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| 103. Let's Not Criticize Obama! |
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He is ALWAYS RIGHT!! OMG!! The guy is just amazing - another Churchill!! Another Kennedy! All Hail Obama!! Such a pretty family too!! He has to break promises to keep promises - don't you see it?
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| -All this outrage over the "prolonged detention" policy is premature and ignores what HAS changed. |
phleshdef |
May-23-09 03:57 PM |
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Rec'd...thanks for your post. It's a mess and I'm glad he's working |
firedupdem |
May-23-09 04:06 PM |
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I agree with the primise of you OP, I wish I had a solution to this problem. |
ZombieHorde |
May-23-09 04:07 PM |
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Get your outrage in early |
Uzybone |
May-23-09 04:12 PM |
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You first. n/t |
5X |
May-23-09 04:13 PM |
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Adults Only! |
NYC_SKP |
May-23-09 04:27 PM |
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Well said. nt |
quiet.american |
May-23-09 05:25 PM |
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The outrage proves the adage that nothing is impossible to those who do not have to do it. |
ClarkUSA |
May-23-09 05:28 PM |
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Rubbish. Please find a human rights or constitutional scholar |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 01:14 AM |
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Constitutional scholar: John Yoo |
Autonomy |
May-24-09 02:19 PM |
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LOL! You're right about Yoo. But the specious privileging of |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 02:31 PM |
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"These people would kill you and your entire family just because you are American" |
rug |
May-23-09 05:47 PM |
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Thanks for thinking this |
Cha |
May-23-09 05:54 PM |
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"no one knows the details of how this is going to be carried out" |
mzmolly |
May-23-09 08:17 PM |
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oh stop it! |
EquallyExhausted |
May-23-09 09:18 PM |
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that's supposed to include snark tags |
EquallyExhausted |
May-23-09 09:20 PM |
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That's what I've been thinking...... |
FrenchieCat |
May-23-09 11:23 PM |
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Too bad Rachel Maddow can't see it that way... |
jenmito |
May-23-09 11:39 PM |
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The mess that Bush left is horrible but Obama is responsible for his own positions. |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 12:37 AM |
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The other Dems need to have the light shown on them for their NIMBY bullshit also. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
May-24-09 01:33 AM |
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Absolutely. Our crazy uncles in the Senate and the weenies in the House |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 01:41 AM |
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God, I am so sick of the total turn around....... |
springhill |
May-24-09 02:33 AM |
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I always wanted to be the 24th person to recommend a thread! |
jenmito |
May-23-09 11:36 PM |
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We Should Call This What It Really Is -- Paranoid Detention |
Senator |
May-23-09 11:40 PM |
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How do you know for sure what the threat is? |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:02 PM |
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No one knows "for sure" ... |
Senator |
May-24-09 09:38 PM |
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Thank you for your thoughtful OP. |
Brigid |
May-24-09 12:11 AM |
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The administration presented an idea that is incompatible with the rule of law |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 12:36 AM |
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Bingo what EFerrari said |
Vincardog |
May-24-09 12:42 AM |
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You have no idea how this would be put into practice so you have no idea what its in line with. |
phleshdef |
May-24-09 06:03 AM |
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What difference does it make? |
Raineyb |
May-24-09 10:58 AM |
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Nope, the other guy's assumptions are better |
DireStrike |
May-24-09 11:12 AM |
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Why would you need details to know that holding someone without charging them |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 01:25 PM |
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Habeas corpus was so last century. Only the choir sings this is ok. nt |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 10:36 AM |
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The house band is a little off key |
Moochy |
May-24-09 12:14 PM |
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"To some degree it matters who's in office"......... |
flyarm |
May-24-09 12:50 AM |
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I don't see what's so complicated here. |
Usrename |
May-24-09 01:30 AM |
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Here here! |
grahamhgreen |
May-24-09 09:30 AM |
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Basic human rights aren't in style when the President says so. nt |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 10:38 AM |
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Presumption of innocence doesn't apply to external threats |
geek tragedy |
May-24-09 11:01 AM |
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Considering he is a human being, the Constitution does |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 11:21 AM |
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If he is considered a person... |
Usrename |
May-25-09 09:57 AM |
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It's not that clear because this resembles a war |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:06 PM |
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I guess they are a separate sub-species of non-humans. |
Usrename |
May-25-09 09:52 AM |
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Thank you for the thoughtful OP nt |
Adelante |
May-24-09 07:51 AM |
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Most of the people detained have been innocent. Your logic is tortured. |
grahamhgreen |
May-24-09 09:27 AM |
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He's attacking habeus corpus and our constitution - you know, the costitution he swore to defend, |
grahamhgreen |
May-24-09 09:40 AM |
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Right on, and I am sure he can find some lawyers to defend his position |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 10:44 AM |
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First you have to have EVIDENCE, most of these people are guilty because? |
HillbillyBob |
May-24-09 09:57 AM |
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If there were real evidence they could be tried. |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 01:32 PM |
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Don't pretend to know us. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 10:06 AM |
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May-24-09 11:01 AM |
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It's unconstitutional pure and simple. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 11:13 AM |
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Geek hasn't read the Constitution. nt |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 11:22 AM |
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I'm all for people reading it and highly recommend it. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 11:41 AM |
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The problem is you only think you understand |
geek tragedy |
May-24-09 12:18 PM |
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The problem is without evidence, one tends to play god. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 01:43 PM |
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I apologize for my directness. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 02:12 PM |
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We all know what the Constitution doesn't say. |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 04:32 PM |
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It entitles them to a fair trial and theright to challenge their detention in court, this is what |
grahamhgreen |
May-24-09 07:24 PM |
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The right to challenge their detention, yes. |
geek tragedy |
May-25-09 09:29 AM |
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Congress has the power to declare war |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:12 PM |
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I see no reason to abandon our laws because a war is declared. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 03:28 PM |
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The SCOTUS has ruled that the government has to provide |
geek tragedy |
May-25-09 09:35 AM |
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Yes, you are. |
Forkboy |
May-24-09 11:43 AM |
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The outrage is not "premature." |
noamnety |
May-24-09 10:26 AM |
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MOST detainees will in fact be tried so the ones that are innocent will likely be let go. |
phleshdef |
May-24-09 10:59 AM |
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"known terrorists" can't be tried like anybody else? |
ima_sinnic |
May-24-09 11:18 AM |
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It's possible to be certain and unable to hold a trial |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:17 PM |
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how convenient, that the informant "can't be revealed" |
ima_sinnic |
May-24-09 03:29 PM |
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I also said confirmed by a listening device |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:49 PM |
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gee, how do people ever get busted for conspiracy and brought to trial? |
ima_sinnic |
May-24-09 05:34 PM |
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The stakes |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 07:39 PM |
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you mean like the 10 year old and 14 & 15 year old boys sent to Gitmo by Bush?????? |
flyarm |
May-24-09 12:23 PM |
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Excessive overreacting, throwing out silly scenarious and using a billion ??? characters... |
phleshdef |
May-26-09 09:07 AM |
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I can't believe so many people support this. |
DireStrike |
May-24-09 11:00 AM |
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Belonging to an organization dedicated to killing Americans |
geek tragedy |
May-24-09 11:02 AM |
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Do they actually get little Al Qaeda membership cards now? |
noamnety |
May-24-09 11:04 AM |
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They train at AQ camps, they swear allegiance, same |
geek tragedy |
May-24-09 12:15 PM |
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How do you know they trained at AQ camps or swore allegiance? |
Bjorn Against |
May-24-09 12:38 PM |
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Federal courts will be the judge of that. |
geek tragedy |
May-25-09 09:34 AM |
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If they were all getting trials in federal court we wouldn't be debating this. |
Bjorn Against |
May-25-09 10:41 AM |
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AQ members aren't entitled to trials. |
geek tragedy |
May-25-09 11:45 AM |
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First, there isn't any evidence of that with the vast majority of these people. |
noamnety |
May-24-09 01:34 PM |
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excellent analogy! I will have to use that in these threads |
ima_sinnic |
May-24-09 06:32 PM |
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If they belong to an enemy organization like AQ, that |
geek tragedy |
May-25-09 09:32 AM |
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The Constitution is stronger than your demonstrated fears. nt |
Mithreal |
May-24-09 11:07 AM |
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And you don't see the potential for abuse made possible by that framework? |
DireStrike |
May-24-09 11:08 AM |
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May-24-09 12:13 PM |
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May-24-09 12:19 PM |
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That is not what the previous poster said. |
Bjorn Against |
May-24-09 12:39 PM |
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ooohhhh, hide under the bed!!! oh, I AM SO AFWAID!!! |
ima_sinnic |
May-24-09 11:23 AM |
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May-24-09 11:44 AM |
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May-24-09 11:59 AM |
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The far left like Pat Tillman? |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 01:55 PM |
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This is DU |
Moochy |
May-24-09 12:15 PM |
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Do you really think Obama is further from the American mainstream |
geek tragedy |
May-24-09 12:16 PM |
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I have NEVER seen a "free the terrorists" post from a non-low-post troll poster |
LostinVA |
May-24-09 12:19 PM |
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Nah... |
Mythsaje |
May-24-09 12:34 PM |
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LOL |
EFerrari |
May-24-09 01:52 PM |
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Yes, the opposition are Marxists. |
Mythsaje |
May-24-09 12:35 PM |
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Have to disagree strongly. No more indefinite detentions! |
jonestonesusa |
May-24-09 12:31 PM |
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"President Obama Announces Tribunal Changes That Bring Them In Line With The Rule Of Law" |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 03:35 PM |
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I totally disagree. Either we are a nation of laws or we are not. In the |
MasonJar |
May-24-09 12:36 PM |
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Bullshit...... |
Tangerine LaBamba |
May-24-09 12:41 PM |
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CO-SIGN |
DerekJ |
May-24-09 03:55 PM |
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Ah, the "These are evil bad terrible terrorist evil dudes" defense. Where have I heard that before? |
dorkulon |
May-24-09 12:57 PM |
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Unlimited imprisonment without due process is a violation of the Constitution. Period. |
Better Believe It |
May-24-09 01:39 PM |
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Who said "unlimited imprisonment" but you? Pres. Obama restored due process for detainees. |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 03:27 PM |
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With all due respect, Obama doesn't make law. |
mmonk |
May-24-09 03:55 PM |
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I never said he could "make law"; however these immediate rule changes were made by executive order. |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 04:08 PM |
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I have one big problem with giving the DOJ and Congress any more time. |
mmonk |
May-25-09 09:09 AM |
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lol "terrorist scum". Maybe most people who are arrested are criminal scum |
LittleBlue |
May-24-09 02:09 PM |
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How Long? How Long Has This Been Going On??? IT IS NOW TIME |
ChiciB1 |
May-24-09 02:11 PM |
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the utter vacuousness of your argument is made plain by the use of the word "scum" |
bread_and_roses |
May-24-09 02:39 PM |
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I agree with you. Now, in the meantime, |
Enthusiast |
May-24-09 03:15 PM |
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K & R |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 03:22 PM |
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I asked my self, would a president voluntarily restrict his executive powers?! |
DerekJ |
May-24-09 03:59 PM |
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To make excuses to keep human beings locked up indefinitely is just wrong... |
winyanstaz |
May-24-09 04:07 PM |
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Let's Not Criticize Obama! |
placton |
May-24-09 05:20 PM |
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Ah, I was waiting for someone to trot out that ol' red herring again. Epic fail... |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 06:05 PM |
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Who said that? |
creeksneakers2 |
May-24-09 07:53 PM |
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dangerous precedent |
thread-bear |
May-25-09 10:26 AM |
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