it repeated  karynnj   Sep-02-09 01:01 AM   #162 
                 - He did look bad.  Jakes Progress   Sep-02-09 03:53 AM   #165 
                    - Looked bad only to those inclined to feed into the distortion and exaggerate it.  blm   Sep-02-09 09:13 AM   #170 
                    - Oh well. If you need MSM doesn't explain it to you  Jakes Progress   Sep-02-09 04:48 PM   #174 
                    - Still diagree - and am not naive about politics  karynnj   Sep-02-09 11:26 AM   #171 
                       - Still disagree. And yes naive is the best word. nt  Jakes Progress   Sep-02-09 04:47 PM   #173 
                 - What about media don't you get? Why would you answer that question?  Jakes Progress   Sep-02-09 03:46 AM   #164 
                    - Senator Jake you are repeatedly dodging the question. Don't you get it yet that Democrats are NOT  blm   Sep-02-09 08:37 AM   #169 
                       - Don't watch much politics, go you?  Jakes Progress   Sep-02-09 04:45 PM   #172 
                          - You're going to an extreme when the question asked was a fair and timely question.  blm   Sep-03-09 06:23 AM   #177 
                             - So you trust msm and I don't.  Jakes Progress   Sep-03-09 09:52 AM   #178 
                                - That ONE question was fair - your breathless concern for an honest answer is absurd and childish.  blm   Sep-04-09 08:10 AM   #179 
  - Every DEM should be fighting their heart out for a public plan.  bigwillq   Aug-31-09 06:38 PM   #123 
  - We should be fighting our hearts out for a plan that gives everyone access to healthcare  dflprincess   Sep-01-09 10:15 PM   #147 
  - A Monday night kick against the spin n/t  politicasista   Aug-31-09 10:14 PM   #130 
  - Hump day evening kick n/t  politicasista   Sep-02-09 04:54 PM   #175 
 

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