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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 06:24 AM
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20. Ummm because I read.....
Seriously there has been no discussion about folding in either program into the public option, Or expanding those programs to cover the uninusred.

You would think that would be the simimplet approach, but it is very clear that there is no debate along those lines.
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  -Would it be possible to have the public option run by the insurance companies Perky  Jul-21-09 05:34 AM   #0 
  - no. and the gov't has the infrastructure already.  cali   Jul-21-09 05:45 AM   #1 
  - I agree  ccharles000   Jul-21-09 05:49 AM   #2 
  - What? Medicare and Medicaid?  Perky   Jul-21-09 05:52 AM   #3 
     - See my post below re: Medicare... Medicaid is jointly run by states  hlthe2b   Jul-21-09 05:59 AM   #6 
        - No sneers  Perky   Jul-21-09 06:09 AM   #13 
           - Yet you are not concerned about insurance fraud?  hlthe2b   Jul-21-09 06:11 AM   #16 
              - WHere did I say that?  Perky   Jul-21-09 06:27 AM   #22 
              - Fighting fraud in every context is always a necessity  hlthe2b   Jul-21-09 06:35 AM   #24 
              - Government estimates are that fraud costs Medicare $60 billion/year  bornskeptic   Jul-21-09 07:05 AM   #29 
                 - There has been an increase in Federal prosecutions....  hlthe2b   Jul-21-09 07:12 AM   #33 
  - Medicare averages 2 1/2 % overhead  hlthe2b   Jul-21-09 05:56 AM   #4 
  - Of course I am  Perky   Jul-21-09 06:02 AM   #8 
  - Yes... we must look out for the poor widdle insurance companies  hlthe2b   Jul-21-09 06:10 AM   #14 
     - I don't want the status quo aither.  Perky   Jul-21-09 06:14 AM   #17 
        - And you know this, how?  hlthe2b   Jul-21-09 06:19 AM   #19 
        - Ummm because I read.....  Perky   Jul-21-09 06:24 AM   #20 
           - Then perhaps you need to "READ" a bit more about the  hlthe2b   Jul-21-09 06:33 AM   #23 
              - I thought we were talking about medicare and medicaid  Perky   Jul-21-09 09:28 AM   #45 
        - wtf? 'bitch slapping'?  endarkenment   Jul-21-09 06:56 AM   #27 
           - did you happen to read the rest of the subthread?  Perky   Jul-21-09 09:36 AM   #46 
              - The private insurers cannot compete with a real public option  endarkenment   Jul-21-09 10:14 AM   #48 
  - FYI The claims management portion of medicare is contracted out...  Princess Turandot   Jul-21-09 01:38 PM   #58 
     - FWIW, I mentioned this early this AM and absolutely nobody...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-21-09 01:49 PM   #59 
        - This surprises you?  Perky   Jul-22-09 10:00 AM   #68 
  - How about combining Medicare and Medicaid into  shraby   Jul-21-09 05:57 AM   #5 
  - Insurance companies wouldn't do it unless there was a profit  liberal N proud   Jul-21-09 06:01 AM   #7 
  - why?  Perky   Jul-21-09 06:03 AM   #9 
  - because they are for profit entities, answerable to stock holders.  cali   Jul-21-09 06:08 AM   #11 
     - But in this case they would also have contractual obligation to the feds.  Perky   Jul-21-09 06:11 AM   #15 
        - Its all about the shareholder in the corporate world  liberal N proud   Jul-21-09 06:19 AM   #18 
  - Not obvious  zipplewrath   Jul-21-09 07:12 AM   #34 
  - Fox in hen-house. ..Just my opinion. Another way to enrich their  yy4me   Jul-21-09 06:08 AM   #10 
  - Explain how? Except getting paid by the government.  vaberella   Jul-21-09 06:56 AM   #26 
     - Sure let's put KBR in charge. Or how about Halliburton?  avaistheone1   Jul-22-09 10:33 AM   #70 
  - The insurance companies, and the politicians they pay off, are the problem.  saltpoint   Jul-21-09 06:09 AM   #12 
  - Foxes guarding the henhouse. Uh, no. n/t  backscatter712   Jul-21-09 06:24 AM   #21 
  - It can't, the government would have a self interested role because they're funding. n/t  vaberella   Jul-21-09 06:57 AM   #28 
     - And the insurance companies wouldn't find a way to game the system?  backscatter712   Jul-21-09 12:21 PM   #55 
     - The government's so called 'self interested" role has not worked to well in their  avaistheone1   Jul-22-09 11:30 AM   #73 
  - That would make it a for profit non-public option  endarkenment   Jul-21-09 06:52 AM   #25 
  - I hope it covers dyslexia. nt  masuki bance   Jul-21-09 07:05 AM   #30 
  - HEY! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT! THANK YOU FROM YOUR AETNA COVERAGE DENIER!  FormerDittoHead   Jul-21-09 07:07 AM   #31 
  - The idea could work if we want another way to destroy an insurance company.  vaberella   Jul-21-09 07:08 AM   #32 
  - Great comments.. but WHo says the Public Option would be free>  Perky   Jul-21-09 09:12 AM   #39 
     - Let me rephrase. By default it would be similar almost to the way medicaid is set up. n/t  vaberella   Jul-21-09 12:13 PM   #53 
  - Ins Co's make money off investments in stocks and such, seems like  BR_Parkway   Jul-21-09 07:16 AM   #35 
  - Medicare already works this way...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-21-09 08:13 AM   #36 
  - The nature of the insurance business is NOT to mitigate risk, it is to  harun   Jul-21-09 08:27 AM   #37 
  - Denyying coverages and increasing preiums is risk mitigation  Perky   Jul-21-09 09:13 AM   #40 
     - I suppose in terms of mitigating risk to their balance sheets but definitely  harun   Jul-21-09 09:16 AM   #41 
        - Yeah ok  Perky   Jul-21-09 09:25 AM   #43 
           - You had two choices, you get to pick one  harun   Jul-21-09 11:04 AM   #49 
  - Hell fucking no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! eom  Hepburn   Jul-21-09 08:54 AM   #38 
  - What would be the incentive for insurance companies running public option?  LiberalFighter   Jul-21-09 09:20 AM   #42 
  - Income predicatability  Perky   Jul-21-09 09:27 AM   #44 
  - A long term Government Contract to provide  Thothmes   Jul-21-09 06:39 PM   #66 
  - It Might be Feasible  On the Road   Jul-21-09 10:00 AM   #47 
  - Would it be possible to have Pat Robertson run the American Atheists Association?  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-21-09 11:15 AM   #50 
  - Brilliant! We could let General Dynamics, Lockheed, & KBR share control of the General Acct. Office!  kenny blankenship   Jul-21-09 01:59 PM   #60 
     - Fred Phelps can be the new chairman of PFLAG  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-21-09 02:37 PM   #61 
        - Exxon-Mobil could be put in charge of the EPA  kenny blankenship   Jul-21-09 02:55 PM   #62 
  - Medicaid and Military benefits already are to very large extent.  TheKentuckian   Jul-21-09 11:16 AM   #51 
  - Yup. n/t  vaberella   Jul-21-09 12:14 PM   #54 
  - The necessary regulation would be portrayed as the government takeover  GOTV   Jul-21-09 11:23 AM   #52 
  - they do an okay job with people who have government subsidized insurance (e.g., federal employees)  Orangepeel   Jul-21-09 12:32 PM   #56 
  - We (taxpayers) pay for those low copays, the no exclusions and low caps.  endarkenment   Jul-21-09 12:50 PM   #57 
     - Of course. But the question wasn't if insurance companies can be benevolent  Orangepeel   Jul-22-09 10:39 AM   #72 
  - Yes...  Puzzler   Jul-21-09 02:57 PM   #63 
  - Private insurance companies are FOR PROFIT...  Spazito   Jul-21-09 03:05 PM   #64 
  - But they would be getting millions of new policy holders with a much smaller incremental and costs  Perky   Jul-21-09 06:23 PM   #65 
  - No upside. All downside. Do. Not. Want. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-21-09 06:41 PM   #67 
  - Private companies would only do so if there was a profit to be made.  kiva   Jul-22-09 10:24 AM   #69 
  - Actually no.  Perky   Jul-22-09 02:09 PM   #74 
  - Hell No!  Aramchek   Jul-22-09 10:35 AM   #71 
 

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