harun
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Thu Jul-16-09 02:22 PM
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| 22. I think that is misleading. I can't see them not allowing businesses |
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to choose to have the Public Option along side their current choices for employees to choose from. I don't think all would do it but certainly some would choose to.
I don't think that was clear. If they actually put in to this bill some bullsh*t about employers not being able to have this as a selection for their employees no matter what then that is completely unacceptable.
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| -"Public Option" Would Only Be Available To The Otherwise Uninsured |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 11:52 AM |
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In any case, make no mistake, it will shock may private co.'s into reducing costs. |
RBInMaine |
Jul-16-09 11:54 AM |
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Only 9 million people will be covered by the public option in 2019 |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 11:57 AM |
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You are working off just one estimate. And tell me, then why are R's and Ins. co's fighting public |
RBInMaine |
Jul-16-09 12:05 PM |
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Because they don't want any healthcare that involves the gov't and that might tax the rich. |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 12:11 PM |
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Yes, it was a rhetorical question. Fact is, public option scares the shit out of the corporate |
RBInMaine |
Jul-16-09 06:02 PM |
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LOL. Yeah, they sure will be shocked and awed |
Oregone |
Jul-16-09 05:13 PM |
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So if our employer pays for a portion of our health insurance, the insurance |
valerief |
Jul-16-09 11:57 AM |
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If that interpretation is correct, it is not really a public option |
Still Sensible |
Jul-16-09 12:04 PM |
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Well, right now the average is 12k per employee...that's the avg. If they're talking about |
uponit7771 |
Jul-16-09 12:13 PM |
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Then this bill is non-reform "reform", which will likely be worse than |
kath |
Jul-16-09 12:05 PM |
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What is an employer likely to do? Keep using the insurance they have with higher premiums |
LiberalFighter |
Jul-16-09 12:07 PM |
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They can't go with the public plan before 2015 and might even be excluded after 2015! |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 12:16 PM |
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Avg employer plan cost 12k, I think they might go public option...I can see 5000 being an... |
uponit7771 |
Jul-16-09 12:34 PM |
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If it proves cheaper, as is likely, wouldn't private companies have incentives to offer it? |
damntexdem |
Jul-16-09 12:10 PM |
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Priate companies can't offer the public plan if they have over 20 employees |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 12:18 PM |
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Well, hell....tell Doctor Dean to shut up and sit down. |
madfloridian |
Jul-16-09 12:11 PM |
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She also replied, 'Not necessarily' when Stewart asked if the public plan would cost less. |
flpoljunkie |
Jul-16-09 12:16 PM |
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Of course not. That would be an unlevel playing field for private insurance! |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 12:20 PM |
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I want to keep my insurance thru my job which is very good, but I'm glad to know that if I ever lost |
WI_DEM |
Jul-16-09 12:17 PM |
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..at 5000.00 per person per year MINIMUM a family of four pays 1700 a month...that stupid |
uponit7771 |
Jul-16-09 12:37 PM |
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So if my employer (like one I had in the past) |
juno jones |
Jul-16-09 02:11 PM |
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That appears to be correct. |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 02:17 PM |
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I can wait in emergency now. |
juno jones |
Jul-17-09 02:10 PM |
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Employers' insurance must comply with the new guidelines. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-16-09 02:36 PM |
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I hope so. |
juno jones |
Jul-17-09 02:15 PM |
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I LOVE it, it's PERFECT for me and millions of others. |
NYC_SKP |
Jul-16-09 02:16 PM |
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I think that is misleading. I can't see them not allowing businesses |
harun |
Jul-16-09 02:22 PM |
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Sebelius implied that businesses would likely opt for the public package. |
NYC_SKP |
Jul-16-09 02:37 PM |
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The bill clearly states that employers with over 20 workers can't qualify for the "public option" .. |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 02:58 PM |
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They should change that. The big employers are where they could |
harun |
Jul-16-09 03:41 PM |
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It's true that members of a group plan through an employer... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-16-09 02:35 PM |
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Many employers can't contract with the public plan if they want to! |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 03:21 PM |
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In the short run, this is true. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-16-09 03:34 PM |
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A lot of maybe's! |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 03:51 PM |
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No. Bullshit. Stop the misinformation. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-16-09 04:20 PM |
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I wiil now prove you are 100% wrong. Haven't read the legislation? |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 05:21 PM |
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You are right. I am wrong. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-16-09 06:23 PM |
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No problem. We all make honest mistakes. Even me! |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 09:26 PM |
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What would stop employers from simply dropping their health insurance plan? |
BattyDem |
Jul-16-09 02:41 PM |
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What prevents them from dropping their health insurance plan now? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-16-09 03:25 PM |
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I don't think employers want unhealthy employees working for them. |
CTyankee |
Jul-16-09 03:39 PM |
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Nothing. In fact, employers have been doing that or cutting benefits. |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 03:46 PM |
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which makes getting something in place this year more urgent, right? n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-16-09 04:20 PM |
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Right. But that won't happen under the bill. |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 04:31 PM |
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To be honest, I can't believe employers haven't done that. |
BattyDem |
Jul-16-09 04:42 PM |
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Yeah, I suppose the survivors might do that. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-16-09 04:57 PM |
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I don't understand your comment. |
BattyDem |
Jul-16-09 08:29 PM |
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If the vast majority of people became uninsured... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-16-09 10:05 PM |
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Oh ok ... thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't sure what you meant. :-) |
BattyDem |
Jul-17-09 01:58 PM |
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I don't like Op-eds of what someone says. Give me the direct quote from Sebelius or it's crap. n/t |
vaberella |
Jul-16-09 03:56 PM |
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Does it need to be notarized by Sebelius to meet your requirements? |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 04:30 PM |
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Private insurers will be competing for those eligible for subsidies in the health insurance exchange |
flpoljunkie |
Jul-16-09 05:18 PM |
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YES WE CAN !!! |
quidam56 |
Jul-16-09 05:35 PM |
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Well we know whatever passes the Senate will be worse than the House |
madville |
Jul-16-09 06:11 PM |
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Also keep in mind the insurance ind. needs us, we don't need them |
ipaint |
Jul-16-09 07:41 PM |
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I saw Sebelius on the Daily Show last night |
Sebastian Doyle |
Jul-16-09 08:36 PM |
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so we're supposed to consider any health care 'reform' -- no matter how convoluted and |
xchrom |
Jul-16-09 09:11 PM |
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House & Senate bills restrict access to public option through a process called "firewalling". |
Better Believe It |
Jul-16-09 09:34 PM |
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