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Thu Jun-04-09 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #55 |
| 59. I think Kerry's trip was independent |
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It was Kerry's job as part of providing oversight and as others pointed out he has made similar trips before. It was also to Obama's advantage for Kerry to be independent. I am not sure an administration official could have made the Gaza trip. At the Jordan World Economic Forum, Kerry spoke of not being able to take his security when he and Teresa went with the UN people into Gaza. I am not sure a SoS or even the special envoy would have been allowed to make that decision - which did put the Kerrys at some risk.
Kerry has spoken of speaking to the President and to Clinton before and after he went. I assume that Obama - who used him as his top surrogate on foreign policy during the election - was completely briefed by Kerry on things he heard and saw. It is very clear that on Syria, Obama likely gave Kerry a green light to continue sounding out positions with Syria's leader and when they reached a place where there was agreement, the Obama administration (HRC) took it from there - which is completely appropriate.
Kerry's independence is an advantage - he can say things without them being seen as the President's policy. In addition, he has the luxury of politely disagreeing with Obama's positions. If you listen to the very end of the hearing with HRC - Kerry repeats the concern mentioned in her hearings - very politely and discretely - about the size of our "footprint" in Afghanistan. From other hearings, it is clear that he favors the lightest footprint possible. His hearings provide reasons backing his position. It is clear that some in the administration- Jim Jones, especially, mentioned the first Afghanistan hearing he had in a positive way. He clearly did not win on this issue, though he might have had some impact.
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| -John Kerry helped break the logjam in US/Syria relations and Hillary Clinton followed up |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 08:28 AM |
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So thankful Kerry took the lead away from HRC on Syria...both Clintons were glued to Bush on Syria |
blm |
Jun-03-09 09:07 AM |
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I assume that Kerry's actions may not get the credit in the media that they deserve, but at this |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 09:37 AM |
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Something media wouldn't talk much about in 2004, Teresa worked as interpreter@UN for some years |
blm |
Jun-03-09 09:46 AM |
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The media distorted Teresa even more than it did JK |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 10:38 AM |
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Kerry is doing a great job imo. I am glad he was the one to take over on the SFRC |
Jennicut |
Jun-03-09 09:58 AM |
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Completely agree. He is very much in his element and is doing a fantastic job. Proudly K&R! :D |
ObamaKerryDem |
Jun-03-09 04:41 PM |
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Thanks for keeping us apprised of the facts re: Kerry's unheralded foreign policy involvement. |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-03-09 10:00 AM |
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Obviously, Kerry and the special envoys are doing the heavy lifting in hotspots. 5th K&R. |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-03-09 09:12 AM |
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Remember that Bushlike tirade Bill made against Syria in 2005? His blog removed it after it posted |
blm |
Jun-03-09 09:40 AM |
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No surprise there, given the praise Bubba gave Bush's Iraq war policy early on... |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-03-09 09:53 AM |
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google at DU does....you can bet Bill needed it removed before Hillary's SoS hearings. |
blm |
Jun-03-09 10:00 AM |
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lol! I'll bet he did. |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-03-09 10:04 AM |
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here's a past DU link.... |
blm |
Jun-03-09 10:48 AM |
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Thanks. |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-03-09 11:35 AM |
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"Because Hillary clearly hasn't got the experience to do it herself." Ugh. So predictable. |
Metric System |
Jun-03-09 02:33 PM |
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That's why I stayed away from this thread. |
Beacool |
Jun-03-09 02:56 PM |
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As the OP, I resent your idiotic assertion of a non-existing diagnosis |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 03:35 PM |
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+1 |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-03-09 07:24 PM |
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Oh, please........... |
Beacool |
Jun-03-09 11:05 PM |
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The fact is that you could have done one of three things rather than bash this thread |
karynnj |
Jun-04-09 07:18 AM |
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you feel anti-Clinton sentiments are undeserved because you are of the group who doesn't CARE |
blm |
Jun-04-09 09:13 AM |
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I know you are responding to the poster, but the story is a FAR BETTER one |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 03:13 PM |
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Isn't deference to skilled players a sign of a strong leader? |
keopeli |
Jun-04-09 01:05 AM |
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Exactly |
karynnj |
Jun-04-09 07:31 AM |
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Bush did NOT send Kerry in 05 and 06. Kerry went on his own to engage Assad at a time when |
blm |
Jun-04-09 09:22 AM |
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I meant "I doubt" as an understatement |
karynnj |
Jun-04-09 10:04 AM |
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I know....I wanted to make sure that those not paying attention at the time understood more fully |
blm |
Jun-04-09 10:16 AM |
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Hard to say. Many thought so when Bush II deferred to Cheney. |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-04-09 09:44 AM |
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I think Kerry's trip was independent |
karynnj |
Jun-04-09 10:21 AM |
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I believe it was his idea. |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-04-09 10:41 AM |
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I hope he does write an autobiography |
karynnj |
Jun-04-09 11:42 AM |
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Yeah, his is an extraordinary life. So is Teresa's. |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-06-09 06:08 PM |
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it would be hard to overstate the importance of this |
Douglas Carpenter |
Jun-03-09 09:24 AM |
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You had your chance, America. Instead, you gave us four more years of Bush eff-ups. |
gauguin57 |
Jun-03-09 09:27 AM |
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Actually, Ken Blackwell via Karl Rove did that. But I get your gist. |
ClarkUSA |
Jun-03-09 10:31 AM |
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... |
YvonneCa |
Jun-05-09 10:49 AM |
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yep, I agree that American voters deserve a good part of the blame |
MBS |
Jun-03-09 11:42 AM |
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Your words "...our fellow citizens chose sleep and fear over awareness and courage"... |
YvonneCa |
Jun-05-09 10:51 AM |
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I said that same thing last night |
DoBotherMe |
Jun-03-09 04:29 PM |
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I wonder what the reaction from Bush's WH would have been |
redqueen |
Jun-03-09 09:39 AM |
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Couldn't happen, because Bush himself was not in favor of diplomacy |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 10:15 AM |
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Bush didn't NEED Republican senators to carry his water - wellknown Dems hawked against Syria along |
blm |
Jun-17-09 04:12 PM |
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Nice high-five to Senator Kerry for his tireless yet often unsung efforts. n/t |
AtomicKitten |
Jun-03-09 10:08 AM |
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.. what you said. n/t |
MBS |
Jun-03-09 11:42 AM |
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It is good to see Ignatius recognize Kerry's job, but he is only continuing the job he has started |
Mass |
Jun-03-09 10:42 AM |
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True - I remember the frustration in his voice when he spoke |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 12:38 PM |
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Kerry's been sounding the alarm for decades about that entire region - when this nation's |
blm |
Jun-03-09 02:16 PM |
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very, very nice--thanks! |
MBS |
Jun-03-09 11:38 AM |
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EXACTLY. It is wonderful to see journalists finally... |
YvonneCa |
Jun-03-09 06:15 PM |
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Great job by Kerry |
Uzybone |
Jun-03-09 11:54 AM |
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true |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 01:42 PM |
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Yep |
politicasista |
Jun-03-09 03:38 PM |
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his tireless work has gone unheralded by corpmedia for two decades... |
blm |
Jun-03-09 04:12 PM |
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Kick for productive work |
politicasista |
Jun-03-09 02:58 PM |
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So true |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 09:55 PM |
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Yep. |
politicasista |
Jun-03-09 10:02 PM |
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K & R for a great leader. |
jillan |
Jun-03-09 03:36 PM |
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I love your signature nt |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 04:00 PM |
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kick |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 07:06 PM |
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I hope he continues to be a huge player in foreign policy matters. He is the best. n/t |
wisteria |
Jun-03-09 07:33 PM |
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Well, he already filed papers for re-election in 2014 |
karynnj |
Jun-03-09 08:50 PM |
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John Kerry is just outstanding. He's a public servant with his eye on the |
saltpoint |
Jun-04-09 04:26 AM |
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Here is another eye-opening article from Bloomberg... |
YvonneCa |
Jun-04-09 07:34 AM |
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Me too - he really is making incredible use of his role as chair of the SFRC |
karynnj |
Jun-04-09 08:20 AM |
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Kerry's hearings are must-see TV for serious policy watchers.... |
blm |
Jun-05-09 10:37 AM |
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Hi, Yvonne. You said it. I'm on board with your assessment, |
saltpoint |
Jun-04-09 09:22 PM |
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Excellent article - thanks |
jonestonesusa |
Jun-04-09 10:14 AM |
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They don't much fit the image projected... |
YvonneCa |
Jun-05-09 11:44 AM |
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Kerry developed a dialogue with Assad years ago while hardline Dems like Clintons sided with Bush |
blm |
Jun-16-09 07:56 AM |
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Kerry is a great man. Thanks for a fine thread. nt |
PufPuf23 |
Jun-04-09 10:40 AM |
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kick for diplomacy n/t |
politicasista |
Jun-17-09 10:23 PM |
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