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salvorhardin

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Thu Jul-09-09 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #170

202. You are quite mistaken about Einstein's beliefs

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
-- Albert Einstein, January 3, 1954 in a letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind

More: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/may/12/peopleins...

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‘Evangelistic’ scientist tapped to lead National Institute of Health	jgraz	Jul-09-09 11:44 AM	#0
Way to grasp at straws, Jgraz.	HiFructosePronSyrup	Jul-09-09 11:56 AM	#1
A brilliant choice	grantcart	Jul-09-09 01:04 PM	#2
You are appreciated, Grantcart...	OneGrassRoot	Jul-09-09 01:07 PM	#4
I don't need to undermine his science credentials	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:09 PM	#5
So believing in God makes him unqualified?	SpartanDem	Jul-09-09 01:19 PM	#6
Believing that God is directly responsible for phenomena that he studies disqualifies him	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:25 PM	#10
What would be wrong with either that physicist or that cosmologist?	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 01:34 PM	#16
What's wrong is that both "scientists" directly and fundamentally reject the scientific method	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:41 PM	#23
That is because he is a strong believer in Christianity?	JayMusgrove	Jul-09-09 01:44 PM	#29
No, He's an anti-scientific proselytizer.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:35 PM	#117
In between leading the fields of genetic research and scientific ethics, yes, he hates science. nt	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 03:36 PM	#118
Yeah, he really does.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:51 PM	#125
He has NOT lead the fields of genetic research - he's been an administrative head of a division of	kath	Jul-11-09 12:57 AM	#332
In his personal beliefs, yes. Not in his work, as evidenced by his solid research on genetics.	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 01:46 PM	#30
What?	Seldona	Jul-09-09 09:23 PM	#200
"Those statements are simply irreconcilable"	damonm	Jul-09-09 10:25 PM	#215
So reconcile them.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 10:29 PM	#218
I don't have to.	damonm	Jul-10-09 01:26 AM	#238
You don't have to do anything	jgraz	Jul-10-09 09:05 PM	#314
There is a medical theory supporting the resurrection of christ?	Seldona	Jul-10-09 01:28 AM	#239
There doesn't need to be.	damonm	Jul-10-09 12:46 PM	#258
No they aren't	ibegurpard	Jul-10-09 01:44 AM	#240
plus the fact that NO archaelogical evidence was found	KakistocracyHater	Jul-09-09 08:59 PM	#196
Neither Einstein nor Stephen Hawkins were/are atheists.	phleshdef	Jul-10-09 01:37 PM	#266
His name is HAWKING....	PassingFair	Jul-10-09 07:36 PM	#308
Wow, where did YOU get your PhD in a science?	JayMusgrove	Jul-09-09 01:42 PM	#25
Where did you get your PhD in straw men?	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:52 PM	#46
University of Telluria.	HiFructosePronSyrup	Jul-09-09 07:03 PM	#185
Name one area where you disagree with his science?	grantcart	Jul-09-09 02:55 PM	#101
I don't disagree with his science. I disagree with the superstition he pretends is science	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:30 PM	#115
The theories around the creation of the universe are entirely irrelevant to nearly everything	Zynx	Jul-09-09 04:01 PM	#128
It would also be irrelevant if he was a raging homophobe	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:04 PM	#132
an acclaimed genetic scientist is and anti-scientific bigot? the fuck you are smoking?	dionysus	Jul-09-09 04:07 PM	#134
I'm "smoking" actual information about who this guy is	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:08 PM	#136
Umm...no.	damonm	Jul-09-09 06:19 PM	#177
Now be honest: had you heard of Francis Collins before today?	jgraz	Jul-09-09 09:25 PM	#201
Yeah, actually I have...	damonm	Jul-09-09 10:12 PM	#212
Based on what evidence?	jgraz	Jul-09-09 10:31 PM	#219
Nice try -	damonm	Jul-10-09 01:19 AM	#237
My apologies.	jgraz	Jul-10-09 02:14 PM	#272
I wouldn't want a bigot like Richard Dawkins in charge of the NIH either.	Zynx	Jul-09-09 04:12 PM	#139
Anyone who says atheism is "blind faith" is a bigot	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:23 PM	#144
You paid 3k for a laptop?	Egnever	Jul-10-09 07:24 PM	#305
No, my employer did.	jgraz	Jul-10-09 09:03 PM	#313
So long as they properly observe the phenomena they study, what they believe is not	Zynx	Jul-09-09 03:57 PM	#127
But he's not being hired as a researcher, he's being hired as the head of NIH	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:07 PM	#133
He has never supported creationism nor intelligent design.	Zynx	Jul-09-09 04:13 PM	#142
Yes, he has. He just calls it "evolutionary creationism" or BioLogos	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:22 PM	#143
I hate to break this to you	northernlights	Jul-09-09 05:15 PM	#167
You are right. Collins shares many beliefs with people from preceding centuries	jgraz	Jul-09-09 05:33 PM	#175
including those of some of the greatest scientists from this and earlier	northernlights	Jul-10-09 02:22 PM	#274
not to mention...	northernlights	Jul-10-09 12:05 PM	#249
Wow, I can't believe you are advocating job discrimination based on religion.	phleshdef	Jul-10-09 01:22 PM	#264
I'm glad you aren't president	CreekDog	Jul-09-09 02:24 PM	#91
WELL, as Original Poster would order this world...	JayMusgrove	Jul-09-09 02:30 PM	#93
You are absolutely right!	COLGATE4	Jul-09-09 01:25 PM	#9
He did not do work on decoding the human genome - he was administrative head of that division of the	kath	Jul-11-09 01:10 AM	#333
+1,000	Beetwasher	Jul-09-09 01:42 PM	#24
Grantcart- thank you for telling the whole story	Ocracoker16	Jul-09-09 01:47 PM	#33
Thanks. Great post. n/t	vaberella	Jul-09-09 01:53 PM	#48
Thanks for pulling out all that info. It's all good to know.	GreenPartyVoter	Jul-09-09 03:14 PM	#107
Fundie whack jobs don't belong in government jobs. This is a SECULAR nation.	earth mom	Jul-09-09 03:15 PM	#109
So we need to apply a religious test for all civil service positions?	Zynx	Jul-09-09 04:02 PM	#129
No, you just need to not appoint stealth religious bigots to scientific posts	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:25 PM	#145
Thanks grantcart! I have no problem with Christians who are compassionate and logical.	jesus_of_suburbia	Jul-09-09 06:26 PM	#180
Thank you, Mr. Cart!	rucky	Jul-11-09 02:41 AM	#338
I don't see how those beliefs conflict with the NIH job	spoony	Jul-09-09 01:05 PM	#3
Collins believes our sense of morality is a gift from God	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:21 PM	#7
You speak as though you have read all of his work, know ALL of his	JayMusgrove	Jul-09-09 01:51 PM	#43
Ah, more straw men. You'll get your degree in no time	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:56 PM	#57
you're cranky. i guess this attempted poutrage-fest isn't working out like you planned...	dionysus	Jul-09-09 01:58 PM	#61
It's working out pretty much like I expected.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 02:06 PM	#73
when pwned, attempting to play the "i'm a better democrat than you" card, eh?	dionysus	Jul-09-09 02:09 PM	#76
Than you? No "card" is needed	jgraz	Jul-09-09 02:12 PM	#81
obviously, you have taken getting destroyed on this thread personally...	dionysus	Jul-09-09 02:14 PM	#83
No, I find the flat-out ignorance of Collins and his agenda depressing	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:19 PM	#111
It's kind of funny to watch you call the director of the Human Genome Project "ignorant."	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 03:28 PM	#113
dude, instead of climbing out of the hole, he's digging that mofo deeper and deeper...	dionysus	Jul-09-09 04:08 PM	#135
Poor wording. I wasn't calling him ignorant. I was calling you ignorant.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:10 PM	#137
OK...	damonm	Jul-09-09 06:30 PM	#182
There are two ways to read that.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 08:39 PM	#193
The "ultimate weapon" is one vote against putting a thread on the Greatest Page?	SemiCharmedQuark	Jul-09-09 02:11 PM	#79
why do you stifle dissent, you hopestepping dlc thug?	dionysus	Jul-09-09 02:12 PM	#80
This thread is now very unlikely to get on the Greatest page! Do you feel the power?!	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 02:23 PM	#90
It's because of that Ayatollah Skinner and his determination to crush all dissent.	SemiCharmedQuark	Jul-09-09 04:12 PM	#140
Why because we don't condone your bigotry	SpartanDem	Jul-09-09 02:20 PM	#87
something you disagree with == bigotry?	jgraz	Jul-09-09 02:56 PM	#102
He "pushed a religious agenda" by writing a book saying that science and religion are compatible.	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 03:00 PM	#103
Have you read the book? It doesn't really say that	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:12 PM	#106
I've not been able to find anything by him suggesting we shouldn't perform any sort of research.	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 03:26 PM	#112
He goes even farther. He denies the existence of research that doesn't support his religion	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:43 PM	#121
You researched and found out I only hold two master's degrees and	JayMusgrove	Jul-09-09 02:16 PM	#84
I know you're completely ignorant of Collins' views of science and religion	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:50 PM	#124
Wow	ProSense	Jul-09-09 07:27 PM	#186
You fundamentally don't understand what an account is	HamdenRice	Jul-09-09 03:42 PM	#120
I'm pretty sure I know what an "eyewitness account" is	jgraz	Jul-09-09 08:41 PM	#194
While the Gospels were written some years after His death, you seem to neglect Paul.	olegramps	Jul-10-09 11:04 AM	#243
And still not an eyewitness account	jgraz	Jul-10-09 12:05 PM	#250
lookin like a poutrage fail to me...	dionysus	Jul-09-09 01:21 PM	#8
Only if you want a superstitious zealot setting our national scientific priorities.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:28 PM	#11
Now he's a superstitious zealot?	JayMusgrove	Jul-09-09 01:54 PM	#55
Not just now.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 02:00 PM	#67
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Why are you here? You obviously abhor all things Obama.	babylonsister	Jul-09-09 01:30 PM	#12
I know you like to bash everything Obama does, but this is a stretch.	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 01:32 PM	#13
Have you read any of his writings?	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:33 PM	#14
Do you have any links to counterfactual/creationist beliefs of his?	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 01:35 PM	#18
He believes the New Testament is a first-hand account	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:46 PM	#32
Which has nothing to do with science.	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 01:49 PM	#39
I missed the /creationist bit. Collins is an avowed creationist.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:41 PM	#151
If you think BioLogos=creationism,	damonm	Jul-09-09 06:48 PM	#184
That's why it's called "evolutionary creationism". Cuz it's not creationism.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 08:08 PM	#188
Actually,	damonm	Jul-09-09 08:20 PM	#191
That is NOT what Collins believes. He expressly differentiates his views from "theistic evolution"	jgraz	Jul-09-09 08:31 PM	#192
Looks like the unrecommend will be used to squelch criticism	madfloridian	Jul-09-09 01:33 PM	#15
As predicted	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:35 PM	#17
As predicted, the vocal minority will complain at being exposed as such. nt	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 01:37 PM	#19
you hopestepper.	dionysus	Jul-09-09 01:38 PM	#21
+1. n/t	vaberella	Jul-09-09 01:48 PM	#36
no, there just not enough bitter complainers to rec something to the greatest page because	dionysus	Jul-09-09 01:37 PM	#20
Exactly right. The problem was that the minority of bitter folks were hyperactive reccers,	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 01:41 PM	#22
Awesome. You finally got the little club you always wanted	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:42 PM	#26
Your post not being on the greatest page = no critical thinking allowed?	SemiCharmedQuark	Jul-09-09 01:44 PM	#28
No critical posts being on the GP == no critical thinking allowed.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 01:48 PM	#35
Why does the GP determine this? Anyone actually going in the forums can view any thread they want.	SemiCharmedQuark	Jul-09-09 01:50 PM	#40
"critical thinking" != "critical posts."	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 01:54 PM	#51
No More Critical Thinking=Trolls Can No Longer Pile Up The Recommends	Beetwasher	Jul-09-09 01:55 PM	#56
Right. They're upset that we can now engage in critical thought on their piles of shit.	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 01:57 PM	#58
It's Actual Democracy!	Beetwasher	Jul-09-09 01:57 PM	#60
With a capital D-L-C	jgraz	Jul-09-09 02:09 PM	#75
yes, DU is run by the DLC..... keep trying...	dionysus	Jul-09-09 02:10 PM	#77
LOL!!!!! Wahhhhhhhhhh!!!!	Beetwasher	Jul-09-09 02:10 PM	#78
It's bad that DUers can vote up/down on threads because we don't think the right way.	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 02:18 PM	#86
no, see, our club dwarfs your club. most DUers don't post in these ridiculous threads	dionysus	Jul-09-09 01:48 PM	#34
No, see, you were the one with the mindless little club.	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 01:52 PM	#45
Deleted sub-thread	Name removed	Jul-09-09 01:44 PM	#27
Yep. What a horrible idea.	Mojambo	Jul-09-09 02:46 PM	#98
It can be used judiciously to shoot down useless criticism that is poorly considered.	Zynx	Jul-09-09 04:03 PM	#131
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly how it's going to be used	jgraz	Jul-09-09 08:19 PM	#190
How deeply ironic.	HiFructosePronSyrup	Jul-09-09 06:26 PM	#181
"I don't think that was the purpose"	FiveGoodMen	Jul-09-09 06:31 PM	#183
I predict that the OP is not going to like the unrec feature in DU very much	scheming daemons	Jul-09-09 01:46 PM	#31
None of us should like it if it is used to stop criticism	madfloridian	Jul-09-09 01:49 PM	#37
mad, cannot you see the difference between valid criticism and this steaming pile of OP?	dionysus	Jul-09-09 01:50 PM	#41
Don't you see? You can just ignore posts you don't like	madfloridian	Jul-09-09 01:53 PM	#47
You have always been able to ignore the posts you don't like	scheming daemons	Jul-09-09 01:54 PM	#52
well, to tell you the truth, i don't even use the greatest page. i suspect most people go straight	dionysus	Jul-09-09 01:54 PM	#54
I seldom go to the greatest page....I seldom get on it either.	madfloridian	Jul-09-09 01:59 PM	#64
Then you shouldn't really have a problem with a system that only affects the Greatest page. nt	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 02:04 PM	#71
Just like we can Rec we can Unrec. I don't see the big deal.	vaberella	Jul-09-09 02:00 PM	#66
It's not stopping criticism. If it has 1000 unrecommends, it still doesn't disappear. It just	SemiCharmedQuark	Jul-09-09 01:51 PM	#
End of Story...however the poster seems to like buliding some DRA-MA. n/t	vaberella	Jul-09-09 01:51 PM	#44
How does it stop criticism?	vaberella	Jul-09-09 01:51 PM	#42
How does calling a pile a shit a pile of shit STOP the criticism? Nothing is being censored....	scheming daemons	Jul-09-09 01:53 PM	#49
Holding an open up/down vote on whether things belong on the greatest is not "stopping criticism."	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 01:54 PM	#53
But criticism of YOU should be forbidden. You people are all for censorship - of your critics.	BlooInBloo	Jul-09-09 01:59 PM	#62
Who are referring to...me? "you people"	madfloridian	Jul-09-09 02:00 PM	#65
"You people?" Obviously you are a racist. nt	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 02:01 PM	#68
(shrug) I keep offering to replace that with "you whiny ass titty babies"....	BlooInBloo	Jul-09-09 02:02 PM	#69
Some of my best friends are whiny-ass titty babies.	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 02:04 PM	#70
I suspect it's a tomato-tomato sort of difference. :)	BlooInBloo	Jul-09-09 02:05 PM	#72
The methodology used by the OP in this instance is exactly like FOX News	grantcart	Jul-09-09 02:54 PM	#100
Again, you're arguing from a position of abject ignorance	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:02 PM	#130
I don't think many will. n/t	vaberella	Jul-09-09 01:49 PM	#38
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So full of shit, so little time!	FrenchieCat	Jul-09-09 01:57 PM	#59
...	dionysus	Jul-09-09 01:59 PM	#63
Aw, Frenchie	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:48 PM	#123
"leading pioneer in human genome research"...	zulchzulu	Jul-09-09 02:18 PM	#85
Actually, he didn't DO any genome research - he was just head of that section at the NIH,	kath	Jul-11-09 12:36 AM	#329
THE MOST UNRECOMMENDED thread of all time. Funny thing about history..	JayMusgrove	Jul-09-09 02:20 PM	#88
+1. n/t	vaberella	Jul-09-09 02:22 PM	#89
Until the next thread critical of Obama comes up	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:45 PM	#122
i think you've covered looking like a fool enough for everyone on this thread today....	dionysus	Jul-09-09 04:12 PM	#141
Just cuz you say it doesn't make it true	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:26 PM	#146
judging by the fact that all you have left are personal insults, i think you're almost out of gas.	dionysus	Jul-09-09 04:29 PM	#147
When you say something of substance, I'll respond in kind	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:32 PM	#148
I will do the same for you.......but only if you	JayMusgrove	Jul-09-09 09:02 PM	#197
Congratulations on Godwinning yourself out of rational conversation	jgraz	Jul-09-09 09:21 PM	#199
Unlike you, I read Francis Collins' book	CreekDog	Jul-09-09 02:28 PM	#92
Great post! Tolerance for religious believers, we DO allow this in	JayMusgrove	Jul-09-09 02:35 PM	#94
Not only do we allow it, but given how OP's intolerant rantings were smacked down	SpartanDem	Jul-09-09 02:43 PM	#96
Well, even SOME agnostics and atheists I know are more tolerant than the OP!	JayMusgrove	Jul-09-09 02:45 PM	#97
I don't think I know anyone who would claim	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 03:03 PM	#104
And I have claimed no such thing	jgraz	Jul-09-09 05:06 PM	#162
His Scientific "beliefs" Isn't that a contradiction in terms?	JayMusgrove	Jul-09-09 08:57 PM	#195
Not to Collins.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 09:06 PM	#198
+1. n/t	vaberella	Jul-09-09 02:49 PM	#99
I've read his book. I found it ridiculous and intellectually dishonest.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:15 PM	#108
Dr. Collins did a fantastic job with the human genome project. I don't care what his opinion on the	yellowcanine	Jul-09-09 02:37 PM	#95
So a brilliant scientist finds a way to reconcile science with his religious beliefs.	Vidar	Jul-09-09 03:05 PM	#105
No, a brilliant scientist uses his position to proselytize his own anti-scientific ideology	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:17 PM	#110
Claiming a world-renowned scientist has an "anti-scientific ideology" is silly, jgraz. nt	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 03:30 PM	#114
Have you read his book?	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:33 PM	#116
I think I've had enough ignorant bigotry for one afternoon, but thanks for the suggestion. nt	Occam Bandage	Jul-09-09 03:37 PM	#119
You may wish to look up the words "ignorant" and "bigotry"	jgraz	Jul-09-09 03:54 PM	#126
It does not seem that his religious views have impeded his ability to produce	Zynx	Jul-09-09 04:10 PM	#138
Then let him continue his research. Just keep him away from policy.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:35 PM	#149
Just because he's been the administrative head of a division of the NIH doesn't mean that he's	kath	Jul-11-09 12:53 AM	#331
While I have never met the man	ChazII	Jul-09-09 09:34 PM	#204
I'm glad he helped you and your son	jgraz	Jul-09-09 09:52 PM	#209
This is more stupid than my locked Micheal Jackson thread	incapsulated	Jul-09-09 04:36 PM	#150
Isaac Newton was also a deep believer in alchemy and astrology	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:43 PM	#152
That's right, he did	incapsulated	Jul-09-09 04:49 PM	#153
Except I haven't said that he's disqualified because he's merely a "person of faith"	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:55 PM	#155
That is simply rubbish	incapsulated	Jul-09-09 05:05 PM	#161
Just the opposite.. the article from Pew Research	whistler162	Jul-09-09 05:12 PM	#164
You seem to have missed some of my posts.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 05:13 PM	#165
ruh-roh Collins believes that atheists are "irrational" practitioners of "blind faith".	northernlights	Jul-10-09 12:09 PM	#251
And look at all the harm to science he did.	Vidar	Jul-09-09 04:56 PM	#156
Advancing science does not automatically qualify someone to head a government institute	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:58 PM	#157
Oh damn, I forgot my favorite bit about Collins	jgraz	Jul-09-09 04:53 PM	#154
But it's true	incapsulated	Jul-09-09 05:04 PM	#159
Has he appointed anyone who is	LWolf	Jul-09-09 05:01 PM	#158
That wouldn't be bipartisan, now would it?	jgraz	Jul-09-09 05:05 PM	#160
The purging of the left is almost complete.	LWolf	Jul-09-09 05:08 PM	#163
‘Evangelistic’ scientist??	and-justice-for-all	Jul-09-09 05:13 PM	#166
Yeah, he was only the head of National Human Genome Research Institute	incapsulated	Jul-09-09 05:18 PM	#169
I know who he is smart ass....	and-justice-for-all	Jul-09-09 05:24 PM	#171
Religulous: Bill Maher interviews Francis Collins...	keepCAblue	Jul-09-09 05:16 PM	#168
A good primer on Collins' intellectual dishonesty	jgraz	Jul-09-09 05:26 PM	#173
Excellent link. n/t	ihavenobias	Jul-09-09 05:51 PM	#176
Good one ---	ProudDad	Jul-09-09 06:23 PM	#178
Einstein was an absolute idjit too	northernlights	Jul-09-09 05:24 PM	#170
Einstein used it as a mataphore...nothing more...nt	and-justice-for-all	Jul-09-09 05:25 PM	#172
I'm not sure what a "mataphore" is	northernlights	Jul-10-09 12:01 PM	#248
I think you may be confused as to who the "absolute idjit" is	jgraz	Jul-09-09 05:28 PM	#174
not believing in a "personal" god does not equate to atheism	northernlights	Jul-10-09 11:54 AM	#247
Never said it did.	jgraz	Jul-10-09 12:10 PM	#252
ok, stupid and old are off	northernlights	Jul-10-09 12:35 PM	#256
NO. You really need to read some of Einstein's writings	jgraz	Jul-10-09 12:52 PM	#260
for the love of all that is pure and good...and for the love of god, you asked for it	northernlights	Jul-10-09 02:45 PM	#276
This post wins the award for X-treme Smack Down n/t	ProSense	Jul-10-09 02:50 PM	#277
You've never read a single book on Einstein or Spinoza, have you?	jgraz	Jul-10-09 06:18 PM	#298
actually I've read a few books about Einstein	northernlights	Jul-10-09 10:46 PM	#323
You have to put the quotes in context	jgraz	Jul-11-09 02:01 AM	#337
You are quite mistaken about Einstein's beliefs	salvorhardin	Jul-09-09 09:28 PM	#202
mebbe. then again, mebbe not.	northernlights	Jul-10-09 12:20 PM	#254
How much clearer can you get?	salvorhardin	Jul-10-09 05:59 PM	#297
Einstein didn't believe in a "personal" god	northernlights	Jul-10-09 10:49 PM	#324
I'd like to know his position on	ProudDad	Jul-09-09 06:25 PM	#179
I doubt you'd get an honest answer to any of those	jgraz	Jul-09-09 08:10 PM	#189
We need a different Appointer In Chief	FiveGoodMen	Jul-09-09 07:50 PM	#187
Dr. Collins is responsible	ChazII	Jul-09-09 09:30 PM	#203
The key to that was his discovery of positional cloning, for which he deserves no end of praise	jgraz	Jul-09-09 09:40 PM	#205
"for which he deserves no end of praiseq...but keep him the hell away from the policy"	ProSense	Jul-09-09 09:43 PM	#206
Hey, maybe Obama should appoint James Watson, co-discoverer of the double-helix	jgraz	Jul-09-09 09:48 PM	#207
"Sometimes being a brilliant scientist is not enough." And	ProSense	Jul-09-09 09:51 PM	#208
Well, it does seem idiotic for you to complain about my posts without ever refuting them	jgraz	Jul-09-09 09:54 PM	#210
Look,	ProSense	Jul-09-09 10:10 PM	#211
In this case, yes. My declaration carries more weight.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 10:23 PM	#213
.	ProSense	Jul-09-09 10:24 PM	#214
And the weightlessness continues...	jgraz	Jul-09-09 10:25 PM	#216
OK,	ProSense	Jul-09-09 10:27 PM	#217
You can only un-rec once,	jgraz	Jul-09-09 10:32 PM	#220
Is that what you're in it for	ProSense	Jul-09-09 10:35 PM	#221
No. I'm legitimately pissed at this appointment	jgraz	Jul-09-09 10:40 PM	#222
Of course you are.	ProSense	Jul-09-09 10:45 PM	#223
You remember some funny shit.	jgraz	Jul-09-09 10:52 PM	#225
Oh, now you're laughing?	ProSense	Jul-09-09 10:59 PM	#226
You never post evidence	jgraz	Jul-09-09 11:01 PM	#227
.	ProSense	Jul-09-09 11:02 PM	#228
I'm not the one who's about to spend 20 minutes grubbing through the DU archives	jgraz	Jul-09-09 11:04 PM	#229
I misstated the point,	ProSense	Jul-09-09 11:08 PM	#230
Then why haven't you posted it?	jgraz	Jul-09-09 11:09 PM	#231
"Go ahead, I dare you."	ProSense	Jul-09-09 11:10 PM	#232
Good point! Why use "scientific" evidence when bigotry and being	JayMusgrove	Jul-10-09 10:19 AM	#241
Or, you could just crow about your alleged degrees and compare people to Hitler	jgraz	Jul-10-09 11:51 AM	#246
but Collins is not really a "brilliant scientist" - pretty widely regarded as an idiot	kath	Jul-10-09 03:36 PM	#280
I only know his scientific work from the Human Genome Project	jgraz	Jul-10-09 06:55 PM	#301
Actually, jgraz, apparently he didn't actually do any scientific work on the Human Genome Project -	kath	Jul-11-09 12:41 AM	#330
Oh yeah, I know	jgraz	Jul-11-09 01:59 AM	#336
OMG, what a wreck! K&U....	Tarheel_Dem	Jul-09-09 10:48 PM	#224
Yes... this thread is major league FAIL	scheming daemons	Jul-09-09 11:18 PM	#233
I've seen more interesting shit in my cat's litterbox than this wreck of an o.p.	Tarheel_Dem	Jul-09-09 11:30 PM	#234
nt	malletgirl02	Jul-10-09 12:23 AM	#235
.	jgraz	Jul-10-09 11:46 AM	#244
WTF	malletgirl02	Jul-11-09 06:39 PM	#340
I don't find this man's views disturbing at all	ibegurpard	Jul-10-09 12:32 AM	#236
Here's what's disturbing	jgraz	Jul-10-09 02:19 PM	#273
I would vehemently object to that	ibegurpard	Jul-10-09 07:09 PM	#303
I don't think so	jgraz	Jul-10-09 07:18 PM	#304
Perhaps not	ibegurpard	Jul-10-09 07:25 PM	#306
Your demonetization of Dr. Collins is troubling.	olegramps	Jul-10-09 10:45 AM	#242
I took his money?	jgraz	Jul-10-09 11:50 AM	#245
Perfectly acceptable	mkultra	Jul-10-09 12:11 PM	#253
Really, so James Watson would also be a good choice?	jgraz	Jul-10-09 12:34 PM	#255
one more time...	northernlights	Jul-10-09 12:45 PM	#257
Do you have any original thoughts to add?	jgraz	Jul-10-09 12:48 PM	#259
I have one: You are way too angry about this!	Perky	Jul-10-09 12:55 PM	#261
I would suggest that most of the people on this thread aren't nearly angry enough	jgraz	Jul-10-09 01:17 PM	#263
OY	Perky	Jul-10-09 01:37 PM	#267
Oh FFS, if you're going to join a thread, at least have the courtesy to READ some of it	jgraz	Jul-10-09 01:40 PM	#268
Do you really think you are one to ask that others have the courtesy to do anything?	Perky	Jul-10-09 01:46 PM	#270
In this case, yes.	jgraz	Jul-10-09 01:55 PM	#271
Oh but I did and here is what I saw	Perky	Jul-10-09 02:40 PM	#275
Ah, I get it.	jgraz	Jul-10-09 03:13 PM	#278
Bwahhhhaaaa	Perky	Jul-10-09 03:42 PM	#282
OK, let me lay it out for you in a nutshell	jgraz	Jul-10-09 05:03 PM	#287
You really do sound like the Archie Bunker of Atheism	Perky	Jul-10-09 08:07 PM	#309
Oh boy...	jgraz	Jul-10-09 08:59 PM	#312
religion lives in the realm of philosophy	northernlights	Jul-10-09 03:18 PM	#279
You are just the other side of the same ignorant coin	mkultra	Jul-11-09 02:14 PM	#339
Oh is this fail thread still up?	HiFructosePronSyrup	Jul-10-09 01:17 PM	#262
I tried to recommend this thread but it was after hours, so I'll just say that there are	bertman	Jul-10-09 01:35 PM	#265
You just nailed the core of my objection to Collins' appointment	jgraz	Jul-10-09 01:46 PM	#269
and here's a non-Einstein quote for good measure	northernlights	Jul-10-09 03:46 PM	#283
This is the heart of the matter	jgraz	Jul-10-09 04:03 PM	#284
you left out the word "almost"	northernlights	Jul-10-09 04:56 PM	#286
Ok, one does NOT have to almost believe in a higher power	jgraz	Jul-10-09 05:35 PM	#294
I love science, but I'm sorry to inform you that	northernlights	Jul-10-09 07:28 PM	#307
If you understand evolution, you still should know the answer	jgraz	Jul-10-09 08:13 PM	#310
I asked first	northernlights	Jul-10-09 10:12 PM	#320
OK	jgraz	Jul-10-09 11:27 PM	#325
Just because our minds cannot grasp the scientific complexity of an issue, it's okay	bertman	Jul-10-09 04:33 PM	#285
that's not at all what I was attempting to say	northernlights	Jul-10-09 05:24 PM	#291
Spoke w/ some friends who are well-connected in molecular-biological circles --	kath	Jul-10-09 03:42 PM	#281
Awesome, care to name them?	spoony	Jul-10-09 05:10 PM	#289
obviously I don't want to reveal the identity of the people I spoke with.	kath	Jul-10-09 05:29 PM	#292
I tend to take those kinds of characterizations of anybody	northernlights	Jul-10-09 05:14 PM	#290
Perfectly reasonable that you would take it w/ a huge grain of salt.	kath	Jul-10-09 05:34 PM	#293
I didn't ask you to reveal your sources	northernlights	Jul-10-09 05:53 PM	#296
I hear where you're coming from, and you make good points.	kath	Jul-10-09 06:27 PM	#299
the entire question and answer section of biologos.org	northernlights	Jul-10-09 08:47 PM	#311
You can be a creationist and still believe in evolution	jgraz	Jul-10-09 09:12 PM	#315
that's the overview to the discussion I posted above	northernlights	Jul-10-09 09:35 PM	#317
You may find this interesting	jgraz	Jul-10-09 09:50 PM	#318
interesting table	northernlights	Jul-10-09 11:27 PM	#326
As always, follow the money	jgraz	Jul-10-09 05:44 PM	#295
so I've skimmed through some of the biologos.org site	northernlights	Jul-10-09 06:53 PM	#300
Yep. it's mostly dedicated to applying science to Christian apologetics	jgraz	Jul-10-09 06:59 PM	#302
first, Collins consistently uses science to refute the YEC's and ID's	northernlights	Jul-10-09 09:20 PM	#316
Sadly, Collins is looking more and more like a stealth fundie	jgraz	Jul-10-09 09:57 PM	#319
Um, did you read the info at the link you provided?	northernlights	Jul-10-09 10:26 PM	#321
These guys are pure evil	jgraz	Jul-10-09 11:28 PM	#327
If the guy is good at what he does, who gives a damn about his religion?	Colobo	Jul-10-09 10:30 PM	#322
His religion IS what he does. That's the problem.	jgraz	Jul-11-09 01:32 AM	#334
Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.	Colobo	Jul-11-09 01:40 AM	#335
This thread is roarin'! /nt	tomm2thumbs	Jul-10-09 11:32 PM	#328

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