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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 04:42 PM
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40. To be honest, I can't believe employers haven't done that.
Why the hell do they all keep paying ridiculous amounts of money without question? :shrug:

Most individuals and families can't afford a decent health insurance plan on their own. The majority of "good" plans come from employers. It seems to me that only way we'll get single-payer in this country is if all the companies say, "F*ck it! We're not paying these prices anymore! They're ripping us off!" With the vast majority of Americans without insurance, something would have to be done ... right?
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  -"Public Option" Would Only Be Available To The Otherwise Uninsured Better Believe It  Jul-16-09 11:52 AM   #0 
  - In any case, make no mistake, it will shock may private co.'s into reducing costs.  RBInMaine   Jul-16-09 11:54 AM   #1 
  - Only 9 million people will be covered by the public option in 2019  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 11:57 AM   #2 
  - You are working off just one estimate. And tell me, then why are R's and Ins. co's fighting public  RBInMaine   Jul-16-09 12:05 PM   #5 
     - Because they don't want any healthcare that involves the gov't and that might tax the rich.  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 12:11 PM   #9 
        - Yes, it was a rhetorical question. Fact is, public option scares the shit out of the corporate  RBInMaine   Jul-16-09 06:02 PM   #46 
  - LOL. Yeah, they sure will be shocked and awed  Oregone   Jul-16-09 05:13 PM   #42 
  - So if our employer pays for a portion of our health insurance, the insurance  valerief   Jul-16-09 11:57 AM   #3 
  - If that interpretation is correct, it is not really a public option  Still Sensible   Jul-16-09 12:04 PM   #4 
  - Well, right now the average is 12k per employee...that's the avg. If they're talking about  uponit7771   Jul-16-09 12:13 PM   #11 
  - Then this bill is non-reform "reform", which will likely be worse than  kath   Jul-16-09 12:05 PM   #6 
  - What is an employer likely to do? Keep using the insurance they have with higher premiums  LiberalFighter   Jul-16-09 12:07 PM   #7 
  - They can't go with the public plan before 2015 and might even be excluded after 2015!  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 12:16 PM   #12 
  - Avg employer plan cost 12k, I think they might go public option...I can see 5000 being an...  uponit7771   Jul-16-09 12:34 PM   #17 
  - If it proves cheaper, as is likely, wouldn't private companies have incentives to offer it?  damntexdem   Jul-16-09 12:10 PM   #8 
  - Priate companies can't offer the public plan if they have over 20 employees  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 12:18 PM   #15 
  - Well, hell....tell Doctor Dean to shut up and sit down.  madfloridian   Jul-16-09 12:11 PM   #10 
  - She also replied, 'Not necessarily' when Stewart asked if the public plan would cost less.  flpoljunkie   Jul-16-09 12:16 PM   #13 
  - Of course not. That would be an unlevel playing field for private insurance!  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 12:20 PM   #16 
  - I want to keep my insurance thru my job which is very good, but I'm glad to know that if I ever lost  WI_DEM   Jul-16-09 12:17 PM   #14 
  - ..at 5000.00 per person per year MINIMUM a family of four pays 1700 a month...that stupid  uponit7771   Jul-16-09 12:37 PM   #18 
  - So if my employer (like one I had in the past)  juno jones   Jul-16-09 02:11 PM   #19 
  - That appears to be correct.  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 02:17 PM   #21 
  - I can wait in emergency now.  juno jones   Jul-17-09 02:10 PM   #57 
  - Employers' insurance must comply with the new guidelines. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-16-09 02:36 PM   #24 
     - I hope so.  juno jones   Jul-17-09 02:15 PM   #58 
  - I LOVE it, it's PERFECT for me and millions of others.  NYC_SKP   Jul-16-09 02:16 PM   #20 
  - I think that is misleading. I can't see them not allowing businesses  harun   Jul-16-09 02:22 PM   #22 
  - Sebelius implied that businesses would likely opt for the public package.  NYC_SKP   Jul-16-09 02:37 PM   #25 
  - The bill clearly states that employers with over 20 workers can't qualify for the "public option" ..  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 02:58 PM   #27 
     - They should change that. The big employers are where they could  harun   Jul-16-09 03:41 PM   #32 
  - It's true that members of a group plan through an employer...  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-16-09 02:35 PM   #23 
  - Many employers can't contract with the public plan if they want to!  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 03:21 PM   #28 
     - In the short run, this is true.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-16-09 03:34 PM   #30 
        - A lot of maybe's!  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 03:51 PM   #34 
           - No. Bullshit. Stop the misinformation.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-16-09 04:20 PM   #36 
              - I wiil now prove you are 100% wrong. Haven't read the legislation?  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 05:21 PM   #44 
                 - You are right. I am wrong.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-16-09 06:23 PM   #48 
                    - No problem. We all make honest mistakes. Even me!  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 09:26 PM   #53 
  - What would stop employers from simply dropping their health insurance plan?  BattyDem   Jul-16-09 02:41 PM   #26 
  - What prevents them from dropping their health insurance plan now?  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-16-09 03:25 PM   #29 
     - I don't think employers want unhealthy employees working for them.  CTyankee   Jul-16-09 03:39 PM   #31 
     - Nothing. In fact, employers have been doing that or cutting benefits.  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 03:46 PM   #33 
     - which makes getting something in place this year more urgent, right? n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-16-09 04:20 PM   #37 
        - Right. But that won't happen under the bill.  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 04:31 PM   #39 
     - To be honest, I can't believe employers haven't done that.  BattyDem   Jul-16-09 04:42 PM   #40 
        - Yeah, I suppose the survivors might do that. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-16-09 04:57 PM   #41 
           - I don't understand your comment.  BattyDem   Jul-16-09 08:29 PM   #50 
              - If the vast majority of people became uninsured...  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-16-09 10:05 PM   #55 
                 - Oh ok ... thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't sure what you meant. :-)  BattyDem   Jul-17-09 01:58 PM   #56 
  - I don't like Op-eds of what someone says. Give me the direct quote from Sebelius or it's crap. n/t  vaberella   Jul-16-09 03:56 PM   #35 
  - Does it need to be notarized by Sebelius to meet your requirements?  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 04:30 PM   #38 
  - Private insurers will be competing for those eligible for subsidies in the health insurance exchange  flpoljunkie   Jul-16-09 05:18 PM   #43 
  - YES WE CAN !!!  quidam56   Jul-16-09 05:35 PM   #45 
  - Well we know whatever passes the Senate will be worse than the House  madville   Jul-16-09 06:11 PM   #47 
  - Also keep in mind the insurance ind. needs us, we don't need them  ipaint   Jul-16-09 07:41 PM   #49 
  - I saw Sebelius on the Daily Show last night  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-16-09 08:36 PM   #51 
  - so we're supposed to consider any health care 'reform' -- no matter how convoluted and  xchrom   Jul-16-09 09:11 PM   #52 
  - House & Senate bills restrict access to public option through a process called "firewalling".  Better Believe It   Jul-16-09 09:34 PM   #54 
 

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