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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:14 PM
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49. I heart Canada
Used to go up to Manitoulan Island every summer as a kids, lots of family there. My family came to America (Michigan) from Ireland via Canada, many stopped there. Those who went on to Michigan returned to visit those who'd stayed in Canada every summer. Always loved the place.

Great presentation of the perspective of Canadians regarding the lexicon of our health care system. It really is astounding. Your post should be printed on every editorial page in this country.



Cheers :toast:

Julie
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  -Words you'll never hear in the Canadian health care system Canuckistanian  Jul-21-09 02:29 PM   #0 
  - Nice encapsulation of the issues.  Betsy Ross   Jul-21-09 02:32 PM   #1 
  - Thanks n/t  Canuckistanian   Jul-21-09 02:40 PM   #7 
     - This is a great email. I just sent it to my whole list. I hope others do the same.  Maraya1969   Jul-22-09 01:40 PM   #156 
  - K&R. nt  City Lights   Jul-21-09 02:33 PM   #2 
  - Thank you for posting this  livetohike   Jul-21-09 02:35 PM   #3 
  - Be my guest  Canuckistanian   Jul-21-09 02:38 PM   #5 
  - Well it hits upon the major problems with our insurance companies  livetohike   Jul-21-09 02:40 PM   #8 
  - Hi, lovetohike!  offog   Jul-22-09 05:58 PM   #191 
  - i agree  mgcgulfcoast   Jul-21-09 02:36 PM   #4 
  - K & R  fadedrose   Jul-21-09 02:38 PM   #6 
  - And there is not one goddamn good reason why we should not have this in the US  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-21-09 02:40 PM   #9 
  - Oh, wait....  polmaven   Jul-22-09 10:40 AM   #135 
  - K & R  Better Believe It   Jul-21-09 02:40 PM   #10 
  - Thank you for this list.  Kerrytravelers   Jul-21-09 02:45 PM   #11 
  - You're welcome  Canuckistanian   Jul-21-09 02:53 PM   #12 
  - Exactly... and it's the doctors that make 100% of the medical decisions.  Puzzler   Jul-21-09 02:55 PM   #13 
  - It's frustrating, isn't it?  Canuckistanian   Jul-21-09 03:01 PM   #16 
  - Glenn Beck  The Wizard   Jul-21-09 06:49 PM   #46 
  - The lies that your politicians and pundits are telling you  irislake   Jul-21-09 08:02 PM   #55 
     - They're not MY polticians, irislake  Canuckistanian   Jul-22-09 10:23 PM   #196 
  - Those ads  ImOnlySleeping   Jul-22-09 06:45 AM   #117 
  - My Canadian friends wouldn't trade their health care for ours!  Joe Bacon   Jul-22-09 07:46 AM   #118 
  - Our brave Democratic Congress ....  bvar22   Jul-21-09 02:57 PM   #14 
  - Our system offers coverage - cradle to grave  whosinpower   Jul-21-09 03:00 PM   #15 
  - As a fellow Canadian i THANK YOU for posting this!  quantass   Jul-21-09 03:16 PM   #17 
  - Thanks!  Canuckistanian   Jul-21-09 03:24 PM   #19 
  - "Patient Portion"  Lars39   Jul-21-09 03:23 PM   #18 
  - Excellent summary but I need to nitpick one thing...  Spazito   Jul-21-09 03:31 PM   #20 
  - Yes, I realized that after I wrote it  Canuckistanian   Jul-21-09 04:28 PM   #26 
     - I wanted to add it mainly because I didn't want your great summary...  Spazito   Jul-21-09 05:15 PM   #30 
  - I just sent your comments around here & there, eh?  Jackpine Radical   Jul-21-09 03:37 PM   #21 
  - You ought to submit this as an Op Ed to some American newspapers  depakid   Jul-21-09 03:40 PM   #22 
  - +1  baldguy   Jul-21-09 03:44 PM   #23 
  - I agree - please do...n/t  ms liberty   Jul-21-09 08:55 PM   #63 
  - Yes, that's a wonderful idea! -nt  crickets   Jul-21-09 09:30 PM   #72 
  - Not all drug plans are 100%  TrogL   Jul-21-09 03:47 PM   #24 
  - I've always had a 100% plan  Canuckistanian   Jul-21-09 04:30 PM   #27 
  - Why no drug plan?  Laurab   Jul-21-09 05:43 PM   #33 
     - There's been talk of having a drug plan  Canuckistanian   Jul-21-09 07:00 PM   #47 
        - Seniors get "free" drugs don't forget.  irislake   Jul-21-09 08:05 PM   #57 
        - I've talked to so many Canadian's who love their health care  Laurab   Jul-22-09 12:31 PM   #149 
           - Just remember that any griping from Canadians...  Puzzler   Jul-22-09 01:28 PM   #154 
              - ...is from Conservatives lying through their teeth  TrogL   Jul-22-09 02:22 PM   #163 
  - And their health care system is very good. Most of my family go to  jwirr   Jul-21-09 10:28 PM   #82 
  - I don't understand why we can't have this!!  Shireling   Jul-21-09 04:16 PM   #25 
  - because everyone is jealous of OUR system and wishes they had OUR healthcare.  ejpoeta   Jul-22-09 06:01 AM   #114 
  - You are fooling nobody.  FlyingSquirrel   Aug-18-09 07:50 PM   #202 
  - Once again you make me wish my husband of 35+ years and I  Vinca   Jul-21-09 04:46 PM   #28 
  - Thank you, Canuckistan! Excellent post. Because I am constantly hearing this from the  bertman   Jul-21-09 04:46 PM   #29 
  - The massive wait times??  Sodan   Jul-21-09 05:33 PM   #31 
  - You've posted a link to a set of links, but nothing to subtantiate "massive".  JBoy   Jul-21-09 05:43 PM   #32 
     - That's not true, JBoy. If they aren't terminally stupid and live here in North Carolina they  bertman   Jul-21-09 06:11 PM   #37 
  - Thanks, bertman  Canuckistanian   Jul-21-09 06:46 PM   #45 
  - I really appreciate your help on this Canuckistanian. It's good to hear this from one  bertman   Jul-21-09 10:36 PM   #87 
  - I 'm not Canuckistan but am Canadian and...  Spazito   Jul-21-09 08:10 PM   #58 
     - Yes, that does help. A lot. Thank you, Spazito, for that information. We American progressives  bertman   Jul-21-09 10:41 PM   #90 
        - You're very welcome! I would love nothing more than to see....  Spazito   Jul-21-09 11:00 PM   #91 
  - Probably "maximum benefit" too  RobertSeattle   Jul-21-09 05:52 PM   #34 
  - The USA healthcare - of the insurance companies, by the insurance companies, for the insur.........  Rosa Luxemburg   Jul-21-09 05:57 PM   #35 
  - I can never understand why right wingers  livingonearth   Jul-21-09 06:20 PM   #40 
     - well yes, the point should be made by Dems every day  Rosa Luxemburg   Jul-21-09 06:37 PM   #42 
     - Not as long as those dems.......  howmad1   Jul-21-09 11:53 PM   #100 
     - And they have no problem with the government getting between a woman and her doctor  csziggy   Jul-21-09 07:01 PM   #48 
  - This needs to be seen by everyone in the US.  Bette Noir   Jul-21-09 05:58 PM   #36 
  - MASSIVE kick & rec  Wednesdays   Jul-21-09 06:11 PM   #38 
  - We need more of this type of thing....  Bennyboy   Jul-21-09 06:15 PM   #39 
  - Please DO send this to a major American newspaper  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-21-09 06:24 PM   #41 
  - Sending to St. Louis PD now! Got to turn that state blue.  RedCloud   Jul-22-09 11:40 AM   #141 
  - great post - somebody linked to your post on Kos, too  NewJeffCT   Jul-21-09 06:39 PM   #43 
  - Really?  Canuckistanian   Jul-21-09 07:26 PM   #50 
     - Yes, here is the diary  NewJeffCT   Jul-21-09 07:53 PM   #53 
  - I love that we (DU) have you Canucks on our side!  progressoid   Jul-21-09 06:45 PM   #44 
  - I heart Canada  JNelson6563   Jul-21-09 07:14 PM   #49 
  - Thanks!  Canuckistanian   Jul-21-09 07:43 PM   #52 
  - Rub it in why don't you? nt  heliarc   Jul-21-09 07:42 PM   #51 
  - Great List  tnlurker   Jul-21-09 07:56 PM   #54 
  - One of my coworkers recently had to make a trip home to the U.K as his mother was quite ill and not  dflprincess   Jul-21-09 08:04 PM   #56 
  - K/R  moondust   Jul-21-09 08:27 PM   #59 
  - Dirty words that we should never hear -- !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-21-09 08:37 PM   #60 
  - Abortion is a medical procedure and, as such, is fully covered...  Spazito   Jul-21-09 08:49 PM   #62 
  - Just for curiosity's sake  dflprincess   Jul-21-09 09:10 PM   #66 
  - Yes, it is deemed a medical necessity...  Spazito   Jul-21-09 09:13 PM   #68 
     - Reductions are covered here  dflprincess   Jul-21-09 09:59 PM   #77 
        - I have been astounded by the number of hoops both the patient and the doctor....  Spazito   Jul-21-09 11:09 PM   #92 
  - Thank you -- !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-21-09 09:39 PM   #74 
  - For comparison  Prophet 451   Jul-22-09 01:29 AM   #106 
  - Well the baby boomers, corpratist, and southern repiglicans think there is  sasquatch   Jul-21-09 08:47 PM   #61 
  - I don't know why you're lumping boomers into with the other two  dflprincess   Jul-21-09 10:00 PM   #78 
     - But most are  sasquatch   Jul-21-09 10:09 PM   #79 
        - I think it may be the size of the generation  dflprincess   Jul-21-09 10:32 PM   #85 
           - And the part of the country you're in.  sasquatch   Jul-21-09 10:35 PM   #86 
              - Love the pic...  ElboRuum   Jul-22-09 04:59 PM   #180 
  - knr "Fight for it. It's WORTH it." Great post! n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-21-09 09:00 PM   #64 
  - K&R...and I will pass this around if you don't mind...  ms liberty   Jul-21-09 09:03 PM   #65 
  - KNR (nt)  Dinger   Jul-21-09 09:11 PM   #67 
  - That list should be nailed to the forehead of every person in Congress.  Stinky The Clown   Jul-21-09 09:18 PM   #69 
  - Excellent! Thank you for this! K&R  johnaries   Jul-21-09 09:24 PM   #70 
  - Rec # 120  mzmolly   Jul-21-09 09:24 PM   #71 
  - Seconded!...  SidDithers   Jul-21-09 09:38 PM   #73 
  - Where did you hear a sane HEALTH care system was in reach....  ingac70   Jul-21-09 09:40 PM   #75 
  - Thank you :) K & R  winyanstaz   Jul-21-09 09:43 PM   #76 
  - Thank you. One question: Who pays for the drugs for the poor? I  jwirr   Jul-21-09 10:19 PM   #80 
  - Your daughter's prescriptions would be totally covered if....  Spazito   Jul-21-09 11:21 PM   #93 
  - Thank you. This is the group I try to lobby for and it helps to know  jwirr   Jul-22-09 04:26 PM   #179 
  - In Alberta she'd be on AISH ( Alberta Income for the Severely Handicapped)  TrogL   Jul-24-09 10:52 AM   #201 
  - When  BlueIdaho   Jul-21-09 10:23 PM   #81 
  - Well done.  burning rain   Jul-21-09 10:28 PM   #83 
  - Recommend  TexasObserver   Jul-21-09 10:30 PM   #84 
  - rec #147, and.... i could not recommend this enough.... nt  inna   Jul-21-09 10:39 PM   #88 
  - K&R. rec. #150  invictus   Jul-21-09 10:41 PM   #89 
  - Let's fight to get these in our new health plan! Nt  grahamhgreen   Jul-21-09 11:26 PM   #94 
  - I dont understand how this system doesn't immediately collapse  lexanman   Jul-21-09 11:29 PM   #95 
  - K&R  mvd   Jul-21-09 11:29 PM   #96 
  - One thing that is glaringly missing in the Canadian system.  wolfgangmo   Jul-21-09 11:33 PM   #97 
  - I noticed that in Sicko  Canuckistanian   Jul-22-09 12:07 AM   #101 
  - K&R. This is beautiful ! Thank you !! //nt  Overseas   Jul-21-09 11:36 PM   #98 
  - Thanks for those points.  LiberalLovinLug   Jul-21-09 11:37 PM   #99 
  - Canadian here  qwertyMike   Jul-22-09 12:53 AM   #102 
  - Hey, qwertyMike  Canuckistanian   Jul-22-09 01:02 AM   #103 
  - "Fight for it. It's worth it"  Tindalos   Jul-22-09 01:07 AM   #104 
  - Much the same here  Prophet 451   Jul-22-09 01:27 AM   #105 
  - I'm covered by the VA, and I could spout the same list.  Sirveri   Jul-22-09 01:30 AM   #107 
  - Correction: BC MSP has a monthly premium  Oregone   Jul-22-09 02:46 AM   #108 
  - Yes, I know. Spazito corrected me.  Canuckistanian   Jul-22-09 03:15 AM   #109 
  - ditto all of that for the Australian Medicare system..works exactly the same and  Swagman   Jul-22-09 03:48 AM   #110 
  - Thank you!  Habibi   Jul-22-09 04:22 AM   #111 
  - Two links that show subsidy and premium schedules for medical and drug coverage in British Columbia  Monk06   Jul-22-09 04:42 AM   #112 
  - K&R  liberal N proud   Jul-22-09 05:03 AM   #113 
  - k & r  a kennedy   Jul-22-09 06:32 AM   #115 
  - Thanks for that list!  kedrys   Jul-22-09 06:45 AM   #116 
  - i am not bullshittin'  Blue_Tires   Jul-22-09 07:49 AM   #119 
  - The insanity we've been living under for so many years. Who wants to keep it?  gtar100   Jul-22-09 07:53 AM   #120 
  - Proud to be the 200th Rec.  harun   Jul-22-09 07:57 AM   #121 
  - K & Highly rec'd nt  Christa   Jul-22-09 08:04 AM   #122 
  - Sounds like a wonderful, beautiful dream. K & R.  chill_wind   Jul-22-09 08:31 AM   #123 
  - I digress  jimha   Jul-22-09 08:34 AM   #124 
  - Really? I believe you are a liar. Plain and simple. Your post is meant to appeal to the most  Raster   Jul-22-09 09:21 AM   #126 
  - What you are doing is not "digressing"  ElboRuum   Jul-22-09 09:27 AM   #127 
  - Numbers  jimha   Jul-22-09 10:19 AM   #132 
     - Ah. I see...  ElboRuum   Jul-22-09 02:47 PM   #165 
        - I'm sure he would feel better  izquierdista   Jul-22-09 08:13 PM   #195 
  - Lucky you. But in a for-profit "choice system" as in the US, all your healthy lifestyle  haele   Jul-22-09 09:41 AM   #128 
  - Hello, there, Mr. Cigna! nt  valerief   Jul-22-09 09:52 AM   #130 
  - ROFLMAO!  Spazito   Jul-22-09 10:13 AM   #131 
  - Hey ROFLAO  jimha   Jul-22-09 10:27 AM   #133 
     - Another piece of advice...  Spazito   Jul-22-09 10:39 AM   #134 
     - ROFLMAO  jimha   Jul-22-09 11:10 AM   #137 
     - Canadians, real Canadians, would know immediately what I was...  Spazito   Jul-22-09 11:19 AM   #138 
        - Was a test ?  jimha   Jul-22-09 11:28 AM   #139 
           - "Sorry Spazito but I don't know what you are talking about."  Spazito   Jul-22-09 12:27 PM   #147 
              - Spazito - Global comparison  jimha   Jul-22-09 01:04 PM   #151 
                 - Thanks again for bumping the thread up!  Spazito   Jul-22-09 01:21 PM   #153 
                 - So long  jimha   Jul-22-09 01:37 PM   #155 
                    - Bye bye!  Spazito   Jul-22-09 01:44 PM   #157 
                 - Why is it Freepers always turn on the "plain text" feature and disable their profile?  TrogL   Jul-22-09 02:50 PM   #166 
                    - I think they think we can't tell it's them... they're being sneeeeaaaky.  ElboRuum   Jul-22-09 03:09 PM   #168 
                    - Hello  jimha   Jul-22-09 03:20 PM   #169 
     - Info  jimha   Jul-22-09 03:53 PM   #174 
        - Ahh, welcome back!  Spazito   Jul-22-09 04:17 PM   #177 
           - Thank you  jimha   Jul-22-09 04:24 PM   #178 
              - I really hate to do this to you but ROFLMAO yet again...  Spazito   Jul-22-09 05:02 PM   #181 
                 - CCF  jimha   Jul-22-09 05:22 PM   #184 
                    - How about the other CCF?  Spazito   Jul-22-09 05:25 PM   #185 
                       - Other CCF  jimha   Jul-22-09 05:34 PM   #186 
                       - Okay, will do...  Spazito   Jul-22-09 05:53 PM   #190 
                       - PS  jimha   Jul-22-09 05:37 PM   #187 
                          - Ahh, not Calgary here...  Spazito   Jul-22-09 05:40 PM   #188 
     - I've never had a doctor complain about "aches and pains"  TrogL   Jul-22-09 11:29 AM   #140 
     - Dollars  jimha   Jul-22-09 11:47 AM   #143 
        - Yeah, well, when I come in complaining of chest pains and shortness of breath  TrogL   Jul-22-09 02:55 PM   #167 
           - Come again  jimha   Jul-22-09 03:28 PM   #171 
     - Well I'm in Saskatchewan right now.  Swede   Jul-22-09 03:27 PM   #170 
        - Rider pride  jimha   Jul-22-09 03:31 PM   #173 
           - Yep.  Swede   Jul-22-09 03:53 PM   #175 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-22-09 04:05 PM   #176 
  - This would be a remarkable story except for two points:  Fla Dem   Jul-22-09 05:46 PM   #189 
  - So you're NOT your brother's keeper  ProudDad   Jul-22-09 07:49 PM   #194 
  - THIS NEEDS TO GO VIRAL!!!!!  garthranzz   Jul-22-09 09:13 AM   #125 
  - It did. It's on DailyKos  TrogL   Jul-22-09 11:52 AM   #144 
  - One more: "Claim denied."  valerief   Jul-22-09 09:50 AM   #129 
  - Excellent! Smashing! K&R.  David Zephyr   Jul-22-09 11:01 AM   #136 
  - Kicking as this needs to stay at the top  Veruca Salt   Jul-22-09 11:46 AM   #142 
  - knr!!! n/t  indimuse   Jul-22-09 12:03 PM   #145 
  - Way to go Canuckistanian!  Enthusiast   Jul-22-09 12:04 PM   #146 
  - convenient payment plan  enid602   Jul-22-09 12:31 PM   #148 
  - LOL, 50% off-the-top???  Spazito   Jul-22-09 12:48 PM   #150 
  - Ummm...WTF???  LynnTheDem   Jul-23-09 12:13 PM   #199 
  - I notice the fake Democrat(s) claiming to be a Blue Dog  Kingofalldems   Jul-22-09 01:08 PM   #152 
  - AWESOMELY EXCELLENT POST!!!  NanceGreggs   Jul-22-09 01:48 PM   #158 
  - Thanks, Nance!  Canuckistanian   Jul-22-09 02:19 PM   #161 
     - Well, it's less than pleasantly aromatic at this point!  NanceGreggs   Jul-22-09 02:42 PM   #164 
  - Another one: "Charging Room". A Canadian RN at a health care convention I  K Gardner   Jul-22-09 01:49 PM   #159 
  - Just saw a TV ad with an alleged Canadian  Ino   Jul-22-09 02:00 PM   #160 
  - For-Profit insurance tool Shona Holmes is a FRAUD.  HughBeaumont   Jul-22-09 02:21 PM   #162 
  - Funny thing is, it wasn't even a fucking tumor  dropkickpa   Jul-23-09 07:49 AM   #197 
  - From another Canadian,that sounds about dead on Canuckistanian.  Swede   Jul-22-09 03:29 PM   #172 
  - Peace of mind  ROFF   Jul-22-09 05:04 PM   #182 
  - Excellent post!  Spazito   Jul-22-09 05:21 PM   #183 
  - Damn. Too late to R!!!  blaze   Jul-22-09 06:15 PM   #192 
  - Kick (n/t)  ProudDad   Jul-22-09 07:46 PM   #193 
  - Kick.  area51   Jul-23-09 10:20 AM   #198 
  - ttt  Blue_Tires   Jul-24-09 09:26 AM   #200 
  - Whilst I agree with you on your post, you have to remember that  akbacchus_BC   Aug-19-09 12:35 AM   #203 
  - Bravo.  JeffR   Aug-19-09 12:46 AM   #204 
  - JeffR, you and Nance are such a great voice of reason on here, I  akbacchus_BC   Aug-19-09 12:58 AM   #205 
     - Thank you very much. The sad reality is that some Dems simply bite.  JeffR   Aug-19-09 01:11 AM   #206 
        - Thank you for your response. I really do love my country and I wish  akbacchus_BC   Aug-19-09 01:17 AM   #207 
           - They probably wouldn't mind personally, but their corporate masters  JeffR   Aug-19-09 01:21 AM   #208 
              - Thank you for that perspective but what can we do to help President  akbacchus_BC   Aug-19-09 01:26 AM   #210 
                 - You're right. A lot of it, it seems, is conditioning.  JeffR   Aug-19-09 01:34 AM   #212 
  - Being Canadian i take for granted my AMAZING healthcare system -- this drama in the States is like a  quantass   Aug-19-09 01:24 AM   #209 
     - And we are so lucky! How could the richest and most powerful nation  akbacchus_BC   Aug-19-09 01:28 AM   #211 
 

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