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galloglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:07 PM
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21. "he has, it seems, won" Errrrr, no, no!
"He has established that the final bill must have real competition for the private sector. If it doesn't have it he will lose."

We are hearing "co-ops" being trumpeted, and they are not winners, nor competition.

Two varieties exist:

1) The type like dairies, etc., marketing together because they cannot exist alone and are owned by the members. Problem is, the members would be in business themselves if they could compete individually and only compete together because it is that or nothing.

Face it. Be it Mom and Pop groceries or a bunch or Sally, Jim and Joe Bob's Medical Service Contractors they cannot stand up to the likes of the national chains of corporate grocers (WalMart, perhaps) or Aetna, Blue Cross, etc.

but we'll probably get #2

2) The "mutual insurance concept" where the insureds own the companies.

Anyone who thinks that they, their parents, Gparents, or GGparents ever "owned a piece of the Rock" (Prudential) or any of the NY State giant mutual life companies (NY Life, et al.) should drop by and explain how that ever fostered any type of competition. It doesn't.

If we get a PO that is a #2, God help us. We'll be screwed for 150 more years and never figure it out. That is, until they privatize our "mutual health companies" and sell them to Hedge Funds.

If it is not a PO, and transparent enough for elementary school kids to understand, Obama could "win" and the whole country would lose big time. And, as with the beloved CDL's (invented by the mutual insurance giants), we would still be scratching our heads and asking "How did that happen??" But by that time, Obama will be long in a grave with his grandchildren.

It must be Public Option AND simple!!

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  -What Obama is doing is not chess, but it is Obama 101 grantcart  Aug-19-09 05:34 PM   #0 
  - When all is said and done we will know who is playing what and the results.  elocs   Aug-19-09 05:37 PM   #1 
  - I agree and would not have commented except that all of the threads  grantcart   Aug-19-09 06:55 PM   #18 
  - Either way. He's played the Repugs right into a corner.  Phx_Dem   Aug-19-09 05:40 PM   #2 
  - and the purpose of all the time and attention is to get those 6 to own the issue?  CreekDog   Aug-19-09 05:41 PM   #3 
  - Is this just your assumption or a conclusion you have reached  Cleita   Aug-19-09 05:43 PM   #4 
  - I have studied it in depth  grantcart   Aug-19-09 06:50 PM   #15 
     - And when Obama decided to appoint Geithner and Bernanke  truedelphi   Aug-19-09 07:46 PM   #31 
     - so you are not with the Nobel Economist who thought that the stimulus was too small?  grantcart   Aug-19-09 10:00 PM   #41 
        - I haven't read any Krugman in a while  truedelphi   Aug-19-09 10:30 PM   #45 
        - +1  uponit7771   Aug-20-09 02:41 AM   #48 
        - Krugman still thinks we need a 2nd stimulus  paulk   Aug-20-09 09:25 AM   #53 
     - Thank you grantcart for your wisdom and your words  goclark   Aug-20-09 08:19 AM   #50 
        - thank you for your kind words  grantcart   Aug-20-09 06:44 PM   #57 
  - I don't agree  Onlooker   Aug-19-09 05:43 PM   #5 
  - Your premise on public support for health care declining  grantcart   Aug-19-09 06:34 PM   #13 
  - "Polls show public support for health care declining." Polls  ProSense   Aug-19-09 06:53 PM   #17 
  - +1 n/t  truedelphi   Aug-19-09 07:47 PM   #32 
  - Yes, there is a game called checkers  HughMoran   Aug-19-09 09:34 PM   #39 
     - Ha ha haha ha HA!  DevonRex   Aug-20-09 08:35 AM   #51 
  - passions trump logic...  cleveramerican   Aug-19-09 05:46 PM   #6 
  - Yes, Pres Obama and his Team have done this  Cha   Aug-19-09 05:59 PM   #7 
  - It is chess...  nradisic   Aug-19-09 06:05 PM   #8 
  - By your logic anything that passes will be an Obama win.  scubadude   Aug-19-09 06:06 PM   #9 
  - No he only wins if his logic wins  grantcart   Aug-19-09 06:31 PM   #12 
     - "he has, it seems, won" Errrrr, no, no!  galloglas   Aug-19-09 07:07 PM   #21 
     - Well Said! n/t  KoKo   Aug-19-09 07:17 PM   #24 
     - The co-operatives are a canard - nobody is taking that seriously  grantcart   Aug-19-09 10:12 PM   #43 
     - Interesting Standpoint  Mermaid7   Aug-19-09 08:37 PM   #37 
  - Unfortunately, Sir....  The Magistrate   Aug-19-09 06:23 PM   #10 
  - I believe that it is more like a basketball game  grantcart   Aug-19-09 06:29 PM   #11 
  - Are we really painting Nelson, Lincoln, et al, into a corner? Do sweeten it?  MarjorieG   Aug-19-09 06:40 PM   #14 
  - I believe that the House Democrats have just painted them into a corner  grantcart   Aug-19-09 06:53 PM   #16 
     - It Should Be Brought Down, Sir, If It Is Inadequate To The Need Of the People  The Magistrate   Aug-19-09 07:01 PM   #20 
        - Indeed !!  galloglas   Aug-19-09 07:12 PM   #22 
  - Not A Good Analogy, Sir  The Magistrate   Aug-19-09 06:57 PM   #19 
     - So true! What's that quote? "Know thy enemy," I think. nt  polichick   Aug-19-09 07:29 PM   #28 
     - You misunderstand me, Sir.  grantcart   Aug-19-09 07:44 PM   #30 
        - My Tactical Inclination, Sir, Is To Hit Early And Hard  The Magistrate   Aug-19-09 07:55 PM   #34 
           - Let's revisit this after the dust settles and compare notes on strategy  grantcart   Aug-19-09 10:04 PM   #42 
              - Indeed, My Friend, The Event Will Settle The Question  The Magistrate   Aug-19-09 10:15 PM   #44 
  - Hate to repeat myself, Sir,...but, again, Well Stated! n/t  KoKo   Aug-19-09 07:18 PM   #25 
  - Well...we waited for Daschle..(keeping his powder dry) and Give "em Hell Harry"( needed 60 votes...  KoKo   Aug-19-09 07:15 PM   #23 
  - Exactly, Ma'am: Now We Have The Votes By Party Identification, And It Is Time To Fire The Powder....  The Magistrate   Aug-19-09 07:21 PM   #26 
  - We are in agreement and I am in effect arguing that there is no  grantcart   Aug-19-09 07:21 PM   #27 
     - Good discussion between you two.  Gin Blossom   Aug-20-09 10:54 AM   #55 
  - It's not so much that he's 8 steps ahead........  Clio the Leo   Aug-19-09 07:43 PM   #29 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-19-09 07:47 PM   #33 
  - Obama screwed up health care. He may be a great orator, but he is a novice  MasonJar   Aug-19-09 07:56 PM   #35 
  - What a load of horshit. A novice wouldn't have survived this last election, let alone won it.  phleshdef   Aug-19-09 08:10 PM   #36 
  - Except for one thing  grantcart   Aug-19-09 09:47 PM   #40 
  - +10  FrenchieCat   Aug-20-09 04:40 AM   #49 
  - healthcare reconciliation as part of the budget process  paulk   Aug-20-09 09:37 AM   #54 
  - I'm glad no one is listening to your advice.  NoSheep   Aug-20-09 08:37 AM   #52 
  - You're always on point Grantcart. n/t  vaberella   Aug-19-09 09:06 PM   #38 
  - HA !  grantcart   Aug-20-09 12:34 AM   #46 
  - K$R,  cliffordu   Aug-20-09 01:17 AM   #47 
  - He does a shitty job of staying on message if that's the case  Lorien   Aug-20-09 11:16 AM   #56 
  - Obama's taken discrediting the GOP to an all new level.  backscatter712   Aug-20-09 07:25 PM   #58 

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