ima_sinnic
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Sun May-24-09 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #97 |
| 104. gee, how do people ever get busted for conspiracy and brought to trial? |
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the people on both ends of the line are engaging in conspiracy to commit a crime. Isn't that punishable by law even if the crime hasn't been committed yet? I am asking sincerely because I don't know. How could those latest 4 "terrorists" that the FBI "foiled" have been apprehended? They did not actually DO anything, yet they were somehow CHARGED with something and ARRESTED. How could that be? Why is that "different" from these hypothetical total-USA-destroying "terrorists" you're talking about?
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| -All this outrage over the "prolonged detention" policy is premature and ignores what HAS changed. |
phleshdef |
May-23-09 03:57 PM |
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Rec'd...thanks for your post. It's a mess and I'm glad he's working |
firedupdem |
May-23-09 04:06 PM |
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I agree with the primise of you OP, I wish I had a solution to this problem. |
ZombieHorde |
May-23-09 04:07 PM |
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Get your outrage in early |
Uzybone |
May-23-09 04:12 PM |
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You first. n/t |
5X |
May-23-09 04:13 PM |
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Adults Only! |
NYC_SKP |
May-23-09 04:27 PM |
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Well said. nt |
quiet.american |
May-23-09 05:25 PM |
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The outrage proves the adage that nothing is impossible to those who do not have to do it. |
ClarkUSA |
May-23-09 05:28 PM |
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Rubbish. Please find a human rights or constitutional scholar |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 01:14 AM |
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Constitutional scholar: John Yoo |
Autonomy |
May-24-09 02:19 PM |
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LOL! You're right about Yoo. But the specious privileging of |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 02:31 PM |
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"These people would kill you and your entire family just because you are American" |
rug |
May-23-09 05:47 PM |
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Thanks for thinking this |
Cha |
May-23-09 05:54 PM |
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"no one knows the details of how this is going to be carried out" |
mzmolly |
May-23-09 08:17 PM |
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oh stop it! |
EquallyExhausted |
May-23-09 09:18 PM |
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that's supposed to include snark tags |
EquallyExhausted |
May-23-09 09:20 PM |
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That's what I've been thinking...... |
FrenchieCat |
May-23-09 11:23 PM |
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Too bad Rachel Maddow can't see it that way... |
jenmito |
May-23-09 11:39 PM |
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The mess that Bush left is horrible but Obama is responsible for his own positions. |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 12:37 AM |
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The other Dems need to have the light shown on them for their NIMBY bullshit also. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
May-24-09 01:33 AM |
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Absolutely. Our crazy uncles in the Senate and the weenies in the House |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 01:41 AM |
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God, I am so sick of the total turn around....... |
springhill |
May-24-09 02:33 AM |
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I always wanted to be the 24th person to recommend a thread! |
jenmito |
May-23-09 11:36 PM |
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We Should Call This What It Really Is -- Paranoid Detention |
Senator |
May-23-09 11:40 PM |
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How do you know for sure what the threat is? |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:02 PM |
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No one knows "for sure" ... |
Senator |
May-24-09 09:38 PM |
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Thank you for your thoughtful OP. |
Brigid |
May-24-09 12:11 AM |
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The administration presented an idea that is incompatible with the rule of law |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 12:36 AM |
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Bingo what EFerrari said |
Vincardog |
May-24-09 12:42 AM |
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You have no idea how this would be put into practice so you have no idea what its in line with. |
phleshdef |
May-24-09 06:03 AM |
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What difference does it make? |
Raineyb |
May-24-09 10:58 AM |
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Nope, the other guy's assumptions are better |
DireStrike |
May-24-09 11:12 AM |
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Why would you need details to know that holding someone without charging them |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 01:25 PM |
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Habeas corpus was so last century. Only the choir sings this is ok. nt |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 10:36 AM |
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The house band is a little off key |
Moochy |
May-24-09 12:14 PM |
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"To some degree it matters who's in office"......... |
flyarm |
May-24-09 12:50 AM |
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I don't see what's so complicated here. |
Usrename |
May-24-09 01:30 AM |
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Here here! |
grahamhgreen |
May-24-09 09:30 AM |
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Basic human rights aren't in style when the President says so. nt |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 10:38 AM |
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Presumption of innocence doesn't apply to external threats |
geek tragedy |
May-24-09 11:01 AM |
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Considering he is a human being, the Constitution does |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 11:21 AM |
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If he is considered a person... |
Usrename |
May-25-09 09:57 AM |
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It's not that clear because this resembles a war |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:06 PM |
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I guess they are a separate sub-species of non-humans. |
Usrename |
May-25-09 09:52 AM |
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Thank you for the thoughtful OP nt |
Adelante |
May-24-09 07:51 AM |
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Most of the people detained have been innocent. Your logic is tortured. |
grahamhgreen |
May-24-09 09:27 AM |
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He's attacking habeus corpus and our constitution - you know, the costitution he swore to defend, |
grahamhgreen |
May-24-09 09:40 AM |
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Right on, and I am sure he can find some lawyers to defend his position |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 10:44 AM |
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First you have to have EVIDENCE, most of these people are guilty because? |
HillbillyBob |
May-24-09 09:57 AM |
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If there were real evidence they could be tried. |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 01:32 PM |
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Don't pretend to know us. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 10:06 AM |
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May-24-09 11:01 AM |
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It's unconstitutional pure and simple. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 11:13 AM |
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Geek hasn't read the Constitution. nt |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 11:22 AM |
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I'm all for people reading it and highly recommend it. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 11:41 AM |
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The problem is you only think you understand |
geek tragedy |
May-24-09 12:18 PM |
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The problem is without evidence, one tends to play god. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 01:43 PM |
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I apologize for my directness. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 02:12 PM |
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We all know what the Constitution doesn't say. |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 04:32 PM |
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It entitles them to a fair trial and theright to challenge their detention in court, this is what |
grahamhgreen |
May-24-09 07:24 PM |
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The right to challenge their detention, yes. |
geek tragedy |
May-25-09 09:29 AM |
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Congress has the power to declare war |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:12 PM |
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I see no reason to abandon our laws because a war is declared. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 03:28 PM |
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The SCOTUS has ruled that the government has to provide |
geek tragedy |
May-25-09 09:35 AM |
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Yes, you are. |
Forkboy |
May-24-09 11:43 AM |
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The outrage is not "premature." |
noamnety |
May-24-09 10:26 AM |
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MOST detainees will in fact be tried so the ones that are innocent will likely be let go. |
phleshdef |
May-24-09 10:59 AM |
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"known terrorists" can't be tried like anybody else? |
ima_sinnic |
May-24-09 11:18 AM |
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It's possible to be certain and unable to hold a trial |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:17 PM |
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how convenient, that the informant "can't be revealed" |
ima_sinnic |
May-24-09 03:29 PM |
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I also said confirmed by a listening device |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:49 PM |
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gee, how do people ever get busted for conspiracy and brought to trial? |
ima_sinnic |
May-24-09 05:34 PM |
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The stakes |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 07:39 PM |
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you mean like the 10 year old and 14 & 15 year old boys sent to Gitmo by Bush?????? |
flyarm |
May-24-09 12:23 PM |
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Excessive overreacting, throwing out silly scenarious and using a billion ??? characters... |
phleshdef |
May-26-09 09:07 AM |
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I can't believe so many people support this. |
DireStrike |
May-24-09 11:00 AM |
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Belonging to an organization dedicated to killing Americans |
geek tragedy |
May-24-09 11:02 AM |
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Do they actually get little Al Qaeda membership cards now? |
noamnety |
May-24-09 11:04 AM |
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They train at AQ camps, they swear allegiance, same |
geek tragedy |
May-24-09 12:15 PM |
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How do you know they trained at AQ camps or swore allegiance? |
Bjorn Against |
May-24-09 12:38 PM |
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Federal courts will be the judge of that. |
geek tragedy |
May-25-09 09:34 AM |
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If they were all getting trials in federal court we wouldn't be debating this. |
Bjorn Against |
May-25-09 10:41 AM |
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AQ members aren't entitled to trials. |
geek tragedy |
May-25-09 11:45 AM |
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First, there isn't any evidence of that with the vast majority of these people. |
noamnety |
May-24-09 01:34 PM |
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excellent analogy! I will have to use that in these threads |
ima_sinnic |
May-24-09 06:32 PM |
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If they belong to an enemy organization like AQ, that |
geek tragedy |
May-25-09 09:32 AM |
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The Constitution is stronger than your demonstrated fears. nt |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 11:07 AM |
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And you don't see the potential for abuse made possible by that framework? |
DireStrike |
May-24-09 11:08 AM |
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May-24-09 12:13 PM |
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May-24-09 12:19 PM |
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That is not what the previous poster said. |
Bjorn Against |
May-24-09 12:39 PM |
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ooohhhh, hide under the bed!!! oh, I AM SO AFWAID!!! |
ima_sinnic |
May-24-09 11:23 AM |
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May-24-09 11:44 AM |
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May-24-09 11:59 AM |
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The far left like Pat Tillman? |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 01:55 PM |
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This is DU |
Moochy |
May-24-09 12:15 PM |
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Do you really think Obama is further from the American mainstream |
geek tragedy |
May-24-09 12:16 PM |
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I have NEVER seen a "free the terrorists" post from a non-low-post troll poster |
LostinVA |
May-24-09 12:19 PM |
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Nah... |
Mythsaje |
May-24-09 12:34 PM |
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LOL |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 01:52 PM |
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Yes, the opposition are Marxists. |
Mythsaje |
May-24-09 12:35 PM |
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Have to disagree strongly. No more indefinite detentions! |
jonestonesusa |
May-24-09 12:31 PM |
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"President Obama Announces Tribunal Changes That Bring Them In Line With The Rule Of Law" |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 03:35 PM |
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I totally disagree. Either we are a nation of laws or we are not. In the |
MasonJar |
May-24-09 12:36 PM |
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Bullshit...... |
Tangerine LaBamba |
May-24-09 12:41 PM |
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CO-SIGN |
DerekJ |
May-24-09 03:55 PM |
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Ah, the "These are evil bad terrible terrorist evil dudes" defense. Where have I heard that before? |
dorkulon |
May-24-09 12:57 PM |
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Unlimited imprisonment without due process is a violation of the Constitution. Period. |
Better Believe It |
May-24-09 01:39 PM |
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Who said "unlimited imprisonment" but you? Pres. Obama restored due process for detainees. |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 03:27 PM |
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With all due respect, Obama doesn't make law. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 03:55 PM |
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I never said he could "make law"; however these immediate rule changes were made by executive order. |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 04:08 PM |
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I have one big problem with giving the DOJ and Congress any more time. |
mmonk |
May-25-09 09:09 AM |
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lol "terrorist scum". Maybe most people who are arrested are criminal scum |
LittleBlue |
May-24-09 02:09 PM |
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How Long? How Long Has This Been Going On??? IT IS NOW TIME |
ChiciB1 |
May-24-09 02:11 PM |
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the utter vacuousness of your argument is made plain by the use of the word "scum" |
bread_and_roses |
May-24-09 02:39 PM |
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I agree with you. Now, in the meantime, |
Enthusiast |
May-24-09 03:15 PM |
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K & R |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:22 PM |
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I asked my self, would a president voluntarily restrict his executive powers?! |
DerekJ |
May-24-09 03:59 PM |
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To make excuses to keep human beings locked up indefinitely is just wrong... |
winyanstaz |
May-24-09 04:07 PM |
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Let's Not Criticize Obama! |
placton |
May-24-09 05:20 PM |
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Ah, I was waiting for someone to trot out that ol' red herring again. Epic fail... |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 06:05 PM |
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Who said that? |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 07:53 PM |
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dangerous precedent |
thread-bear |
May-25-09 10:26 AM |
#118 |
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