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13. Abigail Adams was a real feminist when women had no rights or personhood
I think that the ladies who fought for our present womens' rights when there was no such thing are far more accomplished than those who took it a step further. And that's not to take anything away from the women who took it a step further. I just happen to think that those who go against conventional wisdom centuries before they can possibly win are the true heroes.
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  -Ranking the First Ladies wyldwolf  May-25-09 11:49 AM   #0 
  - Why is Barbara Bush #8? Can't remember a single thing she ever did. And Betty Ford should  rvablue   May-25-09 11:55 AM   #1 
  - "Doug Wead, a conservative historian and former advisor to two Republican presidents"...  Robeson   May-25-09 12:10 PM   #3 
  - But Barbara Bush is VERY 'rank'--- you gotta give her that.,  beac   May-25-09 12:16 PM   #4 
  - Agreed- Betty Ford was a decent human being..  Silence Dogood   May-25-09 02:07 PM   #18 
  - sorry, Eleanor over Hillary by a mile  Uzybone   May-25-09 12:04 PM   #2 
  - Abigail Adams was a real feminist when women had no rights or personhood  lunatica   May-25-09 01:04 PM   #13 
  - Agreed. I felt HRC was a 3. Abigail and Eleanor definitely move up. n/t  vaberella   May-25-09 01:20 PM   #14 
  - Absolutely. Eleanor contributed to world peace and social justice,  Radical Activist   May-25-09 02:17 PM   #20 
     - Why don't you get a life?  MoonRiver   May-26-09 09:23 AM   #43 
  - where the hell is Jacqueline Kennedy on the list  sarah553807   May-25-09 12:19 PM   #5 
  - Here is a survey that asks history professors from America's colleges & universities:  mod mom   May-25-09 12:23 PM   #6 
  - Read much?  wyldwolf   May-25-09 12:35 PM   #8 
  - I think Hillary & her husband are corporatist opportunists, here's one reason why:  mod mom   May-25-09 12:44 PM   #9 
     - of course you do. But that has nothing to do with the ability to read an OP  wyldwolf   May-25-09 12:47 PM   #10 
        - Diplomats are nothing if not opportunists.  denem   May-25-09 12:52 PM   #12 
        - I saw who posted it and figured it was more pro Clinton tripe...  mod mom   May-25-09 01:25 PM   #17 
           - ha ha! WRONG!  wyldwolf   May-25-09 07:43 PM   #25 
              - most people i know  mod mom   May-25-09 08:51 PM   #27 
                 - Same old story with the kooks on the left.  Beacool   May-25-09 10:59 PM   #29 
                 - You mean the "kooks" who overwhelmingly backed Obama OVER the must more known  mod mom   May-26-09 12:57 PM   #45 
                    - Overwhelmingly?  Beacool   May-27-09 12:10 AM   #46 
                 - you have a very small circle of acquaintances  wyldwolf   May-26-09 08:26 AM   #37 
                 - Our assoications are very self-selecting and not representative of the general population. nt  Captain Hilts   May-26-09 09:04 AM   #39 
  - Well, Eleanor Roosevelt is certainly the greatest woman of the 20th Century. Harry Truman said  Captain Hilts   May-25-09 11:07 PM   #33 
  - It's funny this survey comes from Loudonville, NY...  Captain Hilts   May-25-09 11:12 PM   #36 
  - Umm. Eleanor Roosevelt, coauthored the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,  denem   May-25-09 12:26 PM   #7 
  - Helped get Jews out of Europe, fought for equality of women and blacks -  Captain Hilts   May-25-09 11:04 PM   #32 
  - like dumping a bleeding bovine carcass in shark infested waters, the Clinton haters are coming!  demhistorian   May-25-09 12:49 PM   #11 
  - actually, it was a bleeding Anchovy!  Silence Dogood   May-25-09 02:21 PM   #23 
  - I don't agree with the first ranking at all. I agree with the Sienna College research one. n/t  vaberella   May-25-09 01:21 PM   #15 
  - Eleanor Roosevelt sets the standard  Kaleva   May-25-09 01:25 PM   #16 
  - Id put Eleanor 1, Abigail 2, and HRC 3.  MadBadger   May-25-09 02:14 PM   #19 
  - I'd place Lady Bird higher  Radical Activist   May-25-09 02:21 PM   #21 
  - Me too. nt  Captain Hilts   May-25-09 11:07 PM   #34 
  - If this is a most effective first ladies poll then Eleanor should win hands down.  book_worm   May-25-09 02:21 PM   #22 
  - Jackie Kennedy would be way up there on my list  goclark   May-25-09 03:05 PM   #24 
  - A list that includes Babs and does not include Jackie is suspect to me  AwakeAtLast   May-25-09 08:40 PM   #26 
  - This poll is way off the mark IMO nt  goclark   May-25-09 08:55 PM   #28 
  - She really disliked being first lady, dodged a lot of events and they'd call in Ethel K  Captain Hilts   May-25-09 11:08 PM   #35 
     - If Barbara Bush could be # 8, Jackie Kennedy  goclark   May-26-09 09:13 AM   #41 
        - Indeed! BB's Claim to Fame is being Not Nancy. nt  Captain Hilts   May-26-09 09:19 AM   #42 
  - It's too 20th Cent. heavy. Sarah Polk?!?! Eleanor is tops. Then Madison or Adams. nt  Captain Hilts   May-25-09 11:03 PM   #30 
  - There have been some great first ladies,  Beacool   May-25-09 11:03 PM   #31 
  - Being 'accomplished' and being 'great' are different standards. Ideally, they overlap...  Captain Hilts   May-26-09 09:03 AM   #38 
     - True.  Beacool   May-26-09 09:08 AM   #40 
  - I encourage folks to click on the Siena College link and read the six page release that ranks them  Captain Hilts   May-26-09 12:18 PM   #44 
 

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