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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-22-09 02:22 PM
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  -This is what President Obama proposes to do with Gitmo detainees NJmaverick  May-22-09 01:44 PM   #0 
  - You may not get any responses, cause it is a long read.  FrenchieCat   May-22-09 01:48 PM   #1 
  - Yes imagine posting informed views on issues  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:50 PM   #3 
  - And as we well know, some people around here don't like to read.  HopeOverFear   May-22-09 01:54 PM   #5 
  - Obama says he wants to hold people without trial.  Eric J in MN   May-22-09 01:49 PM   #2 
  - Creative editing. like that  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:51 PM   #4 
  - Thanks NJ for this post. Until now all I've seen is short blurbs & bites &  Voice for Peace   May-22-09 02:16 PM   #13 
  - You're welcome  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:22 PM   #15 
  - Why don't you explain  Luminous Animal   May-22-09 03:32 PM   #53 
  - You, like Rachel Maddow and others, are cherry-picking parts that make him look like Bush...  jenmito   May-22-09 02:05 PM   #10 
     - There are a few reasons, usually it involves a personal agenda  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:09 PM   #11 
     - I agree. And I notice the posters don't come back to respond when the facts are presented to them.  jenmito   May-22-09 02:13 PM   #12 
     - They cannot be in line with the rule of law  Luminous Animal   May-22-09 03:36 PM   #54 
  - Until the plan is actually in place  atreides1   May-22-09 01:57 PM   #6 
  - I don't have a problem with people that want to reserve judgment  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:58 PM   #7 
  - I have read it  zipplewrath   May-22-09 02:03 PM   #8 
  - We have done the same thing with prisoners of every other war we faught  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:04 PM   # 
  - There have always been and will always be  Luminous Animal   May-22-09 03:41 PM   #56 
  - We have done the same thing with prisoners of every other war we faught  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:04 PM   #9 
     - This ain't Hogan's Heros  zipplewrath   May-22-09 03:04 PM   #29 
     - As Obama has said there are prisoners that have no problem  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:12 PM   #33 
        - So, a person can receive a life sentence  Luminous Animal   May-22-09 03:43 PM   #57 
     - We'll just hold them until terrorism is over then?  billyoc   May-23-09 09:51 AM   #76 
  - What do you do with people who pose a threat but have not committed a crime?  ellacott   May-22-09 02:19 PM   #14 
  - what constitutes "posing a threat"? who gets to decide?  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 02:41 PM   #16 
  - Obama made it clear that no one person would decide  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:47 PM   #17 
  - what is wrong with our existing laws? why can't the person be charged on the basis of EVIDENCE?  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 02:49 PM   #19 
     - What do you do with people  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:51 PM   #21 
        - I guess you can't charge them with anything, can you?  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 03:03 PM   #28 
           - OK you let some of those people go  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:09 PM   #31 
              - well, then, round up everybody who talks shit, because people DO walk all the time  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 03:14 PM   #36 
              - He didn't do the round up and these people are in custody  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:16 PM   #38 
                 - he can examine the EVIDENCE against them and apply the existing LAWS  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 03:23 PM   #46 
                    - He isn't talking about a lack of evidence  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:29 PM   #52 
                       - Give me a scenerio.  Luminous Animal   May-22-09 03:45 PM   #58 
              - Last I checked we the idea of prison was for people who actually committed crimes.  Raineyb   May-22-09 03:17 PM   #39 
                 - We have kept POWs in prisons plenty of times  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:18 PM   #41 
                    - As this is not a war nor have we bothered to behave as though they are in fact POW's  Raineyb   May-22-09 03:22 PM   #45 
                       - but this is a war. We have an organization that actively working  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:26 PM   #49 
                       - There is a war in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Luminous Animal   May-22-09 03:53 PM   #62 
                       - I think the solution is to declare them to be POWs.  hugo_from_TN   May-22-09 04:37 PM   #63 
  - In his speech he gave these examples  ellacott   May-22-09 02:52 PM   #23 
  - if there is no evidence that they are engaging in illegal activity, yes  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 03:06 PM   #30 
  - We captured and detained people in other wars  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:18 PM   #40 
  - So let them go  ellacott   May-22-09 03:23 PM   #47 
     - Easy for you to say, you wouldn't bear the burden or responsibility  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:27 PM   #51 
        - I'm on your side  ellacott   May-22-09 03:49 PM   #60 
        - By that logic  skepticscott   May-23-09 07:03 AM   #71 
  - 2 of those are "thought crimes"  Luminous Animal   May-22-09 07:08 PM   #65 
  - Yes.  billyoc   May-23-09 09:20 AM   #74 
  - if someone is "posing a threat," why don't the rules of evidence apply?  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 02:48 PM   #18 
     - If you read the whole thing you'd see it would NOT be "only because he says so."  jenmito   May-22-09 02:51 PM   #20 
     - I heard the speech and have read it. He did not explain why anybody  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 02:53 PM   #24 
     - What law do you convict a foreign national who is plotting an attack on the US?  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:14 PM   #34 
        - you mean, no evidence exists whatsoever that can be presented in a court of law?  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 03:19 PM   #42 
           - Like soldiers engaged in war  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:21 PM   #44 
     - That's pretty much it. So many people seem unwilling to  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:54 PM   #25 
     - You flatter yourself if you think your agreement with Obama is because you engage in  Raineyb   May-22-09 03:19 PM   #43 
        - Well I guess if you can't follow his complex views  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:23 PM   #48 
           - I follow him perfectly. I just happen to think he's wrong.  Raineyb   May-22-09 03:53 PM   #61 
     - Oh, yes...the president promises  skepticscott   May-23-09 07:10 AM   #72 
     - It seems pretty clear that Obama will have judicial review  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:52 PM   #22 
     - there is no need for this new, separate, detention for "threat"  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 02:56 PM   #26 
     - You said that he claimed he could detain people just because he said so.  jenmito   May-22-09 03:45 PM   #59 
     - No, the only thing that's clear  skepticscott   May-23-09 07:14 AM   #73 
     - because the evidence is tainted by having been got by torture...  annabanana   May-22-09 08:12 PM   #68 
  - I don't agree with tribunals for multiple reasons  mvd   May-22-09 03:01 PM   #27 
  - You're welcome. You know I think we all have to get use to having an intelligent  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:11 PM   #32 
  - The military lawyers who opposed the tribunals say not enough has been done to make them fair.  Captain Hilts   May-22-09 03:14 PM   #35 
     - Obama did mention either else where in the speech  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:15 PM   #37 
     - As I said, I oppose the trubunals/indefinite holding, but...  mvd   May-22-09 03:26 PM   #50 
        - I agree we need to keep our options open on how to handle these folks.  Captain Hilts   May-22-09 03:38 PM   #55 
        - It isn't a regular war because it isn't a war.  billyoc   May-23-09 09:50 AM   #75 
  - Thank you. NT  Clio the Leo   May-22-09 06:19 PM   #64 
  - K&R  Wednesdays   May-22-09 08:02 PM   #66 
  - "those at Guantanamo ".. and those alone. No one else will have  annabanana   May-22-09 08:11 PM   #67 
     - That's what we were told about wiretapping, remember?  EFerrari   May-22-09 10:50 PM   #69 
        - but it wasn't  annabanana   May-23-09 05:54 AM   #70 
           - Except the idea of preventive detention is being floated for  EFerrari   May-23-09 01:41 PM   #77 

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