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Edited on Sat Jul-18-09 09:50 AM by Better Believe It
"Public Option" Would Only Be Available To The Otherwise Uninsured
TPM Cafe
July 16, 2009

I'm not sure that people really understand how the "public option" would work, given the rhetoric of the adminstration that people could "keep" their current insurance if they want to or choose a public option.

Last night on The Daily Show, Secretary Sebelius, in response to a question, made things a bit clearer regarding just how the public option would work. She was asked "who would choose" whether or not to use the public option: the employee or the employer? The Secretary said essentially it would be the choice of the employer because if the employer provides health insurance then that is the insurance the employee would have to use. Only if the employer chose not to provide health insurance would the employee be able to enroll in the public option.

Most of the people I know that have employer provided health insurance are glad they have insurance as opposed to not having it, but they hate the plans they have because the expense is totally unreasonable and with each passing year, less and less coverage is provided while costs go up. So, leaving the choice to employers is not the same as providing choice to citizens at all.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/oleeb/2...

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It appears that the "public plan" may not kick in for employers with more than 20 employees unless "the Commissioner" permits larger employers to join the public plan in 2015!

And congressional aides say only about 9 million will be insured by public plan by 2019! 21 million will be insured by private companies in the exchange by 2019. Another 164 million would be insured with private insurance through their employers.


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The Health Insurance Exchange: It's run nationally, though states can opt out of the national structure and go it alone if they choose, and if they follow federal rules. In the first year, it accepts those without health insurance, those who are buying health insurance on their own, and small businesses with fewer than 10 people. In the second year, it accepts small businesses with fewer than 20 people. After that, "larger employers as permitted by the Commissioner." In other words, expansion is discretionary, not mandated. The only people able to access the public plan in the early years will be on the exchange, and the exchange will be, relative to the population, pretty limited. So the public plan will be limited, and so too will any anticipated savings.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/07/the...


http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT...
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  -For many workers, insurance choices may be limited after health care overhaul Better Believe It  Jul-17-09 03:41 PM   #0 
  - Shocker. Does anyone else believe that maintaining failed employer-based insurance system,  Vincardog   Jul-17-09 03:47 PM   #1 
  - Only the health insurance industry.  MNDemNY   Jul-17-09 03:51 PM   #2 
  - This is bogus. The public plan isn't competing with private plans...  Eric J in MN   Jul-17-09 03:52 PM   #3 
  - those who are fortunate enough to have health care provided by the employers......  FrenchieCat   Jul-17-09 04:00 PM   #6 
     - If they have high out-of-pocket costs with their insurance through work,  Eric J in MN   Jul-17-09 04:05 PM   #9 
     - Answer: plenty of employers offer SHIT coverage for HIGH prices.  elehhhhna   Jul-17-09 04:24 PM   #12 
     - Larger companies who could afford better  dflprincess   Jul-18-09 12:41 AM   #26 
        - we got a stiff hike in out-of-pocket costs from Cigna this year --  elehhhhna   Jul-18-09 07:27 PM   #32 
     - Some employer insurances are lousy, because companies cant pay the premium increases and  Mass   Jul-17-09 06:56 PM   #18 
  - Are there any other countries who have employer-based health insurance?  earthboundmisfit   Jul-17-09 03:56 PM   #4 
  - We must maintain the lousy system which no other developed country has because...  Eric J in MN   Jul-17-09 04:06 PM   #10 
  - So apart from insuring the uninsured, and providing subsidies for those who can barely afford  FrenchieCat   Jul-17-09 03:57 PM   #5 
  - You really don't understand this at all, do you?  Better Believe It   Jul-17-09 04:26 PM   #13 
  - The point of "reform" was to improve access for everyone  dflprincess   Jul-18-09 12:45 AM   #27 
  - they already are limited  Doctor_J   Jul-17-09 04:03 PM   #7 
  - I haven't been able to afford insurance for 19 years.  boppers   Jul-17-09 04:05 PM   #8 
  - Interesting how the purist pretty much ignored you.  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Jul-17-09 06:19 PM   #16 
  - I'd like to be able to shop public, private, etc.  boppers   Jul-17-09 07:24 PM   #20 
  - Well, this also means you will have a lousy coverage, because people in good health  Mass   Jul-17-09 07:02 PM   #19 
     - And setting the public option up to fail  dflprincess   Jul-18-09 12:47 AM   #28 
  - workers have insurance choices now? I mean other than yes or no?  elehhhhna   Jul-17-09 04:23 PM   #11 
  - So you think it will stay pretty much the same.  Better Believe It   Jul-17-09 04:32 PM   #14 
     - hope not. the current "system" is sooooo illogical.  elehhhhna   Jul-17-09 04:57 PM   #15 
  - Only 9 - 10 million by 2019 !!!  bvar22   Jul-17-09 06:49 PM   #17 
  - They need at least 20 million  ipaint   Jul-17-09 09:07 PM   #22 
  - Yep - MEGA-Fail.  kath   Jul-17-09 10:16 PM   #25 
  - Can the employer get insurance for all the employees with the public option? NT  Eric J in MN   Jul-17-09 09:04 PM   #21 
  - In many cases the answer to your question is no. And here is how it works ....  Better Believe It   Jul-17-09 10:02 PM   #23 
     - There is not much competition, then.  Eric J in MN   Jul-18-09 08:36 AM   #29 
        - Check out these articles.  Better Believe It   Jul-18-09 09:47 AM   #30 
  - CHANGE I DON'T BELIEVE IN.  kath   Jul-17-09 10:14 PM   #24 
  - That's okay for now. Let's get a public option up and running. Then we'll see...  Honeycombe8   Jul-18-09 10:26 AM   #31 
  - Exactly  PolNewf   Jul-18-09 07:57 PM   #33 
  - I think anyone willing to settle for this needs to be required  ipaint   Jul-18-09 08:35 PM   #34 
 

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