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Reply #8: The 'Moderates' And 'Centerists', Ma'am, Will Have To Stand Up And Take The Fire [View All]

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8. The 'Moderates' And 'Centerists', Ma'am, Will Have To Stand Up And Take The Fire
It is not a question of 'throwing anyone under the bus', it is a question of being willing to take a hit for the team, defined as the people of the country and the Party. Democratic Senators from 'red states' are going to have to stand up and put their seats at risk, and if they do not, will deserve every calumny of cowardice and corruption and petty self-serving that has traditionally been directed at them here from the left. It has been my practice to defend such people here on occasion from such charges, arguing that is necessary to preserve their seats for a future battle on decent odds. Well, the time of that battle is now. No fight was ever won without casualties.

"The art of war consists in a well-reasoned and extremely circumspect defense, followed by audacious attack."
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  Health Care Act, a republican filibuster, and 60 votes... No one goes under the bus! Peacetrain  Aug-21-09 03:36 PM   #0 
   Yet...  Xipe Totec   Aug-21-09 03:41 PM   #1 
   I think it was Racheal last night..that showed a chart of how the  Peacetrain   Aug-21-09 03:46 PM   #4 
   So, you are OK with a watered down bill with NO public option?  MNDemNY   Aug-21-09 03:42 PM   #2 
   No the President and the Speaker both have said.. PO will be a part of the bill  Peacetrain   Aug-21-09 03:47 PM   #6 
   Even Hoyer is noe syint that the PO will have to go.  MNDemNY   Aug-21-09 03:50 PM   #11 
      If we do not have a PO, I just do not see the bill going forward.  Peacetrain   Aug-21-09 03:51 PM   #12 
         If no bill goes forward, Dems are toast in 2010  CreekDog   Aug-21-09 04:15 PM   #18 
   You simply do not understand the politics  demwing   Aug-21-09 04:11 PM   #17 
   The Senate has "Reconciliation" for budget items.  Eric J in MN   Aug-21-09 03:46 PM   #3 
   So that is why there is talk of a split bill.. that makes more sense  Peacetrain   Aug-21-09 03:48 PM   #7 
   We do not need 60 votes for the bill.  Birthmark   Aug-21-09 03:46 PM   #5 
   Okay let me see if I have it straight.. we need the dogs to break the filibuster  Peacetrain   Aug-21-09 03:49 PM   #9 
   Blue Dogs are in the House, not the Senate.  Eric J in MN   Aug-21-09 03:52 PM   #14 
   DLC'ers?.. then time to put Bill Clinton in there to turn up the heat  Peacetrain   Aug-21-09 03:53 PM   #15 
   Yes. But the "Senate Bluedogs" like Nelson are in with the republicans on health care.  AlinPA   Aug-21-09 04:30 PM   #20 
   That's correct.  Birthmark   Aug-21-09 04:36 PM   #22 
   About sending money to challengers: I have been giving money to the DCCC for years to help increase  AlinPA   Aug-21-09 04:28 PM   #19 
      That's my plan, too.  Birthmark   Aug-21-09 04:35 PM   #21 
   The 'Moderates' And 'Centerists', Ma'am, Will Have To Stand Up And Take The Fire  The Magistrate   Aug-21-09 03:48 PM   #8 
   I am with you on that  Peacetrain   Aug-21-09 03:50 PM   #10 
   Let them fillibuster our Medicare for All bill  Cronus Protagonist   Aug-21-09 03:52 PM   #13 
   Thank you everyone for the input.. It cleared up a LOT of misconceptions on my part..  Peacetrain   Aug-21-09 03:56 PM   #16 
   We own both houses of Congress. Pass the damn thing already.  Clear Blue Sky   Aug-21-09 04:39 PM   #23 
      Right. I'm tired of bull shit excuses like the "Republicans might filibuster"  Better Believe It   Aug-21-09 05:53 PM   #24 
         The Repubs don't have the votes to filibuster.  Clear Blue Sky   Aug-21-09 06:22 PM   #25 
            You may be right .... but if they threaten to filibuster call them on it!  Better Believe It   Aug-22-09 11:00 PM   #26 
 

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