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55. Obama sounds like he's reading a laundry list. "Outlandish" my ass. Sounds like my grandmother!

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  -President Obama: "So, let me explain what reform will mean for you. " ProSense  Aug-08-09 05:50 PM   #0 
  - K&R #2  Deja Q   Aug-08-09 05:52 PM   #1 
  - Thank you, Mr. President!  silverweb   Aug-08-09 05:53 PM   #2 
  - A much better lede.  BlooInBloo   Aug-08-09 05:53 PM   #3 
  - (1) What will I get that I don't already get and (2) how much will the new program cost me?  jody   Aug-08-09 05:55 PM   #4 
  - Here  ProSense   Aug-08-09 05:59 PM   #6 
  - Sorry, that is too general to answer the questions that I hear posed by my friends. n/t  jody   Aug-08-09 06:04 PM   #8 
     - The questions are sort of curious.  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:06 PM   #10 
        - It's going to cost somebody so who do you think will pay the additional cost? n/t  jody   Aug-08-09 06:09 PM   #12 
           - Seriously,  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:26 PM   #24 
              - See #25. n/t  jody   Aug-08-09 06:29 PM   #28 
  - Question:  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:04 PM   #9 
  - Some are happy, those with good coverage, and some unhappy, those with limited or no coverage. n/t  jody   Aug-08-09 06:10 PM   #14 
     - Delete, wrong place n/t  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:23 PM   #21 
        - I've followed the debate very closely and the assertions about who pays is still unanswered.  jody   Aug-08-09 06:27 PM   #25 
           - BS. n/t  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:31 PM   #30 
              - Is that your final answer to a legitimate question? n/t  jody   Aug-08-09 06:39 PM   #32 
                 - Yes, obviously  wininboy   Aug-10-09 12:20 PM   #105 
  - 2) is not answerable until you know what will be in the bill, but the guidelines have already been  Mass   Aug-08-09 06:56 PM   #36 
  - I know guidelines have been posted but since when has Congress followed guidelines? n/t  jody   Aug-08-09 07:00 PM   #37 
     - The guidelines are IN the congress bills already existing and if anything the missing bill is trying  Mass   Aug-08-09 07:06 PM   #38 
        - OK they will pay more but it's really less and they will feel good. n/t  jody   Aug-08-09 07:12 PM   #40 
           - It seems you're missing the point...  damonm   Aug-10-09 12:14 PM   #103 
              - Sorry "you're missing the point" not I so why don't you answer #4 rather than attack me? n/t  jody   Aug-10-09 03:01 PM   #110 
                 - Not I.  damonm   Aug-10-09 04:43 PM   #112 
                    - Is it likely that some voters might get less health care than under their current plans & pay more?  jody   Aug-10-09 04:54 PM   #113 
                       - I don't think so.  damonm   Aug-10-09 04:59 PM   #114 
                          - IMO Obama will sign any health-care bill that comes to him and declare "Mission Accomplished" amidst  jody   Aug-10-09 05:04 PM   #116 
                             - As you wish.  damonm   Aug-10-09 05:11 PM   #119 
                                - Not my wish, my expectation. I'm here because I'm a Yellow Dog Democrat & a progressive and I will  jody   Aug-10-09 05:16 PM   #121 
  - 1) If you get sick, your insurance can't be cancelled.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-09-09 10:20 AM   #57 
  - Understand but what about people who already have insurance? n/t  jody   Aug-09-09 06:42 PM   #65 
     - People with insurance have been getting cancelled.  donco6   Aug-09-09 07:12 PM   #66 
        - Thanks but that doesn't answer the questions in #4. n/t  jody   Aug-09-09 11:23 PM   #80 
           - Yes it does. It answers it directly.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-10-09 12:32 AM   #86 
              - Have a good day. n/t  jody   Aug-10-09 09:16 AM   #95 
                 - The progressive movement is at a crossroads.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-10-09 09:34 AM   #97 
                    - I've contributed for half a century as a Yellow Dog Democrat. Glad you could join us progressives.  jody   Aug-10-09 10:23 AM   #98 
                       - Oh, now I get it. Healthcare reform seems important until one qualifies for medicare. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-10-09 02:04 PM   #107 
                          - LOL Health care reform is important to me because of my children, grandchildren, hundreds of  jody   Aug-10-09 02:59 PM   #109 
  - The starting point of any discussion is that what they think they "get" is not sustainable.  grantcart   Aug-09-09 10:42 AM   #60 
  - If what you say is true that government can operate a business at lower cost and higher quality,  jody   Aug-09-09 06:41 PM   #64 
     - Its a complicated issue but the simple answer is:  grantcart   Aug-09-09 08:19 PM   #70 
        - Thanks "what other businesses has government taken over in the U.S. and achieved those goals?" n/t  jody   Aug-09-09 11:22 PM   #78 
           - Why are you repeating the question?  grantcart   Aug-09-09 11:50 PM   #83 
              - OK, but what private businesses has govt taken over and operated efficiently and effectively? n/t  jody   Aug-10-09 09:16 AM   #94 
                 - You are aggressively obtuse  grantcart   Aug-10-09 11:28 AM   #100 
                    - Didn't your subject line just say it all?  Flying Dream Blues   Aug-10-09 11:43 AM   #101 
                    - Medicare report says it's broke. Govt can't manage it so how can it do better with an expanded  jody   Aug-10-09 02:55 PM   #108 
                       - Except, it doesn't say what you say it does...  damonm   Aug-10-09 05:08 PM   #117 
                          - You are a great candidate for Enron's board. n/t  jody   Aug-10-09 05:10 PM   #118 
                             - Wow. Wrong AND irrelevant at the same time. Well done!  damonm   Aug-10-09 05:15 PM   #120 
                                - I was merely pointing out your rosy picture of a govt corporation when all facts point to a growing  jody   Aug-10-09 05:19 PM   #122 
                                   - If fact is "rosy", then guilty as charged.  damonm   Aug-10-09 05:39 PM   #126 
                                      - What subject change? #100 used medicare and I responded to that. Surely you know Obama said "We all  jody   Aug-10-09 05:52 PM   #128 
                                         - *sigh* If you didn't get the subject change, you have bigger problems than I can handle,  damonm   Aug-11-09 01:15 AM   #129 
                                            - I see your opinion of me is much higher than mine of you. Goodbye. n/t  jody   Aug-11-09 09:11 AM   #131 
  - Two questions, two answers.  boppers   Aug-09-09 09:18 PM   #74 
     - Cost nothing! Sorry but I don't believe my friends will accept that answer and they're Dems. n/t  jody   Aug-09-09 11:25 PM   #81 
        - Tell them it'll cost $4.50 per paycheck, then.  boppers   Aug-10-09 01:58 AM   #88 
        - LOL That's as credible as anything else I've heard. n/t  jody   Aug-10-09 09:18 AM   #96 
        - Well...  damonm   Aug-10-09 05:02 PM   #115 
           - "Acceptance has little bearing on fact" but it acceptance does determine votes and that's politics.  jody   Aug-10-09 05:20 PM   #123 
  - 'We will stop insurance companies from denying coverage because of a person's medical history.'  Eric J in MN   Aug-08-09 05:57 PM   #5 
  - Here:  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:01 PM   #7 
  - I agree re "pre-existing conditions" but that will spread those costs over those already insured.  jody   Aug-08-09 06:08 PM   #11 
     - That's the Fox Noise version of health care reform. n/t  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:10 PM   #13 
     - Forget Fox, that is one of the questions my friends ask and they all vote and voted Obama. n/t  jody   Aug-08-09 06:12 PM   #15 
        - Sorry, I can't  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:19 PM   #18 
           - I've been following the debate and listening to Democrats but no one has answered those questions.  jody   Aug-08-09 06:23 PM   #20 
           - Not true.  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:25 PM   #23 
              - LOL "Many scenarios" but the only one that matters is what Congress votes for and Obama signs. n/t  jody   Aug-08-09 06:29 PM   #26 
                 - Why are you laughing? You didn't know they even existed.  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:30 PM   #29 
                    - I laughed because you make assertions re some hypothetical plan but admit that there are several  jody   Aug-08-09 06:41 PM   #33 
                       - What's really funny is that you had no clue  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:45 PM   #34 
                          - Please listen to me, IMO you and I could set down and jointly agree on the basics of a health care  jody   Aug-08-09 06:50 PM   #35 
           - Exactly right.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-09-09 10:27 AM   #59 
     - The insurance companies will be making more money overall,  Eric J in MN   Aug-08-09 06:21 PM   #19 
        - That's my expectation also. :thumbsup:  jody   Aug-08-09 06:24 PM   #22 
        - "if they raise premiums and blame it on having to sell [ins.] to people with pre-existing condition"  ProSense   Aug-08-09 06:29 PM   #27 
           - How do you know premiums will be capped? I've followed the debate and scanned HR 3200 but  jody   Aug-08-09 06:39 PM   #31 
              - So, what do you suggest. That we stop everything and stay where we are.  Mass   Aug-08-09 07:07 PM   #39 
              - See "4. (1) What will I get that I don't already get and (2) how much will the new program cost me?"  jody   Aug-08-09 07:15 PM   #41 
              - Happy you have a good healthcare. Others do not and have a chance to get it. Except if people like  Mass   Aug-08-09 08:46 PM   #46 
                 - I'm blocking nothing however, I am concerned that Congress and Obama have not been able to present  jody   Aug-08-09 09:46 PM   #47 
                 - You don't speak for me  wininboy   Aug-10-09 12:23 PM   #106 
              - What the local  Baltoman991   Aug-08-09 08:09 PM   #43 
                 - Thanks. I was starting to get this as there was clearly no way this person cared about answers.  Mass   Aug-08-09 08:44 PM   #45 
                    - Problem is you have yet to answer the two questions I posed earlier in this thread. If there is a  jody   Aug-08-09 09:48 PM   #48 
              - Somewhere I found in the bill that premiums will be capped at 11% of your gross income  dflprincess   Aug-08-09 10:43 PM   #49 
              - Thanks, answers like that are what blue/grey collar workers understand. n/t  jody   Aug-09-09 09:13 AM   #52 
              - The cost-share max for a family is $10,000. PLUS there's deductible -  lynne   Aug-10-09 05:46 PM   #127 
              - Read it in black and white  SpartanDem   Aug-09-09 01:09 PM   #62 
                 - Your link is broke, are you referring to HR 3200 with the final amendments yet to be passed so we  jody   Aug-09-09 06:38 PM   #63 
                    - The section regarding premiums limits can be found in section 243  SpartanDem   Aug-09-09 09:10 PM   #73 
                       - Thanks but the only thing that matters is the final bill signed into law. No one knows what that  jody   Aug-09-09 11:21 PM   #77 
                       - Section 243 is about the federal gov't helping people pay premiums...  Eric J in MN   Aug-09-09 11:23 PM   #79 
  - President Obama Should Throw In Some Powerpoint Slides  TomCADem   Aug-08-09 06:15 PM   #16 
  - Makes sense, that will certainly sway Joe Sixpack. :sarcasm:  jody   Aug-08-09 06:18 PM   #17 
  - Thank you for this, PS..  Cha   Aug-08-09 07:30 PM   #42 
  - K&R  dccrossman   Aug-08-09 08:31 PM   #44 
  - Rec'd! That's my President! n/t  firedupdem   Aug-08-09 10:52 PM   #50 
  - Except that he is lying about being able to keep your doctor  eridani   Aug-09-09 05:35 AM   #51 
  - Those are very valid questions, but certainly not questions the RW wants to discuss.  Mass   Aug-09-09 09:16 AM   #53 
  - Where do you get that insurers will be allowed to double premiums for older people?  solstice   Aug-09-09 10:15 AM   #56 
  - SEC. 113. INSURANCE RATING RULES.  eridani   Aug-09-09 07:46 PM   #68 
     - When I was younger and had group insurance, I paid the same as older people.  amandabeech   Aug-09-09 10:58 PM   #76 
        - 11% is totally unacceptable as well  eridani   Aug-09-09 11:28 PM   #82 
           - The amounts you write about are reasonable.  amandabeech   Aug-09-09 11:50 PM   #84 
           - That is just for additional premiums--does not reflect taxes to pay for nat'l health  frazzled   Aug-10-09 05:55 AM   #93 
              - Actually, when I worked and lived in NYC, my tax bite was a bit higher than 41%,  amandabeech   Aug-10-09 11:51 AM   #102 
              - FICA and Medicare assessments not included in US data I supplied either  eridani   Aug-11-09 07:04 AM   #130 
  - In reality...  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-09-09 10:25 AM   #58 
     - This is totally unacceptable  eridani   Aug-09-09 07:39 PM   #67 
        - The system in the Netherlands is a public/private system.  tabasco   Aug-09-09 08:10 PM   #69 
        - Everyone except chronically ill and long term care patients must have private insurance  eridani   Aug-09-09 09:56 PM   #75 
        - I'm hip! They don't put up with that shit on Star Trek neither.  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-10-09 12:30 AM   #85 
           - Killing only 11,000 a year instead of 22,000 a year is uncacceptable n/t  eridani   Aug-10-09 03:15 AM   #91 
  - Mr. President ~ we still need the ABC - 123  goclark   Aug-09-09 10:03 AM   #54 
  - Obama sounds like he's reading a laundry list. "Outlandish" my ass. Sounds like my grandmother!  solstice   Aug-09-09 10:14 AM   #55 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-09-09 11:49 AM   #61 
  - Excellent. nt  JerseygirlCT   Aug-09-09 08:26 PM   #71 
  - "Drug companies have agreed to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors."  depakid   Aug-09-09 08:31 PM   #72 
  - What about health care for all?  jeanpalmer   Aug-10-09 01:14 AM   #87 
  - "they are just insurance reforms, not health care reform"  leftstreet   Aug-10-09 02:00 AM   #89 
  - These insurance reforms are common sense  jeanpalmer   Aug-10-09 02:47 AM   #90 
  - Health reform made simple  SpartanDem   Aug-10-09 03:19 AM   #92 
  - Truth rules  lewiston   Aug-10-09 10:23 AM   #99 
  - On Friday I said Obama needs to dispel some rumors...  JuniperLea   Aug-10-09 12:17 PM   #104 
  - Great job by Obama. Too bad so very few people listen to the Weekly Address. I did a survey  AlinPA   Aug-10-09 03:20 PM   #111 
  - looks like "healthcare reform" is now officially renamed  paulk   Aug-10-09 05:29 PM   #124 
  - The problem in this speech....  OwnedByFerrets   Aug-10-09 05:31 PM   #125 

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