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9. I see you are not up on the use of the ancient Greek language:
Edited on Thu Jun-04-09 10:36 AM by rateyes
The phrase "son of" or "sons of" is often used (and is used in Matthew 5) to denote moral characteristics: For example, "son of thunder," "sons of light," "sons of disobedience," "sons of perdition," and "sons of God."

It refers to the quality of a person. For example, "a son of disobedience," is a "disobedient" person. A "son of God" is a "Godlike" person.

The transliteration of the word "son" from Greek to English is "HUIOS." It is often used to denote descendants without reference to sex. When speaking of "descendants" (both male and female), in ancient Greek the word "HUIOS" is often used.

The "Bible," you say, uses the word "sons" to the exclusion of "daughters." It is true that the KING JAMES VERSION of the Bible (an English translation, BTW, from the LATIN version of the New Testatment--thus making it a translation of a translation) uses the word "sons." However, many other English versions of the Bible correctly translate HUIOS from the Greek, not as "sons," but as "children."

THE Bible, of which you speak (the original text) uses "HUIOS," not "SONS."

Obama, today, quoted the King James ENGLISH Version of the text and said "sons." IMO, it would have been better for him to have used the inclusive langue of other versions. However, I do not believe that he was purposely excluding women. He did, after all, speak to a very patriarchal religion about the need to treat women as equals.

While I think you have a legitimate complaint about Obama not using inclusive language, I do not believe you have a legitimate reason to call his intentions "sexist."
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  -"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God." Matthew 5:9 Empowerer  Jun-04-09 10:00 AM   #0 
  - Amen.  ClarkUSA   Jun-04-09 10:01 AM   #1 
  - yes indeed.  bdamomma   Jun-04-09 10:05 AM   #2 
  - that's not what he said. he said:  ensho   Jun-04-09 10:07 AM   #3 
  - I see you are not up on the use of the ancient Greek language:  rateyes   Jun-04-09 10:35 AM   #9 
  - thank you NT  Clio the Leo   Jun-04-09 10:51 AM   #11 
  - You're welcome. nt  rateyes   Jun-04-09 11:06 AM   #13 
  - sons, sons, sons, sons, sons, don't kid yourself it means sons  ensho   Jun-04-09 11:15 AM   #18 
  - OK, I get it...  damonm   Jun-04-09 11:35 AM   #22 
  - Wants to be offended? I think thrives in it  BoneDaddy   Jun-04-09 11:41 AM   #27 
  - You are purposefully being literal and its petty.  phleshdef   Jun-04-09 11:41 AM   #26 
  - I imagine we all think to some extent...  LanternWaste   Jun-04-09 12:22 PM   #31 
  - BING BING BING  damonm   Jun-04-09 02:36 PM   #40 
  - huios, huios, huios, huios, huios, huios, don't kid yourself, it means  rateyes   Jun-04-09 12:42 PM   #35 
  - God, can we just have a moment here?  roguevalley   Jun-04-09 02:22 PM   #37 
  - Sometimes the grammar nazis have a point.  hvn_nbr_2   Jun-05-09 01:35 PM   #42 
  - Excellent explanation. Thanks.  ClarkUSA   Jun-04-09 11:28 AM   #19 
  - In my 5 years on DU, easily one of the best posts I've ever read!  SKKY   Jun-04-09 12:41 PM   #33 
  - Yeah, thanks,  Cha   Jun-05-09 06:11 PM   #47 
  - Funny how people look for the smallest thing  BoneDaddy   Jun-04-09 11:39 AM   #25 
     - It can't be easy to live like that, always looking for the negative in things...  SKKY   Jun-04-09 12:42 PM   #34 
        - Yet is amazing how much power there is  BoneDaddy   Jun-05-09 10:33 AM   #41 
  - Indeed, God Bless President Obama  Douglas Carpenter   Jun-04-09 10:15 AM   #4 
  - I thought he said, "Blessed are the cheesemakers."  GodlessBiker   Jun-04-09 10:18 AM   #5 
  - Cheesemakers are blessed. I love cheese!  gauguin57   Jun-04-09 10:23 AM   #6 
  - Must see TV  QueenOfCalifornia   Jun-04-09 11:08 AM   #15 
  - I thought he said Blessed are the Cheeseheads  undeterred   Jun-04-09 12:51 PM   #36 
  - You realize, of course, that this refrence is meaningless  question everything   Jun-04-09 10:23 AM   #7 
  - I'm not so sure...Jesus is a prophet in Islam  CJCRANE   Jun-04-09 11:14 AM   #17 
  - No, you are missing the context. He quoted 3 scriptures from all 3 religions with the same meaning  phleshdef   Jun-04-09 11:39 AM   #24 
  - Now I do, after watching that part of the speech  question everything   Jun-04-09 12:30 PM   #32 
  - Why would you say that?  Number23   Jun-05-09 05:22 PM   #43 
  - Not really  JerseygirlCT   Jun-05-09 05:40 PM   #44 
  - "God is watching us"  cilla4progress   Jun-04-09 10:29 AM   #8 
  - "And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."  Clio the Leo   Jun-04-09 10:49 AM   #10 
  - I'm not what could be termed a "card-carrying Christian",  pnorman   Jun-04-09 11:08 AM   #14 
  - Glad you liked it and i have to admit.....  Clio the Leo   Jun-04-09 11:11 AM   #16 
  - That was wonderful  Ocracoker16   Jun-04-09 11:38 AM   #23 
  - I second ClarkUSA PLEEEEASE make that an OP  HopeOverFear   Jun-04-09 11:47 AM   #29 
  - It's poignant!  Cha   Jun-05-09 06:20 PM   #48 
  - Please make this an OP. It's awesome.  ClarkUSA   Jun-04-09 11:30 AM   #20 
  - Love it!  Kaylee   Jun-04-09 11:34 AM   #21 
  - Amen!!  uponit7771   Jun-04-09 02:34 PM   #39 
  - Funny, I thought of that phrase last night when I was reading  JimWis   Jun-04-09 10:54 AM   #12 
  - Another part of scripture  damonm   Jun-04-09 11:43 AM   #28 
  - Yep and as we all know, in spite of their efforts to protect the unborn...  Clio the Leo   Jun-04-09 12:07 PM   #30 
  - That, right there, sums it up for me  JerseygirlCT   Jun-05-09 05:42 PM   #45 
     - You're in good company...  damonm   Jun-05-09 05:46 PM   #46 
  - No No No. Blessed are the CHEESEMAKERS.  progressoid   Jun-04-09 02:30 PM   #38 
 

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