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Wed Jun-24-09 11:35 PM
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| 125. Butch350, that was not eloquent. It was just plain inaccurate. One form of torture |
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IS NOT necessarily the same as another. Of course, it all induces pain and fear, but some is more horrible and can be administered in ways that make it slower and even more painful than other types of torture.
I don't know where you're getting your information, but some people have NO IDEA what torture really is and a dictionary definition will do nothing to help them understand. Words on a page are far less convincing than images.
To many Americans this is the discussion of a WORD, not horrific acts of physical violence against human beings. There are still ignorant assholes who are saying that waterboarding isn't even torture.
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| -Helen Thomas to Obama: If you see the importance of Neda video, why won't you release abuse photos? |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 09:35 AM |
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Answer is obvious. |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-24-09 09:36 AM |
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+1. n/t |
vaberella |
Jun-24-09 09:38 AM |
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+2! n/t |
Boomerang Diddle |
Jun-24-09 02:50 PM |
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yep, that covers it completely. |
wyldwolf |
Jun-24-09 10:03 AM |
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That's right. We've seen how the Neda pics have inflamed people |
Political Tiger |
Jun-24-09 01:16 PM |
#53 |
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Are you confused by the similarity in names between Iran and Iraq? |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:09 AM |
#135 |
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Some people are culpable for their actions and others aren't.. Duh. nt |
Umbral |
Jun-24-09 06:50 PM |
#85 |
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A 21 year old kid shouldn't have to die because of what Cheney/Bush |
ecstatic |
Jun-24-09 07:15 PM |
#90 |
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What if the protesters kill innocent Iranian soldiers in retaliation? |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 09:14 PM |
#107 |
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So let me see if I have... |
SkyIsGrey |
Jun-24-09 07:15 PM |
#91 |
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If you want to see those kinds of pictures - go to the library... |
Butch350 |
Jun-24-09 08:07 PM |
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So the Iranian government should oppress any photos or video? |
SkyIsGrey |
Jun-24-09 08:43 PM |
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I will eloquently put it this way. |
Butch350 |
Jun-24-09 09:42 PM |
#110 |
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Butch350, that was not eloquent. It was just plain inaccurate. One form of torture |
bertman |
Jun-24-09 11:35 PM |
#125 |
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That you have a picture of Neda as your avatar |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:17 AM |
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Front Page. |
SkyIsGrey |
Jun-25-09 05:23 AM |
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Bullshit... |
quickesst |
Jun-25-09 05:35 AM |
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Jun-24-09 09:20 PM |
#108 |
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+1! n/t |
JohnnyK |
Jun-24-09 11:25 PM |
#123 |
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Well Said... Frylock! n/t |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-24-09 11:30 PM |
#124 |
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A little over the top, but I agree with some parts of your post. |
liquid diamond |
Jun-24-09 09:52 PM |
#112 |
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Except that the average idiot American will be forced to confront |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:21 AM |
#138 |
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Good point! I have hard enough time getting them out of my mind. |
Alameda |
Jun-24-09 10:35 PM |
#115 |
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really? that's just weird |
fascisthunter |
Jun-25-09 08:57 AM |
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What the fuck is wrong with you. |
girl gone mad |
Jun-24-09 10:46 PM |
#122 |
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Sophistry at it's worst |
fascisthunter |
Jun-25-09 09:00 AM |
#159 |
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dupe |
fascisthunter |
Jun-25-09 09:00 AM |
#160 |
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You seem to be suffering from a logical disconnect... |
Stand and Fight |
Jun-25-09 12:41 AM |
#128 |
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Do you think we actually are looking forward to seeing the pictures? |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:14 AM |
#136 |
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Way to miss the point completely |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jun-25-09 05:03 AM |
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So you don't think the German people should |
truth2power |
Jun-25-09 09:50 AM |
#164 |
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such easy answers |
mdmc |
Jun-24-09 09:45 PM |
#111 |
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With that statement, you ruin your credibility. |
LittleBlue |
Jun-25-09 04:06 AM |
#134 |
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Obama is the President of the United States it's his job to act in the nation's self-interest |
Hippo_Tron |
Jun-25-09 04:56 PM |
#178 |
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Big kick for Helen |
Autumn |
Jun-24-09 09:36 AM |
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Deleted message |
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Jun-24-09 11:25 AM |
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You don't have to like her |
Autumn |
Jun-24-09 11:35 AM |
#39 |
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I thought she was brilliant to insert a cogent question at that moment |
lunatica |
Jun-24-09 06:14 PM |
#81 |
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What a loathsome thing to say - even "metaphorically." |
Peregrine Took |
Jun-24-09 06:46 PM |
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Jun-25-09 07:38 AM |
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How are the two issues related? n/t |
vaberella |
Jun-24-09 09:36 AM |
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Citizens seeing injustice by police or soldiers, |
Eric J in MN |
Jun-24-09 10:18 AM |
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See my post #42 |
Forkboy |
Jun-24-09 11:48 AM |
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It's censorship plain and simple |
Liberation Angel |
Jun-24-09 06:58 PM |
#86 |
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K&R |
invictus |
Jun-24-09 09:37 AM |
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Dumb question |
BeyondGeography |
Jun-24-09 09:38 AM |
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If US forces killed a Neda in New Jersey, would Obama attempt to supress the video? |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 09:40 AM |
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I assume not. |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-24-09 09:47 AM |
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Why do you "assume not," if you don't think it could ever happen? |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 09:49 AM |
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Because the likely response is not related to the practicality of the hypothetical. |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-24-09 09:57 AM |
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A hypothetical question needs not contain a likely scenario |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 10:07 AM |
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Yes, that's what I just said. The practicality is unrelated to the answer. |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-24-09 10:15 AM |
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So your answer was "I assume not." as far as I can tell, |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:31 AM |
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Occam Bandage, you are making a huge assumption in your first paragraph. There are |
bertman |
Jun-24-09 05:28 PM |
#77 |
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None dare call it genocide. |
asteroid2003QQ47 |
Jun-24-09 06:41 PM |
#83 |
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I have never seen so many posts on a single OP |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:29 AM |
#139 |
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How's Obama suppressing the video in that scenario unless the Feds are there shooting it themselves? |
high density |
Jun-24-09 09:53 AM |
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So torture at Gitmo by USA is somehow related to Iran shooting people in the street? |
high density |
Jun-24-09 09:46 AM |
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just simplify to clarify: |
mikelgb |
Jun-24-09 10:00 AM |
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Except... |
high density |
Jun-24-09 11:08 AM |
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That's what I couldn't get either. n/t |
vaberella |
Jun-24-09 10:02 AM |
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Pictures and pictures |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:35 AM |
#141 |
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Release photos of Timmy McVeigh's death shroud while we're at it |
zulchzulu |
Jun-24-09 09:50 AM |
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Timothy McVeigh was legally killed |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 09:52 AM |
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Neda was as well. nt |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-24-09 09:59 AM |
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Explain the law that resulted in the death of Neda n/t |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 10:02 AM |
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Iran does not have the same system of comprehensive legal protections America does. |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-24-09 10:14 AM |
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No, but they do have universal healthcare |
Oregone |
Jun-24-09 10:36 AM |
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But can't we see the pictures? Huh? Huh? Huh? |
zulchzulu |
Jun-24-09 11:50 AM |
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There's a reason they're laughing condescendingly. I fear Helen's heyday.. |
Tarheel_Dem |
Jun-24-09 10:15 AM |
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Well, Helen has a history of being petty |
Oregone |
Jun-24-09 10:21 AM |
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No, Helen has a selective memory. I'm still waiting for her hitpiece on |
Tarheel_Dem |
Jun-24-09 10:57 AM |
#33 |
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Oh Boy, So Helen's "Big Crime" Was Supporting Hillary? |
Dinger |
Jun-24-09 05:13 PM |
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Nope. Helen's big crime is intellectual dishonesty. She threw her full support |
Tarheel_Dem |
Jun-24-09 10:34 PM |
#114 |
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I don't agree but your questions are definitely legitimate ones |
Swagman |
Jun-24-09 10:41 PM |
#119 |
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Get over the primaries & take your blinders off. Not much has changed and Helen is pointing it out. |
earth mom |
Jun-24-09 07:07 PM |
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I see you as not getting over the primaries either. Guess you two are even. |
Forkboy |
Jun-24-09 11:20 AM |
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Helen Thomas supported Obama against McCain |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 11:36 AM |
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You take a journalist doing her job as an assault on the President? |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:38 AM |
#142 |
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If you see the importance of Neda video, why do *we* keep killing Iraqis |
Oregone |
Jun-24-09 10:20 AM |
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Dancing around the truth, what a surprise. |
Metta |
Jun-24-09 10:21 AM |
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Oh dear. It appears it is time for Helen to retire as her mind is deteriorating. |
GarbagemanLB |
Jun-24-09 10:24 AM |
#28 |
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Is Greenwald's mind deteriorating too? |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 11:34 AM |
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Glen Greenwald? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-24-09 11:38 AM |
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That funny, because Obama reads Greenwald every day |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 11:50 AM |
#44 |
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Is releasing the torture photos worth another uprising in Iraq? |
ericgtr |
Jun-24-09 10:26 AM |
#29 |
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Its their country |
Oregone |
Jun-24-09 10:32 AM |
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""Experts see no clear link between the Abu Ghraib and military deaths" |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 11:53 AM |
#46 |
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You think the Iraqis don't already know what went on? |
dflprincess |
Jun-24-09 08:49 PM |
#104 |
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Point? |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:41 AM |
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Go, Helen, go! |
Vidar |
Jun-24-09 10:54 AM |
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+1 |
emilyg |
Jun-24-09 01:03 PM |
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I don't see the connection. |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-24-09 11:18 AM |
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Actually, it does, though I agree it needs some more context. |
Forkboy |
Jun-24-09 11:44 AM |
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Neda's murder was captured and sent out virtually real-time. |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-24-09 11:59 AM |
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He snubbed her |
Politicalboi |
Jun-24-09 12:08 PM |
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The question she blurted out, interrupting him? |
Clio the Leo |
Jun-24-09 12:49 PM |
#50 |
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Oooh, the people dared to interrupt the President! How rude of the vox populi! |
WinkyDink |
Jun-24-09 02:50 PM |
#57 |
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Nope and SHE is not God's gift to the White House .... |
Clio the Leo |
Jun-24-09 02:55 PM |
#61 |
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Helen is certainly not God's Gift to the White House.... |
bvar22 |
Jun-24-09 03:34 PM |
#65 |
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But you NEVER heard applause coming from me.... |
Clio the Leo |
Jun-24-09 03:56 PM |
#68 |
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Just heard on Thom Hartmann: |
bvar22 |
Jun-24-09 05:11 PM |
#74 |
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Are you speaking of press briefings or.... |
Clio the Leo |
Jun-24-09 05:32 PM |
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No, they don't "prescreen" the questions. Whoever you heard on Hartman is incorrect. |
FailureToCommunicate |
Jun-24-09 07:48 PM |
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That was long before you showed up here, my dear. |
QC |
Jun-25-09 09:01 AM |
#161 |
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Best post yet! |
dgibby |
Jun-25-09 10:26 AM |
#166 |
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Short and sweet. Nailed it. |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-25-09 11:20 AM |
#169 |
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Yep, the Obama administration is afraid millions here will rise up just like they did in Iran. |
earth mom |
Jun-24-09 07:10 PM |
#89 |
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That's exactly what I was going to say about Helen. (eom) |
dflprincess |
Jun-24-09 08:52 PM |
#105 |
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Spot on! |
spoony |
Jun-24-09 10:36 PM |
#117 |
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This place reeks of hypocrisy from all quarters. |
Stand and Fight |
Jun-25-09 12:56 AM |
#131 |
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Yeah, I'm pretty mortified by the hypocrisy of late |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:49 AM |
#145 |
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I remember this |
Eric_323 |
Jun-25-09 10:33 AM |
#167 |
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It used to be, in the day of real journalism, that people did sometimes blurt out questions |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:44 AM |
#144 |
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I'm wondering if this was the first press conference some people here have seen. |
QC |
Jun-25-09 04:58 PM |
#179 |
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go Helen! |
JustinL |
Jun-24-09 12:35 PM |
#49 |
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Apples and oranges. n/t |
Political Tiger |
Jun-24-09 01:13 PM |
#52 |
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Maybe so as to not inflame those in Iran so they CAN turn against a radical regime |
Jennicut |
Jun-24-09 01:18 PM |
#54 |
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Obama has said he wants to release them later as well. n/t |
vaberella |
Jun-24-09 02:54 PM |
#60 |
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Prove it. You have been known to post fact free assertions and |
seaglass |
Jun-24-09 04:16 PM |
#73 |
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But we have seen abuse photos and we've seen people shot in Iran |
WIllo |
Jun-24-09 01:34 PM |
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Laughter erupted? When the subjects at hand were a murdered girl and tortured men and boys? |
WinkyDink |
Jun-24-09 02:49 PM |
#56 |
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Dumbest comparison I've ever heard. Time to retire Helen. |
Phx_Dem |
Jun-24-09 02:52 PM |
#59 |
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It can't possibly be, it got 44 recs and counting. n/t |
ProSense |
Jun-24-09 07:53 PM |
#97 |
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Its a crying shame that the same woman who was lavished |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jun-24-09 02:59 PM |
#62 |
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I'm confused! I thought criticism was good and to be encouraged? |
Political Tiger |
Jun-24-09 03:20 PM |
#63 |
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Do you think that asking Helen to retire is good criticism? |
Sweet and Spicy |
Jun-24-09 03:53 PM |
#67 |
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"Not all criticism is created equal." |
Political Tiger |
Jun-24-09 04:09 PM |
#72 |
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I think it was well said, actually |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:51 AM |
#146 |
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She's doing the same thing she's done since Kennedy was president |
dflprincess |
Jun-24-09 08:56 PM |
#106 |
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Criticism is one thing and it is appropriate |
rpannier |
Jun-24-09 10:28 PM |
#113 |
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My feelings exactly. |
bvar22 |
Jun-24-09 03:37 PM |
#66 |
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Yep. |
Forkboy |
Jun-24-09 03:59 PM |
#70 |
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no shoot.. |
frylock |
Jun-24-09 09:27 PM |
#109 |
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+1 |
Blue_Tires |
Jun-24-09 04:01 PM |
#71 |
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Okay, help me out |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:54 AM |
#147 |
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it essentially means: |
Blue_Tires |
Jun-25-09 07:28 AM |
#155 |
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I got the gist, I just hadn't seen a single post like that before say, two weeks ago |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 05:57 PM |
#180 |
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+2 |
leftstreet |
Jun-25-09 12:30 AM |
#127 |
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No, no, no... YOU forgot something! |
Stand and Fight |
Jun-25-09 12:59 AM |
#132 |
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Not from me |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 04:55 AM |
#148 |
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I keep using this |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jun-25-09 05:09 AM |
#152 |
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That was a very different DU that sent roses to Helen Thomas. n/t |
QC |
Jun-25-09 08:58 AM |
#158 |
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hypocrisysome have forgotten that truth is a virtue |
fascisthunter |
Jun-25-09 09:03 AM |
#162 |
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More people might call for accountability, we cannot have that :( nt |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-24-09 03:29 PM |
#64 |
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Give 'em hell, Helen! |
bigwillq |
Jun-24-09 03:57 PM |
#69 |
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And now....Helen Thomas goes under the bus |
Zodiak |
Jun-24-09 05:16 PM |
#76 |
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Bill Maher nails it with his latest video. There are 2 parties: center right party & the crazy party |
earth mom |
Jun-24-09 07:18 PM |
#92 |
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I don't typically start OPs |
Zodiak |
Jun-25-09 04:36 PM |
#176 |
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Soon To Add Seymour Hersh |
NashVegas |
Jun-25-09 04:10 PM |
#175 |
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Why? |
Zodiak |
Jun-25-09 04:45 PM |
#177 |
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And doing it now would be so much more effective, AND a challenge to the Iranians to do the same! |
cascadiance |
Jun-24-09 05:35 PM |
#79 |
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Thank you Helen. |
Gregorian |
Jun-24-09 06:07 PM |
#80 |
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I agree.... |
rustydad |
Jun-24-09 06:17 PM |
#82 |
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Helen is our National Treasure! |
winyanstaz |
Jun-24-09 07:00 PM |
#87 |
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Helen Thomas IS NOW A COLUMNIST. Columnists don't get called on in WH press |
FailureToCommunicate |
Jun-24-09 07:26 PM |
#93 |
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It's much easier to address Irans abuses than our own. That doesn't require US to change. |
Wizard777 |
Jun-24-09 07:31 PM |
#94 |
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Will noone rid me of this troublesome reporter? |
billyoc |
Jun-24-09 07:32 PM |
#95 |
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LOL |
Forkboy |
Jun-24-09 07:59 PM |
#99 |
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Perzackly. |
WinkyDink |
Jun-25-09 10:07 AM |
#165 |
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ironically, releasing them would no doubt undermine even the Iran protesters by letting them say... |
tomm2thumbs |
Jun-24-09 07:57 PM |
#98 |
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We do not need to see those pictures |
Barbara2423 |
Jun-24-09 08:23 PM |
#101 |
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....as long as a jury sees them..... |
Alameda |
Jun-24-09 10:36 PM |
#116 |
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Best response ever! |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 05:02 AM |
#149 |
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Thanks, Helen Thomas! Hypocrites, beware. Helen Thomas is there. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-24-09 08:31 PM |
#102 |
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Helen is my Heroine |
Swagman |
Jun-24-09 10:38 PM |
#118 |
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The day the Neda video came out, I had exactly the same thought |
Duer 157099 |
Jun-24-09 10:42 PM |
#120 |
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I hope I'm still that sharp at her age. |
girl gone mad |
Jun-24-09 10:43 PM |
#121 |
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Helen Thomas might not know what a "war crime" is? |
boppers |
Jun-24-09 11:45 PM |
#126 |
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I will not -- in the interest of maintaining the party line -- knock down Helen Thomas. |
Stand and Fight |
Jun-25-09 12:46 AM |
#129 |
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Helen is the best |
Necon-Be-Gone |
Jun-25-09 12:55 AM |
#130 |
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Released photos WOULD taint a jury pool for the war crimes trial. |
troubledamerican |
Jun-25-09 01:14 AM |
#133 |
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What war crimes trial? |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 05:05 AM |
#151 |
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Oh SNAP! |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-25-09 09:50 AM |
#163 |
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Her analogy is flawed |
karynnj |
Jun-25-09 10:51 AM |
#168 |
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Yeah. If Obama released those photos now, |
bvar22 |
Jun-25-09 01:21 PM |
#170 |
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The memos are more damning than the photos - and they are out |
karynnj |
Jun-25-09 03:13 PM |
#172 |
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But aren't you worried that the photos will "Incite" people? |
bvar22 |
Jun-25-09 03:30 PM |
#173 |
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I respectfully disagree |
karynnj |
Jun-25-09 03:56 PM |
#174 |
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Have you noticed that we the people are not very good at getting outraged by words |
tavalon |
Jun-25-09 06:02 PM |
#181 |
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Good for Helen! |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-25-09 02:09 PM |
#171 |
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