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| -Obama sits down at the the table with Corporate America, gives them our public schools |
brentspeak |
Aug-21-09 11:13 PM |
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You, and WaPo? There's a winning combo. How else can you |
babylonsister |
Aug-21-09 11:15 PM |
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Do you have children? |
waiting for hope |
Aug-21-09 11:16 PM |
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If she ever does comment on subject matter, you should mark the calendar and alert the media. n/t |
QC |
Aug-22-09 08:15 AM |
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Yes, grown kids, and grandkids, some who are being home-schooled. |
babylonsister |
Aug-22-09 09:34 AM |
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Why are you always attacking DU'ers and now the school teachers. |
Better Believe It |
Aug-23-09 09:13 AM |
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Because she has nothing of value to add |
Clintonista2 |
Aug-26-09 03:54 PM |
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Its very sad the DU members can not have a civil discussion without |
joeycola |
Aug-30-09 05:47 PM |
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+1 |
stevenleser |
Aug-22-09 08:55 AM |
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the NEA? |
paulk |
Aug-24-09 08:46 AM |
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On the New & Improved DU, unions are very, very bad. |
QC |
Aug-24-09 08:49 AM |
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it's been kind of fascinating |
paulk |
Aug-24-09 10:13 AM |
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Well, "fascinating" is one way to describe it. |
QC |
Aug-24-09 10:51 AM |
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it's almost like this... |
paulk |
Aug-24-09 11:39 AM |
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More like this. |
QC |
Aug-24-09 12:31 PM |
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Yup (nt) |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 12:34 PM |
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Supporting labor does not mean assuming all unions are unselfish, benevolent organizations. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:36 PM |
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Charter schools are PUBLIC schools, but attaching teacher evaluation to standardized test results is |
RBInMaine |
Aug-22-09 03:19 PM |
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Public School Money without The Accountability |
Dinger |
Aug-23-09 07:01 PM |
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Where is there no "accountability" ? Graduation rates? College-acceptance rates? SAT scores? |
WinkyDink |
Aug-23-09 07:19 PM |
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I will home school before I send my child to |
waiting for hope |
Aug-21-09 11:15 PM |
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I will send my child to a charter school before I home school. |
boppers |
Aug-21-09 11:36 PM |
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Public schools don't have "trained, professional" teachers? |
brentspeak |
Aug-21-09 11:49 PM |
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Public schools often have some "trained, professional" teachers, too. |
boppers |
Aug-22-09 12:11 AM |
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"how would you know how teachers teach inside...a charter or magnet " You're against magnet schools? |
ProSense |
Aug-22-09 09:47 AM |
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I never said I was against magnet schools |
brentspeak |
Aug-22-09 10:07 AM |
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I was actively involved in Education for many years |
goclark |
Aug-23-09 03:25 PM |
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Assuaging the fears of parents about urban settings is important |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-30-09 03:37 PM |
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So, please tell me how a charter school |
waiting for hope |
Aug-22-09 12:23 AM |
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"Changing over to a system that is not designed to work everywhere"... |
boppers |
Aug-22-09 01:07 AM |
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"Students and superiors can fire bad apples" |
brentspeak |
Aug-22-09 09:31 AM |
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Dont be a tool |
Egnever |
Aug-22-09 09:46 AM |
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There were a couple of teachers from my high school easily fired for some things |
brentspeak |
Aug-22-09 10:02 AM |
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My wife isn't in the union |
Egnever |
Aug-22-09 10:26 AM |
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You weren't taught logical fallacies? |
boppers |
Aug-22-09 02:12 PM |
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And here come the "teachers can do no wrong" sycophants. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:44 PM |
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Then it's different all over - |
waiting for hope |
Aug-23-09 01:21 AM |
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Great question at the end of your post. |
boppers |
Aug-23-09 04:02 AM |
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+1 |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:39 PM |
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Kick - rec'd earlier.... |
waiting for hope |
Aug-21-09 11:17 PM |
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This is wrong |
texastoast |
Aug-21-09 11:18 PM |
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Well, I tried to recommend, but it stays below zero. |
madfloridian |
Aug-21-09 11:24 PM |
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I'm going to continue to kick - with me? |
waiting for hope |
Aug-21-09 11:29 PM |
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That's because, in addition to a lot of naive cheerleaders, the DLC/K-Street crowd work this site |
brentspeak |
Aug-21-09 11:31 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-21-09 11:47 PM |
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That's a good article about who benefits from charter schools here. |
madfloridian |
Aug-21-09 11:53 PM |
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Chicago has had some success, and do need accountability for charters. Duncan wants more power to |
MarjorieG |
Aug-21-09 11:56 PM |
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How much are the professional posters being paid? |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-22-09 02:36 PM |
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Got any proof of your accusations? |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:48 PM |
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paranoia... thinking people are paid to post here, you have it |
dionysus |
Aug-23-09 11:27 AM |
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brentspeaks For Me |
Dinger |
Aug-23-09 07:49 PM |
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Many people around here hold teachers in contempt, |
QC |
Aug-22-09 08:20 AM |
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DUzy, |
Dinger |
Aug-23-09 07:49 PM |
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I've gotten them before, but that post certainly won't get one. |
QC |
Aug-24-09 08:51 AM |
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K and R. The administration's approach on education |
last_texas_dem |
Aug-21-09 11:30 PM |
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Kicking for content |
waiting for hope |
Aug-21-09 11:32 PM |
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"Attacks"? From the NEA statement |
ProSense |
Aug-21-09 11:38 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Aug-21-09 11:44 PM |
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it is an attack |
paulk |
Aug-22-09 10:34 AM |
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"It states that the Administration's goals are admirable but it's solutions are not." |
ProSense |
Aug-22-09 10:47 AM |
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oh, ok |
paulk |
Aug-22-09 11:43 AM |
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Clearly the NEA is in bed with the the Man. |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-22-09 02:37 PM |
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The stimulus saved billions for schools that would have been slashed in state budget cuts |
bluestateguy |
Aug-22-09 01:52 AM |
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Stimulus dollars for education are tied |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 02:06 PM |
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+1 |
QC |
Aug-22-09 02:53 PM |
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+2 |
paulk |
Aug-24-09 08:53 AM |
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Teachers don't like performance-related plans. So....what is THEIR plan to |
Honeycombe8 |
Aug-22-09 07:38 AM |
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"Performance-related programs are the only way to go" |
brentspeak |
Aug-22-09 09:23 AM |
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To improve education, or at least the part dealing with the instructors, |
Honeycombe8 |
Aug-22-09 10:49 AM |
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Teachers do get evaluated. |
QC |
Aug-22-09 11:10 AM |
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Good. Then teachers are okay with an education improvement plan based on evaluations? |
Honeycombe8 |
Aug-23-09 08:40 AM |
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Teachers are already evaluated. What most teachers do not want |
QC |
Aug-23-09 08:45 AM |
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The plan isn't stated to be that. The article says the NEA doesn't want performance |
Honeycombe8 |
Aug-23-09 09:07 AM |
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"Performance based plan," in practice, generally means test scores. |
QC |
Aug-23-09 09:29 AM |
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Was clear that performance wouldn't always be tests, but include other opinions/factors. |
MarjorieG |
Aug-22-09 02:55 PM |
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Teachers are constantly evaluated by everyone in the system. |
madfloridian |
Aug-22-09 11:58 AM |
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You are entirely ignorant. There are all kinds of "plans" all over the place. Here's some education |
RBInMaine |
Aug-22-09 03:40 PM |
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How about mandating LAZY, DYSFUNCTIONAL, INEFFECTIVE PARENTS to make their |
RBInMaine |
Aug-22-09 03:45 PM |
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+1 |
waiting for hope |
Aug-23-09 01:29 AM |
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+2 |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 09:58 AM |
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Gee, maybe those parents work 2.5 jobs and don't have the fucking time? |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:54 PM |
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WOW!!! What will you think of next????? |
amandabeech |
Aug-30-09 06:00 PM |
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Nice of you to ask. |
LWolf |
Aug-23-09 04:55 PM |
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And don't forget this one. The teacher comments at ED.gov offer... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-23-09 08:11 PM |
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Thanks for reminding me. |
LWolf |
Aug-23-09 10:09 PM |
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I know you do... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-23-09 10:22 PM |
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I Have One Too |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 11:46 AM |
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I read yours. It was very... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-24-09 06:37 PM |
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Excellent, As Always |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 09:59 AM |
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Many of these same posters were rightfully attacking cops sticking up for bad cops... |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:52 PM |
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question |
d_r |
Aug-22-09 08:43 AM |
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Not around here. Charter school = Publicly funded private school. |
QC |
Aug-22-09 08:53 AM |
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Charter schools here in Colorado can and do turn away SPED kids. |
donco6 |
Aug-22-09 10:02 AM |
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Here is the NEA on charter schools |
ProSense |
Aug-22-09 10:59 AM |
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That's odd. |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-22-09 02:42 PM |
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Not in either of the two states I've taught in. |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 02:09 PM |
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Not hard to be a great success when you can cherry pick |
QC |
Aug-22-09 02:12 PM |
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Exactly. nt |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 02:36 PM |
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I was worried about that. |
d_r |
Aug-22-09 05:03 PM |
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That's the purpose of the scheme--leaving the "bad kids" in the public schools |
QC |
Aug-22-09 05:09 PM |
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DU GrovelBot |
Aug-22-09 08:55 AM |
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christ almighty. i'll give you points for sheer perserverance, and lack of shame. |
dionysus |
Aug-22-09 10:19 AM |
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do you support the NEA in this? |
paulk |
Aug-24-09 08:56 AM |
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That would mean he would have to do all that thinking thing. Ewwwh. nt |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-24-09 09:30 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-22-09 11:03 AM |
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Gomer Norquist's proudest accomplishment |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-22-09 12:17 PM |
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It's amazing how much right wing propaganda has become conventional wisdom on DU. |
QC |
Aug-22-09 12:20 PM |
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And just like the dumber republicans |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-24-09 08:41 AM |
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You are exactly right. n/t |
QC |
Aug-24-09 02:44 PM |
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All teachers are perfect, all public schools are flawless, and nothing should change. |
boppers |
Aug-22-09 03:00 PM |
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No, that's not any better. |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 07:48 PM |
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Nor is it better to set up a 'straw man' simplistic argument... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-22-09 08:32 PM |
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OOOH. That was Norquist having another orgasm. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-24-09 08:39 AM |
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And if you didn't see it coming, you weren't paying attention. |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 01:58 PM |
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But he has his friend Arne Duncan |
joeycola |
Aug-30-09 05:51 PM |
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The NEA endorsed Obama knowing he supports charter schools, then whines when |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-22-09 02:14 PM |
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There was no one left to endorse, |
LWolf |
Aug-22-09 07:54 PM |
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Not every union endorses a candidate in every race |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-23-09 06:12 PM |
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The NEA represents educators. We care about MANY issues... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-23-09 08:17 PM |
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That's not a very good analogy. |
LWolf |
Aug-23-09 09:58 PM |
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Why are you attacking the teachers and their labor union? |
Better Believe It |
Aug-23-09 09:14 AM |
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That's the hip thing to do around here lately. Shows how "pragmatic" one is. |
QC |
Aug-23-09 09:30 AM |
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Hope and change will see us through. |
Jim Sagle |
Aug-24-09 09:52 AM |
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You are right, and here's an example. The author of this SD Union article always sides... |
YvonneCa |
Aug-23-09 02:47 PM |
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Does it really help teachers for their union to follow an ineffective political strategy? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-23-09 06:21 PM |
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You think they should have supported someone other than Obama in the election? |
Better Believe It |
Aug-23-09 06:30 PM |
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They certainly could have backed someone else in the primary |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-24-09 12:33 PM |
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Charter Schools: the End of America as We Know It. |
omega minimo |
Aug-23-09 06:52 PM |
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Second Thread On This: |
Dinger |
Aug-23-09 07:00 PM |
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Good. Now we need about a dozen more. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-24-09 08:43 AM |
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I Agree |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 10:21 AM |
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Sorry if I misunderstood. |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-24-09 11:14 AM |
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Here Ya Go JP: |
Dinger |
Aug-24-09 11:39 AM |
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The thing is that it's hard to believe it could get any worse in certain areas |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-24-09 09:02 AM |
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*FACEPLAM* |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:26 PM |
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Charter Schools are publicly funded PRIVATE schools - and are BAD BAD BAD!!! |
TankLV |
Aug-24-09 11:47 PM |
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Charter schools are public schools. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-24-09 11:57 PM |
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That's not an accurate statement. |
noamnety |
Aug-25-09 12:25 AM |
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Thank you. |
tunacan |
Aug-30-09 02:00 PM |
#135 |
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Many Charter Schools are Publicly Funded and Do Not Select only the best students. |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-25-09 01:31 AM |
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Not only are charter schools all private and exclude black/special ed/poor students ... |
noamnety |
Aug-26-09 01:14 PM |
#133 |
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Because certain special interests benefit from pushing the myth |
Odin2005 |
Aug-30-09 02:16 PM |
#136 |
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All charters are publicly funded. |
LWolf |
Aug-30-09 03:29 PM |
#137 |
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I know why this myth lives. |
Telly Savalas |
Aug-30-09 10:02 PM |
#142 |
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