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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. There was no evidence presented that the test was biased,
I'm not sure that was even the question before the court. I believe the question was whether the city had the right to throw the test results out.
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  -Can someone please help educate me about the New Haven firefighter case? OneGrassRoot  May-26-09 08:12 PM   #0 
  - Did the city's attorney review this test before it was given?  tularetom   May-26-09 08:22 PM   #1 
  - See, THAT would make sense....  OneGrassRoot   May-26-09 08:29 PM   #2 
  - I read today that the test was created by an outside contractor that specilized  amandabeech   May-26-09 11:26 PM   #8 
  - Wikipedia link  NYC_SKP   May-26-09 08:41 PM   #3 
  - Thanks! :) n/t  OneGrassRoot   May-26-09 08:42 PM   #4 
  - Another informative article here:  NYC_SKP   May-26-09 08:46 PM   #5 
  - That is a good one. Thank you.  OneGrassRoot   May-26-09 08:51 PM   #6 
  - I'm amazed at the cost of the consultant's services.  Moosepoop   May-28-09 09:42 AM   #54 
  - Just jumping into this,  elleng   May-26-09 09:00 PM   #7 
  - This case is fascinating to me for many reasons. I grew up a few towns away from New Haven.  Jennicut   May-26-09 11:45 PM   #9 
  - Wouldn't the test be on the properties of fire, method and theory  JohnnyBoots   May-27-09 08:15 AM   #10 
     - You voiced my thoughts perfectly. Thanks. n/t  OneGrassRoot   May-27-09 08:26 AM   #12 
        - It is unfortunate that this case will be used as a molitov cocktail by the Right. It is pretty  JohnnyBoots   May-27-09 08:30 AM   #13 
        - I just posted more thoughts about this in a Rush thread...  OneGrassRoot   May-27-09 08:33 AM   #14 
           - It is interesting that they threw out the test because of too many whites and not enough  JohnnyBoots   May-27-09 08:49 AM   #15 
              - Literacy tests  fugop   May-27-09 09:06 AM   #19 
              - Didn't a dyslexic firefighter do well? It seems if special arrangements  JohnnyBoots   May-27-09 09:13 AM   #20 
                 - Yes  fugop   May-27-09 09:22 AM   #22 
                 - Do a little more research on the case. You will see local politics had a pretty heavy hand in the  JohnnyBoots   May-27-09 09:41 AM   #24 
                 - He paid $1000 to study for it though...  Blue_Roses   May-27-09 11:15 AM   #30 
              - It is my understanding that in the previous test there was a black firefighter who  Raineyb   May-27-09 01:25 PM   #33 
        - The test is "under seal" by the court, in the first place.  CTyankee   May-27-09 08:52 AM   #16 
           - Thanks for that insight, CTyankee!!!  OneGrassRoot   May-27-09 09:01 AM   #17 
           - What kind of 'Flaws' working against black firefighters are you talking  JohnnyBoots   May-27-09 09:01 AM   #18 
              - I say "flaws" because I can't understand how it can be that no black firefighter  CTyankee   May-27-09 09:17 AM   #21 
                 - I agree the test was outdated and I  JohnnyBoots   May-27-09 09:40 AM   #23 
                 - Public schools in New Haven are NOT the greatest.  CTyankee   May-27-09 09:52 AM   #25 
                 - There were black firefighters who passed the test  DatManFromNawlins   May-27-09 10:05 PM   #48 
                    - The scores of the black firefighters were lower than the whites so the top scorers  CTyankee   May-28-09 12:53 PM   #59 
  - The Case Illustrates That She Is Not An Activist Judge  jberryhill   May-27-09 08:24 AM   #11 
  - Any organization who uses such a test would do the same as the city of New Haven,  izzybeans   May-27-09 10:29 AM   #26 
  - Well, due diligence would have required the mayor to find a test that had been used before  CTyankee   May-27-09 01:21 PM   #31 
     - You are asking to correct something that has no bearing on the legal aspect of the case and has the  izzybeans   May-27-09 03:55 PM   #34 
        - You misunderstand my argument. I am blaming the mayor for the mess to begin with.  CTyankee   May-27-09 04:25 PM   #35 
           - I love when I argue with someone I agree with.  izzybeans   May-29-09 02:24 PM   #68 
  - The way questions are asked can make assumptions about common experiences that are not valid.  TimesSquareCowboy   May-27-09 10:44 AM   #27 
  - Some tests use simulation. This one did not.  CTyankee   May-27-09 01:24 PM   #32 
  - And the context of fire departments should not be ignored.  TimesSquareCowboy   May-27-09 10:49 AM   #28 
  - Seriously? In NYC?  OneGrassRoot   May-27-09 11:10 AM   #29 
  - Reverse racism  sniffa   May-27-09 04:26 PM   #36 
  - I just wish I could see the test and make up my own mind on what I think of it.  rvablue   May-27-09 04:44 PM   #37 
  - My money is on that it is sealed because the Mayor is covering his ass.  JohnnyBoots   May-28-09 10:17 AM   #55 
  - "how one constructs a technical test that favors or discriminates against any race"  boppers   May-27-09 04:53 PM   #38 
  - Thanks for that! :) n/t  OneGrassRoot   May-27-09 04:59 PM   #39 
  - There was no evidence presented that the test was biased,  seaglass   May-27-09 05:35 PM   #40 
  - Well, there was the court's decision, and how the decision is now being framed.  boppers   May-27-09 06:21 PM   #42 
     - Sorry, I wasn't looking at this case in the context of the SCOTUS  seaglass   May-27-09 07:44 PM   #44 
        - Interesting link!  boppers   May-27-09 10:43 PM   #50 
        - Thank you! n/t  OneGrassRoot   May-28-09 08:14 AM   #52 
  - How do you know...  MellowDem   May-27-09 07:55 PM   #45 
  - Well, I know you're not a golfer.  boppers   May-27-09 09:54 PM   #47 
  - About the golf course...  MellowDem   May-28-09 10:19 AM   #56 
  - Shoe on the other foot test: Imagine it were the other way around . . .  Empowerer   May-28-09 11:17 AM   #57 
     - Well, if that had been the case...  MellowDem   May-28-09 11:57 AM   #58 
        - Do you really believe  Empowerer   May-28-09 02:09 PM   #60 
           - I was talking generally  MellowDem   May-28-09 09:25 PM   #61 
              - "The fact that none made the the score isn't surprising given the numbers . . . "  Empowerer   May-28-09 10:17 PM   #62 
                 - I disagree  MellowDem   May-29-09 11:40 AM   #67 
  - Those are not racially bias questions  Rwalsh   May-27-09 08:01 PM   #46 
  - That really depends on one's ideas about class, and race.  boppers   May-27-09 10:12 PM   #49 
  - So the only people that can pass this test is  Thothmes   May-29-09 05:59 AM   #65 
  - The firefighters have a website:  Feron   May-27-09 06:02 PM   #41 
  - Here's an article I came across today that might help...  babylonsister   May-27-09 07:01 PM   #43 
  - Here's another...  babylonsister   May-28-09 07:42 AM   #51 
  - Thanks for all this, babylonsister. :) n/t  OneGrassRoot   May-28-09 08:14 AM   #53 
  - The GOP hate-machine tries to give you the impression...  Puzzler   May-28-09 10:48 PM   #63 
  - Isn't all this beside the point? By not agreeing to hear the case, the appellate court  wiggs   May-28-09 11:51 PM   #64 
     - I agree with you but the other side would say "Why didn't she vote to overturn and  CTyankee   May-29-09 07:19 AM   #66 

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