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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-11-09 09:08 PM
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73. If you believe something doesn't exist...
That is a belief... I don't understand why you are so scared to be labeled with that word. I'm not talking about the "believer" in the evangelical sense.

And even from your explanation, of course it takes faith to believe something is not there. As long as you have limited information, everything takes "faith" you could say. The laws of logic cannot explain everything, humanity cannot explain everything.

But what is this horror with the word "believe"? If you believe there is no God, does that somehow hurt atheism's argument?
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  -Former Atheist: Francis Collins: A Scientific Basis for God Perky  Jul-10-09 03:04 PM   #0 
  - I guess people have to deal with their cognitive dissonance and existential insecurities somehow  depakid   Jul-10-09 03:14 PM   #1 
  - bingo nt  northernlights   Jul-10-09 03:28 PM   #3 
  - They want to feel like they are at the center of the universe and a grand plan  Arugula Latte   Jul-10-09 04:37 PM   #10 
  - LOL! Exactly!  invictus   Jul-13-09 02:37 PM   #117 
  - hey don't sell yourself short, but I will agree that we're not alone and we're  okieinpain   Jul-14-09 08:13 AM   #137 
  - My boss is a Christian and it doesn't affect our research one bit  Gator_Matt   Jul-13-09 11:11 AM   #105 
  - And I guess people...  LanternWaste   Jul-13-09 02:57 PM   #118 
  - I once knew a geologist...  InvisibleTouch   Jul-13-09 05:58 PM   #130 
  - Science is the study of all God has created - from Astronomy to Geology  WIllo   Jul-10-09 03:22 PM   #2 
  - thank you. nt  RepublicanElephant   Jul-10-09 05:41 PM   #13 
  - Or, the exact opposite of that.  jgraz   Jul-10-09 08:54 PM   #28 
  - Exactly n/t  spiritual_gunfighter   Jul-11-09 08:59 AM   #37 
  - Actually, most scientists believe in God.  Kalyke   Jul-13-09 11:43 AM   #107 
  - God didn't create dick.  Teaser   Jul-11-09 06:52 AM   #35 
  - And religion is the study of the gods humans created in their imaginations. nt  Arugula Latte   Jul-11-09 03:25 PM   #39 
  - That begs many questions  sakabatou   Jul-11-09 07:08 PM   #51 
  - ...except there's no evidence of god.  Deep13   Jul-13-09 10:23 AM   #93 
  - so you DO acknowledge Aquarius!  KakistocracyHater   Jul-13-09 05:18 PM   #123 
  - I'm no great shakes with numbers, but "10,000" years sounds pretty fishy.  saltpoint   Jul-10-09 03:30 PM   #4 
  - that's the "young creation" nutcases  northernlights   Jul-10-09 05:58 PM   #19 
     - Mm. I wonder what prompted his personal paradigm shift.  saltpoint   Jul-10-09 09:39 PM   #30 
        - Reading Comrehension!  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-11-09 03:34 PM   #40 
        - as per the article  ImOnlySleeping   Jul-13-09 10:54 AM   #99 
           - All that proves is that 45% of Americans slept through high school  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-13-09 11:38 AM   #106 
           - There's some of that "fuzzy math" in there somewhere. I just can't figure out where.  bertman   Jul-13-09 11:49 AM   #108 
           - Post Hoc Ergo Prompter Hoc...  LanternWaste   Jul-13-09 05:18 PM   #124 
        - Huh? I have no idea what you're saying...  northernlights   Jul-11-09 06:53 PM   #49 
  - as long as you don't take the bible literally  maxsolomon   Jul-10-09 03:31 PM   #5 
  - Collins is one of those Fellowship C St. clowns, isn't he? nt  valerief   Jul-10-09 03:38 PM   #6 
  - Not SUre but he is our President choic to lead the Nationa Institutes Of Health  Perky   Jul-10-09 03:52 PM   #7 
  - Fail..nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 08:40 PM   #60 
  - No he is a leading genetic researcher  grantcart   Jul-10-09 03:55 PM   #8 
  - Thanks for the info,  Cha   Jul-10-09 05:45 PM   #14 
  - Well, in 2007 he gave the message for The Family's National Breakfast of Prayer.  valerief   Jul-10-09 06:03 PM   #20 
     - Do you have a link for that?  jgraz   Jul-10-09 08:53 PM   #27 
        - Do a search on the 2007 National Prayer Breakfast. nt  valerief   Jul-11-09 04:04 AM   #33 
  - I'm sure he'd fit right in there.  jgraz   Jul-10-09 08:37 PM   #26 
  - Whatever helps Christians get through the day.  sybylla   Jul-10-09 04:24 PM   #9 
  - Well, the Templeton Prize has been around...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-10-09 04:57 PM   #11 
  - Templeton Jr. donated $900,000 to Yes on Prop 8.  Starry Messenger   Jul-10-09 05:48 PM   #16 
  - The SourceWatch page on the Templeton Foundation  jgraz   Jul-10-09 08:31 PM   #24 
  - The Templeton prize tries to co-opt science to support religion...  SidDithers   Jul-11-09 06:32 PM   #47 
  - I wonder what "evidence" made him decide his god is the Christian god? nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-10-09 05:35 PM   #12 
  - Good  Cha   Jul-10-09 05:46 PM   #15 
  - Their bible says it is so.  LiberalFighter   Jul-10-09 08:15 PM   #21 
  - "So he believes in love! What made him decide he wants to spend his life  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-11-09 03:37 PM   #41 
  - I doubt he met any god. I doubt he is unaware of other gods.  ZombieHorde   Jul-11-09 06:28 PM   #46 
     - What I was trying to say is that he probably had a religious experience  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-11-09 07:52 PM   #52 
  - Excellent question. I was wondering the same.  Robeson   Jul-11-09 06:48 PM   #48 
  - Didn't he see a waterfall in three parts that somehow proved the Holy Trinity?  uberllama42   Jul-11-09 11:22 PM   #89 
  - Thor told him. nt  Deep13   Jul-13-09 10:37 AM   #95 
  - There's a reason belief in God is called "faith".  baldguy   Jul-10-09 05:50 PM   #17 
  - Yeah, and?  Deep13   Jul-13-09 10:39 AM   #96 
  - Faith is simply trust in that of which we do not have full knowledge...  LanternWaste   Jul-13-09 05:21 PM   #125 
     - I prefer facts and knowledge  ipaint   Jul-13-09 05:53 PM   #128 
        - No basis in facts is quite different  LanternWaste   Jul-13-09 05:58 PM   #129 
           - Yes  ipaint   Jul-13-09 06:30 PM   #132 
  - Watch out.  jefferson_dem   Jul-10-09 05:53 PM   #18 
  - If earth is only about 10,000 years old doesn't that mean God is just a bit older than 10,000?  LiberalFighter   Jul-10-09 08:17 PM   #22 
  - re-read the OP  northernlights   Jul-10-09 09:00 PM   #29 
     - I still think the key question should be. "Why would God need to create a life form?"  LiberalFighter   Jul-11-09 08:35 AM   #36 
        - I guess its boring for God to talk to himself for eternity. n/t  provis99   Jul-11-09 10:50 PM   #84 
           - So instead  ImOnlySleeping   Jul-13-09 10:58 AM   #102 
              - Or God's "years" aren't the same as Man's.  Kalyke   Jul-13-09 11:56 AM   #109 
                 - LOL, crazy rationalization of 3000yo fairly tales.  Odin2005   Jul-13-09 09:02 PM   #136 
  - is subterfuge, and I say this as a "humanist" free thinker  dascientist   Jul-10-09 08:29 PM   #23 
  - Link to Collins' BioLogos (scientific creationism) site  jgraz   Jul-10-09 08:34 PM   #25 
  - Crap stealth religious infiltration into real Science...nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 09:10 PM   #74 
  - Let the man believe whatever he wants as long as he does his job.  Colobo   Jul-10-09 09:42 PM   #31 
  - Why couldn't God have created the big bang  rustydog   Jul-10-09 10:34 PM   #32 
  - 'You either meet St. Peter or Satan or you are dead forever and do not know you died!'  Teaser   Jul-11-09 06:49 AM   #34 
     - Whenever Pascal's Wager rears its ugly head, just remember these wise words of Homer Simpson  cemaphonic   Jul-11-09 04:02 PM   #43 
  - Sonia Sotomayor: A Constitutional Basis for God  jgraz   Jul-11-09 11:34 AM   #38 
  - back to the chicken vs the egg  northernlights   Jul-11-09 07:02 PM   #50 
  - I wouldn't support her...nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 08:44 PM   #62 
  - Sorry, but I reject the Book of Fractured Fairy Tales  Joe Bacon   Jul-11-09 03:59 PM   #42 
  - This thread...  MellowDem   Jul-11-09 04:07 PM   #44 
  - Help Help We're Being Oppressed  Moochy   Jul-11-09 08:06 PM   #55 
  - Oh no...  MellowDem   Jul-11-09 08:28 PM   #57 
  - Atheists Positions are not to be taken Orally.  Moochy   Jul-11-09 11:31 PM   #90 
     - Emergency Broadbrush Network.  bertman   Jul-13-09 11:56 AM   #110 
  - dupe  MellowDem   Jul-11-09 08:28 PM   #58 
  - The quotes are from the Bible.  Starry Messenger   Jul-11-09 08:13 PM   #56 
  - The quotes are from the Bible  MellowDem   Jul-11-09 08:38 PM   #59 
     - Atheism is not a belief...SORRY..  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 08:47 PM   #63 
     - It is a belief...  MellowDem   Jul-11-09 08:57 PM   #65 
     - No it is not..nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 08:58 PM   #67 
     - Then what is it? nt  MellowDem   Jul-11-09 09:01 PM   #69 
        - If you read my post you would know..  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 09:02 PM   #71 
           - Thank you. eom  Starry Messenger   Jul-11-09 09:05 PM   #72 
           - If you believe something doesn't exist...  MellowDem   Jul-11-09 09:08 PM   #73 
              - Because your misconstruing context...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 09:12 PM   #75 
                 - No I'm not...  MellowDem   Jul-11-09 09:23 PM   #77 
                    - I am sorry, but your just being argumenitive...I do not have time for this..nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 09:25 PM   #78 
                       - Uh-huh  MellowDem   Jul-11-09 09:34 PM   #79 
     - There is NO evidence at all to support the idea of god...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 09:01 PM   #70 
     - Okay...  MellowDem   Jul-11-09 09:18 PM   #76 
        - No. Stop trying to define atheists and atheism, you suck at it.  beam me up scottie   Jul-12-09 02:26 PM   #92 
        - "Atheists believe there is no God"  GreenArrow   Jul-13-09 10:54 AM   #101 
        - Wrong, willfully ignorant and a fantastic example of dogmatic certainty.  beam me up scottie   Jul-13-09 01:55 PM   #114 
        - you're taking the word "believe" and trying to compare  trekbiker   Jul-13-09 07:26 PM   #135 
     - And homosexuality is a choice  jgraz   Jul-12-09 11:28 AM   #91 
     - nice......  trekbiker   Jul-13-09 07:02 PM   #134 
     - Many Christians don't.  Starry Messenger   Jul-11-09 08:47 PM   #64 
        - Whatever...  MellowDem   Jul-11-09 09:00 PM   #68 
  - Nor did he attempt to.  damonm   Jul-14-09 12:36 PM   #142 
  - Oh please.  jefferson_dem   Jul-11-09 09:37 PM   #80 
  - The book of Leviticus was written by (and for) the tribe of Levite  LanternWaste   Jul-13-09 05:24 PM   #126 
  - Using apples to prove oranges.  Orsino   Jul-11-09 05:36 PM   #45 
  - LOL!  Odin2005   Jul-11-09 08:02 PM   #54 
  - Can invisible apples send you to an invisible apple hell?  sarcasmo   Jul-11-09 09:47 PM   #82 
  - There is nothing scientific about primitive belief systems.  Odin2005   Jul-11-09 08:01 PM   #53 
  - Is there a Scientific basis for the existence of Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 08:43 PM   #61 
  - I'm agnostic about the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus  killbotfactory   Jul-13-09 12:15 PM   #112 
  - "evolution and Christianity are incompatible."  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 08:57 PM   #66 
  - Debatable.  jefferson_dem   Jul-11-09 09:44 PM   #81 
     - there is no debate...nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 10:34 PM   #83 
     - So says the fundamentalist.  jefferson_dem   Jul-11-09 10:53 PM   #85 
        - I prefer Anti-theist...nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 10:56 PM   #87 
        - I'm not going to pretend there is a legitimate debate...  Deep13   Jul-13-09 10:54 AM   #100 
           - You're being obtuse.  jefferson_dem   Jul-14-09 08:19 AM   #138 
     - science and religion are as compatible as facts and lies.  provis99   Jul-11-09 10:55 PM   #86 
     - Ah...the simple-minded bigotry of dogmatic scientism.  jefferson_dem   Jul-11-09 11:00 PM   #88 
        - Apparently "dogmatic scientism" = unwilling to consider lies.  Deep13   Jul-13-09 10:51 AM   #98 
           - Don't you love how facts and fairy tales are put on false equal footing  Arugula Latte   Jul-13-09 11:01 AM   #103 
     - History tells a different story.  Deep13   Jul-13-09 10:41 AM   #97 
  - Maybe someone can explain how evolution and Christianity are compatible.  Deep13   Jul-13-09 10:36 AM   #94 
  - They aren't compatible, but some Christians  frogmarch   Jul-13-09 11:11 AM   #104 
  - I bet if you pinned them down on their beliefs...  cemaphonic   Jul-14-09 12:11 PM   #140 
  - I'm a Christian and i don't see incompatibility between science and xtianity  supernova   Jul-13-09 12:04 PM   #111 
  - If you "never believed the bible was literally true" why do you believe in its god?  beam me up scottie   Jul-13-09 01:47 PM   #113 
     - Because to me, God is more than the book  supernova   Jul-13-09 02:16 PM   #115 
     - I'm not being obtuse but can you explain how you came to the conclusion that God exists?  beam me up scottie   Jul-13-09 02:27 PM   #116 
        - Hard to describe  supernova   Jul-13-09 04:18 PM   #120 
           - No need for the disclaimer, I know most liberal believers support secular government  beam me up scottie   Jul-13-09 06:23 PM   #131 
     - If that's a serious question...  LanternWaste   Jul-13-09 05:27 PM   #127 
        - Yes, it is.  beam me up scottie   Jul-13-09 06:32 PM   #133 
  - Flat Earth Alert  The Wizard   Jul-13-09 03:18 PM   #119 
  - Natural law and a creation event are not mutually excluding.  Fire Walk With Me   Jul-13-09 04:36 PM   #121 
  - Collins gets panned almost everywhere  ipaint   Jul-13-09 04:46 PM   #122 
  - what a terribly written article...  crimsonblue   Jul-14-09 09:14 AM   #139 
  - An Astrophysicist tends to agree with him...  damonm   Jul-14-09 12:20 PM   #141 
  - Tautology...  S_E_Fudd   Jul-23-09 11:13 AM   #148 
     - I know the guy, and know how smart he is...  damonm   Jul-23-09 01:29 PM   #150 
  - One question from me.... I have always wondered....  JayMusgrove   Jul-14-09 12:49 PM   #143 
  - Boy oh boy  AlecBGreen   Jul-22-09 08:31 PM   #144 
  - If I said the earth is 20 billion years old,  DavidDvorkin   Jul-22-09 10:23 PM   #145 
     - there are some things that cant be proven  AlecBGreen   Jul-23-09 09:10 AM   #146 
        - I'm an atheist  DavidDvorkin   Jul-23-09 10:13 AM   #147 
           - some thoughts  AlecBGreen   Jul-23-09 02:34 PM   #151 
              - You haven't really improved matters  DavidDvorkin   Jul-23-09 02:58 PM   #152 
                 - You haven't really improved matters  AlecBGreen   Jul-23-09 03:22 PM   #153 
                    - Certainly we have to make some basic assumptions  DavidDvorkin   Jul-23-09 03:34 PM   #154 
                       - yes!  AlecBGreen   Jul-23-09 04:05 PM   #156 
  - It's the usual tired logical fallacies  TrogL   Jul-23-09 01:28 PM   #149 
  - I have an image of Jesus on my saltine cracker! What more proof do you skeptics need?  Better Believe It   Jul-23-09 03:49 PM   #155 
 

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