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Sat Aug-22-09 10:49 AM
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| 40. To improve education, or at least the part dealing with the instructors, |
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the plan for improvement must be tied to performance. As opposed to simply requiring this, or requiring that. There must be some gauge of the instructors' performances over a period of time. It doesn't necessarily have to be a test, but it could be. It could also simply be statistics showing improvement in drop-out rates, or college attendance rates, etc.
Teachers quite naturally, just like the rest of us, would not be in favor of plans examining their performance, if they don't have to have such a plan. I get evaluated every year, sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly. My raise (if any) is based on those evaluations, as well as hours billed (I bill for my time). If I had MY way, I'd get a raise every year based on my tenure, attendance, ability to get along with others, etc. I suppose that's human nature.
In the business world, businesses tend to improve their employees' performances by tying it to performance evaluations of one sort or another.
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| -Obama sits down at the the table with Corporate America, gives them our public schools |
brentspeak |
Aug-21-09 11:13 PM |
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You, and WaPo? There's a winning combo. How else can you |
babylonsister |
Aug-21-09 11:15 PM |
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Do you have children? |
waiting for hope |
Aug-21-09 11:16 PM |
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If she ever does comment on subject matter, you should mark the calendar and alert the media. n/t |
QC |
Aug-22-09 08:15 AM |
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Yes, grown kids, and grandkids, some who are being home-schooled. |
babylonsister |
Aug-22-09 09:34 AM |
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Why are you always attacking DU'ers and now the school teachers. |
Better Believe It |
Aug-23-09 09:13 AM |
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Because she has nothing of value to add |
Clintonista2 |
Aug-26-09 03:54 PM |
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Its very sad the DU members can not have a civil discussion without |
joeycola |
Aug-30-09 05:47 PM |
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+1 |
stevenleser |
Aug-22-09 08:55 AM |
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the NEA? |
paulk |
Aug-24-09 08:46 AM |
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On the New & Improved DU, unions are very, very bad. |
QC |
Aug-24-09 08:49 AM |
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it's been kind of fascinating |
paulk |
Aug-24-09 10:13 AM |
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Well, "fascinating" is one way to describe it. |
QC |
Aug-24-09 10:51 AM |
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it's almost like this... |
paulk |
Aug-24-09 11:39 AM |
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More like this. |
QC |
Aug-24-09 12:31 PM |
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Yup (nt) |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 12:34 PM |
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Supporting labor does not mean assuming all unions are unselfish, benevolent organizations. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:36 PM |
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Charter schools are PUBLIC schools, but attaching teacher evaluation to standardized test results is |
RBInMaine |
Aug-22-09 03:19 PM |
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Public School Money without The Accountability |
Dinger |
Aug-23-09 07:01 PM |
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Where is there no "accountability" ? Graduation rates? College-acceptance rates? SAT scores? |
WinkyDink |
Aug-23-09 07:19 PM |
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I will home school before I send my child to |
waiting for hope |
Aug-21-09 11:15 PM |
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I will send my child to a charter school before I home school. |
boppers |
Aug-21-09 11:36 PM |
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Public schools don't have "trained, professional" teachers? |
brentspeak |
Aug-21-09 11:49 PM |
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Public schools often have some "trained, professional" teachers, too. |
boppers |
Aug-22-09 12:11 AM |
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"how would you know how teachers teach inside...a charter or magnet " You're against magnet schools? |
ProSense |
Aug-22-09 09:47 AM |
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I never said I was against magnet schools |
brentspeak |
Aug-22-09 10:07 AM |
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I was actively involved in Education for many years |
goclark |
Aug-23-09 03:25 PM |
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Assuaging the fears of parents about urban settings is important |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-30-09 03:37 PM |
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So, please tell me how a charter school |
waiting for hope |
Aug-22-09 12:23 AM |
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"Changing over to a system that is not designed to work everywhere"... |
boppers |
Aug-22-09 01:07 AM |
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"Students and superiors can fire bad apples" |
brentspeak |
Aug-22-09 09:31 AM |
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Dont be a tool |
Egnever |
Aug-22-09 09:46 AM |
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There were a couple of teachers from my high school easily fired for some things |
brentspeak |
Aug-22-09 10:02 AM |
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My wife isn't in the union |
Egnever |
Aug-22-09 10:26 AM |
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You weren't taught logical fallacies? |
boppers |
Aug-22-09 02:12 PM |
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And here come the "teachers can do no wrong" sycophants. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:44 PM |
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Then it's different all over - |
waiting for hope |
Aug-23-09 01:21 AM |
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Great question at the end of your post. |
boppers |
Aug-23-09 04:02 AM |
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+1 |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:39 PM |
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Kick - rec'd earlier.... |
waiting for hope |
Aug-21-09 11:17 PM |
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This is wrong |
texastoast |
Aug-21-09 11:18 PM |
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Well, I tried to recommend, but it stays below zero. |
madfloridian |
Aug-21-09 11:24 PM |
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I'm going to continue to kick - with me? |
waiting for hope |
Aug-21-09 11:29 PM |
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That's because, in addition to a lot of naive cheerleaders, the DLC/K-Street crowd work this site |
brentspeak |
Aug-21-09 11:31 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Aug-21-09 11:47 PM |
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That's a good article about who benefits from charter schools here. |
madfloridian |
Aug-21-09 11:53 PM |
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Chicago has had some success, and do need accountability for charters. Duncan wants more power to |
MarjorieG |
Aug-21-09 11:56 PM |
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How much are the professional posters being paid? |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-22-09 02:36 PM |
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Got any proof of your accusations? |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:48 PM |
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paranoia... thinking people are paid to post here, you have it |
dionysus |
Aug-23-09 11:27 AM |
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brentspeaks For Me |
Dinger |
Aug-23-09 07:49 PM |
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Many people around here hold teachers in contempt, |
QC |
Aug-22-09 08:20 AM |
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DUzy, |
Dinger |
Aug-23-09 07:49 PM |
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I've gotten them before, but that post certainly won't get one. |
QC |
Aug-24-09 08:51 AM |
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K and R. The administration's approach on education |
last_texas_dem |
Aug-21-09 11:30 PM |
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Kicking for content |
waiting for hope |
Aug-21-09 11:32 PM |
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"Attacks"? From the NEA statement |
ProSense |
Aug-21-09 11:38 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Aug-21-09 11:44 PM |
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it is an attack |
paulk |
Aug-22-09 10:34 AM |
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"It states that the Administration's goals are admirable but it's solutions are not." |
ProSense |
Aug-22-09 10:47 AM |
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oh, ok |
paulk |
Aug-22-09 11:43 AM |
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Clearly the NEA is in bed with the the Man. |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-22-09 02:37 PM |
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The stimulus saved billions for schools that would have been slashed in state budget cuts |
bluestateguy |
Aug-22-09 01:52 AM |
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Stimulus dollars for education are tied |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 02:06 PM |
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+1 |
QC |
Aug-22-09 02:53 PM |
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+2 |
paulk |
Aug-24-09 08:53 AM |
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Teachers don't like performance-related plans. So....what is THEIR plan to |
Honeycombe8 |
Aug-22-09 07:38 AM |
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"Performance-related programs are the only way to go" |
brentspeak |
Aug-22-09 09:23 AM |
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To improve education, or at least the part dealing with the instructors, |
Honeycombe8 |
Aug-22-09 10:49 AM |
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Teachers do get evaluated. |
QC |
Aug-22-09 11:10 AM |
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Good. Then teachers are okay with an education improvement plan based on evaluations? |
Honeycombe8 |
Aug-23-09 08:40 AM |
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Teachers are already evaluated. What most teachers do not want |
QC |
Aug-23-09 08:45 AM |
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The plan isn't stated to be that. The article says the NEA doesn't want performance |
Honeycombe8 |
Aug-23-09 09:07 AM |
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"Performance based plan," in practice, generally means test scores. |
QC |
Aug-23-09 09:29 AM |
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Was clear that performance wouldn't always be tests, but include other opinions/factors. |
MarjorieG |
Aug-22-09 02:55 PM |
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Teachers are constantly evaluated by everyone in the system. |
madfloridian |
Aug-22-09 11:58 AM |
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You are entirely ignorant. There are all kinds of "plans" all over the place. Here's some education |
RBInMaine |
Aug-22-09 03:40 PM |
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How about mandating LAZY, DYSFUNCTIONAL, INEFFECTIVE PARENTS to make their |
RBInMaine |
Aug-22-09 03:45 PM |
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+1 |
waiting for hope |
Aug-23-09 01:29 AM |
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+2 |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 09:58 AM |
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Gee, maybe those parents work 2.5 jobs and don't have the fucking time? |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:54 PM |
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WOW!!! What will you think of next????? |
amandabeech |
Aug-30-09 06:00 PM |
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Nice of you to ask. |
LWolf |
Aug-23-09 04:55 PM |
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And don't forget this one. The teacher comments at ED.gov offer... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-23-09 08:11 PM |
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Thanks for reminding me. |
LWolf |
Aug-23-09 10:09 PM |
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I know you do... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-23-09 10:22 PM |
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I Have One Too |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 11:46 AM |
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I read yours. It was very... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-24-09 06:37 PM |
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Excellent, As Always |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 09:59 AM |
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Many of these same posters were rightfully attacking cops sticking up for bad cops... |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:52 PM |
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question |
d_r |
Aug-22-09 08:43 AM |
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Not around here. Charter school = Publicly funded private school. |
QC |
Aug-22-09 08:53 AM |
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Charter schools here in Colorado can and do turn away SPED kids. |
donco6 |
Aug-22-09 10:02 AM |
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Here is the NEA on charter schools |
ProSense |
Aug-22-09 10:59 AM |
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That's odd. |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-22-09 02:42 PM |
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Not in either of the two states I've taught in. |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 02:09 PM |
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Not hard to be a great success when you can cherry pick |
QC |
Aug-22-09 02:12 PM |
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Exactly. nt |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 02:36 PM |
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I was worried about that. |
d_r |
Aug-22-09 05:03 PM |
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That's the purpose of the scheme--leaving the "bad kids" in the public schools |
QC |
Aug-22-09 05:09 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-22-09 08:55 AM |
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christ almighty. i'll give you points for sheer perserverance, and lack of shame. |
dionysus |
Aug-22-09 10:19 AM |
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do you support the NEA in this? |
paulk |
Aug-24-09 08:56 AM |
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That would mean he would have to do all that thinking thing. Ewwwh. nt |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-24-09 09:30 AM |
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Deleted message |
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Aug-22-09 11:03 AM |
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Gomer Norquist's proudest accomplishment |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-22-09 12:17 PM |
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It's amazing how much right wing propaganda has become conventional wisdom on DU. |
QC |
Aug-22-09 12:20 PM |
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And just like the dumber republicans |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-24-09 08:41 AM |
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You are exactly right. n/t |
QC |
Aug-24-09 02:44 PM |
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All teachers are perfect, all public schools are flawless, and nothing should change. |
boppers |
Aug-22-09 03:00 PM |
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No, that's not any better. |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 07:48 PM |
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Nor is it better to set up a 'straw man' simplistic argument... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-22-09 08:32 PM |
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OOOH. That was Norquist having another orgasm. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-24-09 08:39 AM |
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And if you didn't see it coming, you weren't paying attention. |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 01:58 PM |
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But he has his friend Arne Duncan |
joeycola |
Aug-30-09 05:51 PM |
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The NEA endorsed Obama knowing he supports charter schools, then whines when |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-22-09 02:14 PM |
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There was no one left to endorse, |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 07:54 PM |
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Not every union endorses a candidate in every race |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-23-09 06:12 PM |
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The NEA represents educators. We care about MANY issues... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-23-09 08:17 PM |
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That's not a very good analogy. |
LWolf |
Aug-23-09 09:58 PM |
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Why are you attacking the teachers and their labor union? |
Better Believe It |
Aug-23-09 09:14 AM |
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That's the hip thing to do around here lately. Shows how "pragmatic" one is. |
QC |
Aug-23-09 09:30 AM |
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Hope and change will see us through. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-24-09 09:52 AM |
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You are right, and here's an example. The author of this SD Union article always sides... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-23-09 02:47 PM |
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Does it really help teachers for their union to follow an ineffective political strategy? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-23-09 06:21 PM |
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You think they should have supported someone other than Obama in the election? |
Better Believe It |
Aug-23-09 06:30 PM |
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They certainly could have backed someone else in the primary |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-24-09 12:33 PM |
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Charter Schools: the End of America as We Know It. |
omega minimo |
Aug-23-09 06:52 PM |
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Second Thread On This: |
Dinger |
Aug-23-09 07:00 PM |
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Good. Now we need about a dozen more. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-24-09 08:43 AM |
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I Agree |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 10:21 AM |
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Sorry if I misunderstood. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-24-09 11:14 AM |
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Here Ya Go JP: |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 11:39 AM |
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The thing is that it's hard to believe it could get any worse in certain areas |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-24-09 09:02 AM |
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*FACEPLAM* |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:26 PM |
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Charter Schools are publicly funded PRIVATE schools - and are BAD BAD BAD!!! |
TankLV |
Aug-24-09 11:47 PM |
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Charter schools are public schools. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:57 PM |
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That's not an accurate statement. |
noamnety |
Aug-25-09 12:25 AM |
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Thank you. |
tunacan |
Aug-30-09 02:00 PM |
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Many Charter Schools are Publicly Funded and Do Not Select only the best students. |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-25-09 01:31 AM |
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Not only are charter schools all private and exclude black/special ed/poor students ... |
noamnety |
Aug-26-09 01:14 PM |
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Because certain special interests benefit from pushing the myth |
Odin2005 |
Aug-30-09 02:16 PM |
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All charters are publicly funded. |
LWolf |
Aug-30-09 03:29 PM |
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I know why this myth lives. |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-30-09 10:02 PM |
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