Hippo_Tron
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Wed Aug-12-09 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #87 |
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Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 08:10 PM by Hippo_Tron
Wouldn't you feel kind of petty and stupid if you got up and said "But Mr. President, when you were 12 years old you wrote an essay about how we should have Single Payer!" If that were the case he would've also been wrong to use the word "never" without qualifying it as "never in my adult life". In this case he did more or less the same thing by not qualifying it with "never during my Presidency".
People use the word "never" in colloquial speech in the context that Obama did all of the time. I don't think the intent was to deceive anybody, I think the intent was to make it clear that as President he has not supported Single-Payer.
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| -Obama said just now " I have never said I was in favor of a single payer pan" |
dixiegrrrrl |
Aug-11-09 12:48 PM |
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Ah, false? |
MNDemNY |
Aug-11-09 12:49 PM |
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you seem unsure. do you think true or false? |
PretzelWarrior |
Aug-11-09 12:50 PM |
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Not unsure, confused by the silly question. |
MNDemNY |
Aug-11-09 12:58 PM |
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FALSE |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 12:49 PM |
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you're lying. |
PretzelWarrior |
Aug-11-09 12:50 PM |
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your dreaming. |
MNDemNY |
Aug-11-09 12:53 PM |
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you're sleep walking. |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 12:54 PM |
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maybe, but I am correct. |
MNDemNY |
Aug-11-09 12:55 PM |
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You both need to get laid. |
Deja Q |
Aug-11-09 12:55 PM |
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lol |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 12:56 PM |
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potd! |
AngryAmish |
Aug-11-09 01:19 PM |
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TRUE! He said if we were starting from SCRATCH, he'd be for single payer |
PretzelWarrior |
Aug-11-09 12:49 PM |
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Unless you go back to his days before the Senate. |
MNDemNY |
Aug-11-09 12:51 PM |
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that's right- It's what I've always heard him say. |
Bluerthanblue |
Aug-11-09 12:51 PM |
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incremental towards what? |
Newshues |
Aug-11-09 12:54 PM |
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Wouldn't it be more cost-effective to start a new system from scratch? |
Deja Q |
Aug-11-09 12:54 PM |
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It's the difference between fixing a boat in drydock and fixing a boat while still sailing on it... |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-11-09 12:56 PM |
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How would you enroll 300,000,000 people all at once? Suggest a |
JayMusgrove |
Aug-11-09 03:41 PM |
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Ding! Ding! We have a winner... |
SKKY |
Aug-11-09 12:55 PM |
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So he favors it in a hypothetical situation, but he doesn't favor it overall? |
Oregone |
Aug-11-09 01:31 PM |
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BOTH |
Dawgs |
Aug-11-09 12:51 PM |
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Your popping the pretzel's bubble. |
MNDemNY |
Aug-11-09 12:52 PM |
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False. And that's why he got asked that question by a republican |
Joanne98 |
Aug-11-09 12:52 PM |
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An article AND A YOUTUBE VIDEO |
Deja Q |
Aug-11-09 12:52 PM |
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Did he say "ever" or just since the health care debate has been going on |
DrToast |
Aug-11-09 12:53 PM |
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Completely false |
DJ13 |
Aug-11-09 12:53 PM |
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It would disrupt not only his ability, but the ability of most of Congress |
dflprincess |
Aug-12-09 10:10 PM |
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"I happen to be a proponent -- of a single payer plan" |
villager |
Aug-11-09 12:53 PM |
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thanks! saved me some time. nt |
create.peace |
Aug-11-09 12:58 PM |
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that is not germane to what he's doing once he is running on the goald of health care reform |
PretzelWarrior |
Aug-11-09 01:00 PM |
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Earlier position on health care not germane to his current one? |
villager |
Aug-11-09 01:02 PM |
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power? Or political reality. look at the fucking psycho storm with what IS being presented. |
PretzelWarrior |
Aug-11-09 01:04 PM |
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i think you and your "reverse every progressive stance we have" crowd is a big reason |
villager |
Aug-11-09 01:08 PM |
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uhhhmmm...yeah. right. we already have more change than you guys admit |
PretzelWarrior |
Aug-11-09 01:15 PM |
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"buncha fucking whiners?" Projection much? |
villager |
Aug-11-09 01:21 PM |
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Exactly. Why would they listen to us - the health care industry buys the politicians |
debbierlus |
Aug-12-09 06:53 PM |
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I doubt it |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 01:06 PM |
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why can't people here play along even for a fucking moment? |
PretzelWarrior |
Aug-11-09 01:09 PM |
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"play along" ?? No thank you, a lie is a lie. he should not lie. |
MNDemNY |
Aug-11-09 01:10 PM |
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no. he's not lying. but neither is he content to stop at only a public option |
PretzelWarrior |
Aug-11-09 01:13 PM |
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Is that Rahm?? |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 01:15 PM |
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You jump to conclusions too fast. |
MNDemNY |
Aug-11-09 01:22 PM |
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Want me to play along |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 01:12 PM |
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No it didn't. That was a video before he even ran for President--about 3 years before. n/t |
vaberella |
Aug-12-09 01:30 PM |
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No his claim using the word "never" is the stretch. |
MNDemNY |
Aug-11-09 01:08 PM |
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And a lie is a lie. That was a lie |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-11-09 04:02 PM |
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Agreed. |
Deja Q |
Aug-11-09 01:10 PM |
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That was the argument people made against giving him credit for opposing the Iraq war. |
JVS |
Aug-11-09 01:21 PM |
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Some of the comments on some of the videos on that site |
Bill219 |
Aug-11-09 01:01 PM |
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I'm not paying attention to that |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 01:03 PM |
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Thanks for this n/t |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 01:02 PM |
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delete |
Phx_Dem |
Aug-11-09 01:00 PM |
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True.... in hist time as Senator and President, he has never been for it... |
scheming daemons |
Aug-11-09 01:04 PM |
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EXACTLY!!!! n/t |
vaberella |
Aug-12-09 01:31 PM |
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I should have been more clear. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Aug-11-09 01:08 PM |
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yup! |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 01:10 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-11-09 01:11 PM |
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I know |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 01:14 PM |
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but your latest answer was to a clarification of the question |
PretzelWarrior |
Aug-11-09 01:16 PM |
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Nahhh |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 01:18 PM |
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Please see my clarification in question # 35. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Aug-11-09 01:16 PM |
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Absolutely false. |
BonnieJW |
Aug-11-09 01:12 PM |
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"Doesn't he realize all this stuff is on video?" |
ProSense |
Aug-11-09 01:21 PM |
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*yawn* |
BlooInBloo |
Aug-11-09 01:12 PM |
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FALSE. He's always been pro-skillet. n/t |
Writer |
Aug-11-09 01:16 PM |
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good catch, Writer. lol. |
PretzelWarrior |
Aug-11-09 01:17 PM |
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One time.. in 2003... Obama said he was in favor of single payer. EVERY SINGLE TIME SINCE...... |
scheming daemons |
Aug-11-09 01:18 PM |
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I recall him answering a question saying if he were starting from scratch he would like Single Payer |
4_Legs_Good |
Aug-11-09 01:24 PM |
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He didn't say that |
Thrill |
Aug-11-09 01:50 PM |
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What is a single payer pan? |
Raine1967 |
Aug-11-09 01:53 PM |
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Oh lord... |
dixiegrrrrl |
Aug-11-09 02:04 PM |
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Yes, but I did think it was funny. I laughed anyway. nt |
ItNerd4life |
Aug-11-09 03:33 PM |
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You should have included this- |
masuki bance |
Aug-12-09 06:06 PM |
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Obama rejects socialized cookware! |
gmoney |
Aug-12-09 06:31 PM |
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WTF? We in DU can't even agree on what Obama believes or said? |
ItNerd4life |
Aug-11-09 03:32 PM |
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you're right. he's the one dredging videos from 2003. how bad of him. |
PretzelWarrior |
Aug-11-09 03:42 PM |
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I agree with this 100% |
Seen the light |
Aug-11-09 03:45 PM |
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You'd think DU would grasp the difference between the words "once" and "never" |
JVS |
Aug-12-09 01:24 PM |
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too many words.. |
stillcool |
Aug-12-09 07:58 PM |
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I think all that eat "Pan" Pizza should all chip in |
itsrobert |
Aug-11-09 03:35 PM |
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left overs?? |
Hutzpa |
Aug-11-09 04:18 PM |
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I can't recall him ever saying he was in favor of "single payer pans". |
Hansel |
Aug-11-09 04:25 PM |
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True. As a candidate the President NEVER supported single payer. |
vaberella |
Aug-12-09 01:28 PM |
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Politicians don't lie - they campaign. nt |
Jakes Progress |
Aug-12-09 01:44 PM |
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How is this dogged sticking to a quote from before the man was even in the Senate |
TheKentuckian |
Aug-12-09 01:55 PM |
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Because people don't like Obama. n/t |
vaberella |
Aug-12-09 05:16 PM |
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Depends on the meaning of the word "never" |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-12-09 05:15 PM |
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I think the definition of never is pretty clear. It means NEVER |
debbierlus |
Aug-12-09 06:55 PM |
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On the other hand... |
Hippo_Tron |
Aug-12-09 08:08 PM |
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Well, if he never said it he damn well SHOULD have! nt |
polichick |
Aug-12-09 05:17 PM |
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Before he was in the Senate. As a Senator, Candidate, and President he has not. |
vaberella |
Aug-12-09 06:39 PM |
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I believe he did say it--but he also said during the campaign that |
Arkana |
Aug-12-09 07:03 PM |
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what he has said.. |
stillcool |
Aug-12-09 07:55 PM |
#89 |
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