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Tue Aug-18-09 10:15 PM
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| 8. Why doesn't Obama join with US?? |
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The fact is that "the Party", or "all of us", or whatever it is you wish to pull together in unison, will have to decide whether we will have a "Public Option" (if not single payer) or not. It is really a case of either one or the other OR no real reform of any sort whatsoever.
So where is Obama going to decide to stand on this? With us or against us? You say "conservatives are united in their rage". So what, if not total capitulation to corporate interests, can we unite on with Obama? Do you suggest "his way or the highway"?
You say "You can be right, or you can be happy (and pass the public option)". But exactly what is there to be happy about with we are seeing offered to us? To me, this sounds rather like the choice "Either sit down and STFU or we will beat you senseless with these billy clubs. Take your pick."
This, uh, suggestion of yours reads more like a threat or an ultimatum than a suggestion. If it comes to that choice, I will pass and fight some other way with some other forces. After all, the Progressive Left are not indentured servants to the POTUS, despite what you, he or others think.
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| -You know, this would be a good time for Kucinich and other progressives to rally around Obama. |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-18-09 09:33 PM |
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I would like to think |
Mz Pip |
Aug-18-09 09:37 PM |
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It almost makes me wish I lived in a red district.... |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-18-09 09:42 PM |
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You got the blue dog dino Feinstein |
Cha |
Aug-18-09 10:15 PM |
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Oooh, yeah, this is true.... |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-18-09 10:37 PM |
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lol.. |
Cha |
Aug-18-09 10:41 PM |
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Barbara Lee is my Rep |
Mz Pip |
Aug-18-09 10:23 PM |
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This is what I've been saying'. We need to get the fire back that we had during the campaign(s). |
phleshdef |
Aug-18-09 09:40 PM |
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Right! That passion is the one thing Republicans cannot buy! |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-18-09 09:44 PM |
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I think we will see alot of "on board" tomorrow.. a LOT |
Peacetrain |
Aug-18-09 09:43 PM |
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I hope I hope. And Thursday... |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-18-09 09:47 PM |
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Why? n/t |
vaberella |
Aug-18-09 10:24 PM |
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Complex thinking sometimes appears foolish.. to the fools. |
tridim |
Aug-18-09 10:01 PM |
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Why doesn't Obama join with US?? |
galloglas |
Aug-18-09 10:15 PM |
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He is if you've been paying attention |
Cha |
Aug-18-09 10:17 PM |
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I love watching the recs go up and down. Kucinich fans? No other reason to unrec, IMO. |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-18-09 10:34 PM |
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I thought you were being |
Cha |
Aug-18-09 10:44 PM |
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Perhaps they don't support the President? |
CakeGrrl |
Aug-18-09 10:46 PM |
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Sometimes it's personal, and other times... |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-18-09 11:42 PM |
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I have BEEN paying attention: |
galloglas |
Aug-18-09 10:47 PM |
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I'm not asking you to do a |
Cha |
Aug-18-09 10:55 PM |
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And good luck on your Kamikazi mission |
galloglas |
Aug-18-09 11:29 PM |
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Because he represents everyone, not just us? |
treestar |
Aug-19-09 10:24 AM |
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Kucinich would never do it... because he's invested in defeat |
scheming daemons |
Aug-18-09 10:16 PM |
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Jesse Jackson never did have power it was made up totally by corp media |
democracy1st |
Aug-19-09 02:59 AM |
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Kucinich would never do it... because he's invested in defeat |
scheming daemons |
Aug-18-09 10:16 PM |
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I'm thinking Obama needs to seek help from actual progressives |
leftofthedial |
Aug-18-09 10:19 PM |
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I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. So far Obama can always depend on one person |
vaberella |
Aug-18-09 10:23 PM |
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True, but also... |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-18-09 10:36 PM |
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No Doubt!!! |
vaberella |
Aug-18-09 10:43 PM |
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It's better to rally around ideas |
jeanpalmer |
Aug-18-09 10:50 PM |
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Its a good time for Obama and crew to rally around the progressives |
Oregone |
Aug-18-09 10:56 PM |
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And when Dennis Kucinich is elected President, I'm sure Barack Obama will gladly do that. |
Clio the Leo |
Aug-18-09 11:13 PM |
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Word! n/t |
firedupdem |
Aug-18-09 11:17 PM |
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Nah, let's do this one instead...... |
Clio the Leo |
Aug-18-09 11:23 PM |
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You know it! You're on a roll tonight!! |
firedupdem |
Aug-18-09 11:36 PM |
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what can I say.... |
Clio the Leo |
Aug-18-09 11:43 PM |
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Yes yes it brings me joy |
Engineer4Obama |
Aug-19-09 06:51 AM |
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Thank You! I LOVE these people who act as though Obama is supposed to ignore the people |
Number23 |
Aug-19-09 04:35 PM |
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When you win the primary we will, Until then, try to remember the primary is over |
mkultra |
Aug-19-09 09:00 AM |
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Look, his pollsters and focus groups are telling him to goto war without the most dedicated people |
Oregone |
Aug-19-09 09:09 AM |
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Actually, they just didnt go for Single Payer |
mkultra |
Aug-19-09 10:24 AM |
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I dont care if you lose it. Its just the bait and means nothing |
Oregone |
Aug-19-09 10:30 AM |
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Actually, is was coverage that could have helped millions |
mkultra |
Aug-19-09 10:50 AM |
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Im concerned with helping everyone |
Oregone |
Aug-19-09 10:54 AM |
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Everyone or no one huh? |
mkultra |
Aug-19-09 12:18 PM |
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Huh? |
Oregone |
Aug-19-09 12:25 PM |
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'If we supported the president' ... Where have I heard that before? |
LooseWilly |
Aug-19-09 01:49 PM |
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When they represent 51% of the population maybe |
treestar |
Aug-19-09 10:26 AM |
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Progressives were part of that 51% |
Oregone |
Aug-19-09 10:31 AM |
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yup |
SwampG8r |
Aug-18-09 11:32 PM |
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Hey! |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-19-09 01:54 AM |
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ok so far |
SwampG8r |
Aug-19-09 01:22 PM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-18-09 11:32 PM |
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grovelbot you sexy thing |
SwampG8r |
Aug-18-09 11:33 PM |
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Its the pres that has sent mixed signals on the public option |
democracy1st |
Aug-19-09 03:38 AM |
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It was a DK supporter responsible for the "Joker" image of Obama. His supporters |
Honeycombe8 |
Aug-19-09 06:10 AM |
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DK supporters are one step shy of LaRouchies. (nt) |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Aug-19-09 07:58 AM |
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There's the unity the OP asked for! |
galloglas |
Aug-19-09 04:22 PM |
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Yeah, I'm sure that MY remarks are what will prevent Kucinich from heeding the call. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Aug-20-09 05:14 AM |
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I am |
treestar |
Aug-19-09 10:27 AM |
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You are wrong. |
unapatriciated |
Aug-20-09 11:00 AM |
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Is this going to be the refrain on every issue now? |
PVnRT |
Aug-19-09 06:16 AM |
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No, I said rally around the things with which you agree. Maybe DK opposes the public option. |
NYC_SKP |
Aug-19-09 09:14 AM |
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My reply had nothing to do with Kucinich |
PVnRT |
Aug-19-09 09:26 AM |
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Don't count on Kucinich. |
jefferson_dem |
Aug-19-09 06:37 AM |
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Agree. Dennis Kucinich should help push. |
saltpoint |
Aug-19-09 06:38 AM |
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Kucinich is for Kucinich, and nothing more - so in other words, I doubt he'd do that. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
Aug-19-09 07:53 AM |
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Great idea |
Doctor_J |
Aug-19-09 09:18 AM |
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Maddow did an excellent job, VERY prepared and proffessional and direct |
uponit7771 |
Aug-19-09 09:27 AM |
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You know, this would be a good time for Obama and his administration to support the Progressives. |
Hatchling |
Aug-19-09 10:21 AM |
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took the words right out of my mouth ! |
democracy1st |
Aug-20-09 05:26 AM |
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They won't. They'd rather eat dirt than "sell out to the corporations, man", as they see it. |
Arkana |
Aug-19-09 10:25 AM |
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I am not sure I agree. |
Bonobo |
Aug-19-09 10:58 AM |
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theres nothing in it for them |
cleveramerican |
Aug-19-09 04:24 PM |
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I was thinking it's a good time for the prez to rally around his base. nt |
polichick |
Aug-20-09 11:08 AM |
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While I believe we had a perfect time in history to get single payer started |
unapatriciated |
Aug-20-09 11:21 AM |
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