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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:42 PM
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23. It's taken out monthly but probably a yearly cost
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 03:46 PM by TrogL
As to "winning" the next election, perhaps a brief introduction to the wacky world of Canadian politics might be in order.

Canada is a Parliamentary system (similar to Britain's). The election is won by a political party. The head of that party becomes Prime Minister and ostensibly "leads" the country although that leadership is primarily ceremonial - he has no real power at all. There is no equivalent to a President. The Queen signs documents but merely as a formality - the one time she was asked not to the controversy went on for the better part of a year.

There are four main parties.

Conservative - Republican-lite, conservative social, Reaganesque economics (assuming they get away with it which they don't)
Liberal - Centrist but ties to big business, liberal social, Keynesian economics
New Democratic Party (NDP) - left, left, left (they're the ones responsible for the Canadian health care system)
Bloc Quebecois - Quebec nationalists (with no real mandate), all-over-the-place, haven't gotten that far in their thinking

When the Liberals have a charismatic l eader (eg. Trudeau) and good policy wonks (eg. Chretien) they can usually form a majority government and get something accomplished. Currently they have neither.

When the Liberals have managed to get "mud on their face" (name that tune) they go down to defeat and the Conservatives (or whatever the right-wing party is called this week (amusingly, "CRAP" at one point)) often with a minority government, which is when the real fun begins :popcorn:.

In a parliamentary system, the government is in place until it either falls on a Motion of Non confidence or it decides it wants to hold an election (there is a law now in place that mollifies that slightly, but the Conservatives immediately broke that law so :shrug:). But... order to keep "in power" a minority government has to make consessions, and more consessions, and MORE consessions to the point where the NDP (with the least number of seats) is passing bills and the Conservative government's own supporters are up in arms because Harper's turned into a closet Keynesian and saying "if this is what we get for 'winning' an election I'd hate to see what happened if we lost".

So who's going to "win" the next election? I'd say the NDP.

No, I'll never shake hands with Prime Minister Jake Layton (not that I haven't shaken his hands enough times and I have shaken PM Chretien and Martin's hands) - his economic ideas are so "out there" that they make my born-again Communism look like Reganomics, but he's not perceived as having any ties whatsoever into the current economic meltdown, all the health care noise downstairs is making people take a fresh look at some of his ideas for Canada and the NDP is gaining seats in key ridings, especially in Alberta.

I see a minority government - probably Conservative and probably a repeat of the previous scenario:

  • a lot of social conservative noise with no action
  • a lot of noise about Reaganomics masking a Keynesian policy to keep the Liberals happy
  • something on healthcare copied from the NDP playbook
  • some more bones thrown to Quebec


    ...the Liberals suddenly get a charismatic leader (I don't think what's-his-name is if I can't remember his name - Ignatioff??) and a playbook from hell...


  • hell freezes over
  • the Bloc Quebecois gives up in disgust
  • the Conservatives get mired in a juicy political scandal (sex won't do it - Harper could parade in full drag on the steps of Parliament and all that would happen is he'd get invited to the Rocky Horror Show)
  • the Canadian public still hasn't forgiven Chretien (don't ask why that's relevant - this is Canada :shrug:)
  • Jake Layton actually listens to his handlers and keeps some of his wilder ideas under his hat which point who knows what Canada might look like.
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      -I went to the doctor yesterday TrogL  Jul-31-09 12:45 PM   #0 
      - You make me very jealous. And sad. n/t  Laelth   Jul-31-09 12:48 PM   #1 
      - About 3 or 4 different offices, $15-$30.00 in co-pays to GP, then a fee for the  glowing   Jul-31-09 12:51 PM   #2 
      - And don't forget, one of those tests will somehow be found to be for a  Sub Atomic   Jul-31-09 01:08 PM   #9 
      - I don't know about the other tests,  xxqqqzme   Jul-31-09 12:51 PM   #3 
      - My HMO charges $25 co-pay for Office visit...  FoyF   Jul-31-09 12:54 PM   #4 
      - Would cost my family $25.00 for office visit ... $0 for labs...  mscuedawg   Jul-31-09 12:59 PM   #5 
      - Not to long ago I had a similar experience with my doctor...  nyc 4 Biden   Jul-31-09 01:01 PM   #6 
      - How much of your income do you pay in taxes? You pay--you just don't pay at  MADem   Jul-31-09 01:03 PM   #7 
      - I think it's mostly routine stuff  TrogL   Jul-31-09 01:27 PM   #10 
         - I am confused--you have "optional" insurance? Ambulances and drugs aren't covered?  MADem   Jul-31-09 01:52 PM   #12 
            - Not everything is covered and there are wait times  TrogL   Jul-31-09 02:26 PM   #15 
               - I certainly agree that the essential care is there.  MADem   Jul-31-09 02:56 PM   #21 
                  - It's taken out monthly but probably a yearly cost  TrogL   Jul-31-09 03:42 PM   #23 
                     - Heh. I actually do understand the system--I was wondering who'd  MADem   Jul-31-09 06:05 PM   #30 
                        - The bag's not as simple up here, fortunately  Posteritatis   Jul-31-09 06:22 PM   #32 
                        - Hmmmmm. Interesting! nt  MADem   Jul-31-09 06:29 PM   #34 
                        - Depends if the Conservatives (or Liberals) have a leadership review  TrogL   Jul-31-09 06:24 PM   #33 
      - Depends on what kind of insurance some has  dflprincess   Jul-31-09 01:06 PM   #8 
      - .  Hav   Jul-31-09 01:40 PM   #11 
      - I was actually surprised at how few he ticked  TrogL   Jul-31-09 01:52 PM   #13 
      - as the years go by --  xchrom   Jul-31-09 02:23 PM   #14 
      - A big problem with US costs is that people with no insurance pay the highest price  high density   Jul-31-09 02:32 PM   #16 
      - What about the propaganda given regarding people and their docs,  gita   Jul-31-09 02:35 PM   #17 
      - Canada is single payer for ~70% of everything  PolNewf   Jul-31-09 03:14 PM   #22 
      - My experiences  TrogL   Jul-31-09 04:29 PM   #26 
      - About $30 in copays for me...  JuniperLea   Jul-31-09 02:35 PM   #18 
      - Do judging from your description  busymom   Jul-31-09 02:38 PM   #19 
      - He ordered the tests he felt were necessary and didn't have to worry that I couldn't pay for them  TrogL   Jul-31-09 05:06 PM   #28 
      - No idea without isurance you would be a fool to find out that you had a pre existing condition  grantcart   Jul-31-09 02:39 PM   #20 
      - ... I was nervous to hear the ending, ie bottom line  tomm2thumbs   Jul-31-09 03:59 PM   #24 
      - Nothing for me.  newinnm   Jul-31-09 04:20 PM   #25 
      - with insurance my sons bills are mostly from tests  proud patriot   Jul-31-09 04:36 PM   #27 
      - I just signed up for health insurance with my new company this week.  tammywammy   Jul-31-09 05:31 PM   #29 
      - My ins. co. would never approve so many tests. nt  Honeycombe8   Jul-31-09 06:10 PM   #31 
      - Well let me call the bank to see if they will loan me the cash to pay for it...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-31-09 06:30 PM   #35 

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