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Thu Jun-18-09 09:43 PM
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| 41. My position remains the same. I'm all for gay rights, but I'm a |
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realist. Social change does not happen over night. For the first time in this country's history, a black man was elected President. That was such a historical moment considering the anguish and discrimination blacks have experienced for hundreds of years. After Lincoln freed the slaves, blacks were not immediately considered equals. I know that the struggles that gays face in America are not as tough compared to what blacks have gone through (slavery, lynching, disenfranchisement), but I just want to point out that the road to equality is a long one and cannot be rushed. Obama has been in office for about 6 months and yet I'm hearing gays (and straights) here call him a homophobe and comparing him to Bush. For crying out loud stop being so profane and shrill. Give Obama time to work and we'll reach our goal by the end of his presidency.
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| -Why the tension between LGBTers and the President's ardent supporters |
Prism |
Jun-18-09 01:16 PM |
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thoughtful post. |
dionysus |
Jun-18-09 01:18 PM |
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EXCELLENT OP -- k&r |
LostinVA |
Jun-18-09 01:18 PM |
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Very well said, says this straight woman |
incapsulated |
Jun-18-09 01:18 PM |
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The title is a false dichotomy. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jun-18-09 01:19 PM |
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No, it isn't. n/t |
incapsulated |
Jun-18-09 01:20 PM |
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I wasn't sure what term to use |
Prism |
Jun-18-09 01:28 PM |
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I would like to think they are not mutually exclusive. n/t |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-18-09 04:26 PM |
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I still believe that Obama wants to be pushed and challenged by the left |
Lex |
Jun-18-09 01:21 PM |
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And if the left puts no pressure on him, then all the pressure will be coming from the right. |
QC |
Jun-18-09 01:26 PM |
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Exactly. |
Lex |
Jun-18-09 01:32 PM |
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We're pushing with the flow not against it. The OP brought that out nicely. n/t |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-18-09 09:08 PM |
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Obama simply being "pushed and challenged" by the left |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Jun-18-09 01:34 PM |
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Well, he doesn't read here. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-18-09 01:36 PM |
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I have more confidence in his strength and poise than to think |
Lex |
Jun-18-09 01:36 PM |
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Well, I too doubt they would hurt his feelings |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Jun-18-09 01:46 PM |
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Hopefully he will pay attention to the reaction to the statements |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-18-09 01:51 PM |
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Maybe, but most here aren't in leadership positions |
Prism |
Jun-18-09 01:48 PM |
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I don't blame anybody for feeling frustrated and weary |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Jun-18-09 01:52 PM |
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President Obama is simply what we have in common at the moment |
Prism |
Jun-18-09 02:04 PM |
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I hope that LGBT activists keep the pressure on, but do so constructively. |
Cant trust em |
Jun-18-09 01:28 PM |
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Like any push for equality, it will take ALL forms of pressure. |
Lex |
Jun-18-09 01:35 PM |
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I think there's a difference between loud and snarky attention grabbing |
Cant trust em |
Jun-18-09 01:38 PM |
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Post's on DU are hardly some official statement from King |
incapsulated |
Jun-18-09 01:39 PM |
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I'm thinking more about op-eds, not just DU. |
Cant trust em |
Jun-18-09 01:49 PM |
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Everyone plays a part. |
Lex |
Jun-18-09 01:40 PM |
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There's a difference between what gets posted here |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-18-09 01:42 PM |
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Right. Those press releases were perfect. |
Cant trust em |
Jun-18-09 01:50 PM |
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Dupe n/t |
Prism |
Jun-18-09 02:03 PM |
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Excellent OP. Outstanding. k&r |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-18-09 01:32 PM |
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The closer we edge to equality... |
Orsino |
Jun-18-09 01:52 PM |
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recommend -- and wow parts of this thread are sure an interesting read. nt |
xchrom |
Jun-18-09 01:54 PM |
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This is some nice prose. |
LooseWilly |
Jun-18-09 02:07 PM |
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. |
Starry Messenger |
Jun-19-09 06:59 AM |
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K&R |
PVnRT |
Jun-18-09 02:17 PM |
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Are you suggesting the "President's ardent supporters" are not for LGBT rights? |
zulchzulu |
Jun-18-09 03:02 PM |
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Not at all |
Prism |
Jun-18-09 03:15 PM |
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As an ardent supporter of President Obama |
Cha |
Jun-18-09 03:23 PM |
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i'm between a rock and a hard place here |
elana i am |
Jun-18-09 04:05 PM |
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We mostly agree |
Prism |
Jun-18-09 04:24 PM |
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K&R, eloquently & effectively argued. n/t |
tpsbmam |
Jun-18-09 06:09 PM |
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Thank you for the thoughtful post. K&R. n/t |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-18-09 09:06 PM |
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My position remains the same. I'm all for gay rights, but I'm a |
liquid diamond |
Jun-18-09 09:43 PM |
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You wait |
mitchtv |
Jun-18-09 10:38 PM |
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I'm young and I don't want to wait either |
Chovexani |
Jun-18-09 10:49 PM |
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Good for you, you have more reason |
mitchtv |
Jun-18-09 11:02 PM |
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So, how do we push? |
ohheckyeah |
Jun-18-09 11:47 PM |
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There are many ways |
Prism |
Jun-19-09 02:26 PM |
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Thanks for the reply. |
ohheckyeah |
Jun-19-09 03:46 PM |
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