| 171. Uh, but he wouldn't be tried by his peers. How is that lawful? |
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That's the whole point of the Jury. At least in the military commission there would be other military personal and even if some of them were not trained military they were acting on behalf of a military group.
Secondly, we have no constitutional law in order to try these people. Give me one when you find it. I don't believe the constitution actually talks about foreign enemies caught on foreign land. Hence the reason some were tried in the US versus those stuck at Gitmo in many cases.
All in all, I'd rather go with the military commission because I see nothing that supports a D choice.
However, the president is trying a few of them in the courts if it fits their situation---he's already said as much on national television.
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| -Did the US release captured Nazis during WW 2? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 12:58 PM |
#0 |
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Did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 12:59 PM |
#1 |
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Shhh.. |
Rebubula |
May-22-09 01:07 PM |
#17 |
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Rock on, Bluto |
theblasmo |
May-22-09 01:38 PM |
#61 |
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Well, they were in league with the Germans. When you're on the same side, then it becomes relevant. |
Deja Q |
May-25-09 10:38 AM |
#195 |
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no they did not |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 01:34 PM |
#55 |
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What the fuck are you talking about? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 01:35 PM |
#56 |
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the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 01:37 PM |
#59 |
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Fine, believe those lies, but I know the truth |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 01:38 PM |
#62 |
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excuse me? |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 01:41 PM |
#66 |
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Leave me alone, I'm on a roll |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 01:42 PM |
#68 |
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Is it a Kaiser roll? |
jobycom |
May-22-09 01:45 PM |
#74 |
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We call those "hard rolls" here |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 01:46 PM |
#75 |
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Blutocrat. |
jobycom |
May-22-09 01:46 PM |
#76 |
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I'm gonna play a weepy guitar tune on the stairs... |
LanternWaste |
May-22-09 01:48 PM |
#78 |
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Not that "I gave my love a cherry" shit? |
DailyGrind51 |
May-24-09 09:01 AM |
#184 |
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Errr... of course they did -- who the heck says they didn't?! |
LostinVA |
May-22-09 02:34 PM |
#120 |
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oops, sorry, meant to reply to a different post (delete) |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 03:33 PM |
#142 |
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And then came the UN |
martymar64 |
May-22-09 06:16 PM |
#160 |
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the "Nazis"? don't you mean the Japanese navy? (nt) |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 06:49 PM |
#164 |
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Watch Animal House, please, for all our sakes! It will hurt less than this thread |
csziggy |
May-23-09 12:20 AM |
#170 |
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oh, excuse me, I didn't realize I was supposed to recall a movie I saw 30 yrs ago |
ima_sinnic |
May-23-09 05:46 AM |
#172 |
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Animal House has become an iconic part of American culture |
csziggy |
May-23-09 01:04 PM |
#175 |
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you put Animal House in the same league as The Maltese Falcon, Gone With the Wind, & Shakespeare? |
ima_sinnic |
May-23-09 04:23 PM |
#179 |
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Actually, Shakespeare's comedy is quite low brow |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-24-09 10:30 PM |
#189 |
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1942? |
SOS |
May-23-09 05:01 PM |
#180 |
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Ummmmm ... ah, fuck it ... it would take too long. |
11 Bravo |
May-22-09 02:52 PM |
#127 |
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no way, was that the post before the edit? |
AlCzervik |
May-22-09 01:36 PM |
#58 |
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I guess that "edit" is not going to be made. some people prefer distortion |
ima_sinnic |
May-22-09 01:43 PM |
#69 |
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You just can't face the facts... |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 01:44 PM |
#72 |
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You're killing me here! |
11 Bravo |
May-22-09 02:53 PM |
#129 |
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Yes they do indeed |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:48 PM |
#125 |
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Are you saying the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor? |
HarukaTheTrophyWife |
May-22-09 03:09 PM |
#139 |
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WWII ended. The War on Terror will never end. |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:01 PM |
#2 |
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That would be the terrorist's choice if the war ends or not |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
#5 |
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There is no spokesman for all the world's terrorists. NT |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:04 PM |
#12 |
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There are spokes persons for Al Qaeda |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:15 PM |
#29 |
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So if the US government captures a man in his apartment, |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:27 PM |
#47 |
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You didn't read or listen to Obma's speech, did you? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:33 PM |
#53 |
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Here are the relevant paragraphs. |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:44 PM |
#71 |
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I don't think it's a good idea to edit out the other two paragraphs |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:47 PM |
#77 |
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If someone "received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps" |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:52 PM |
#86 |
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What law would you be prosecuting them under??? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:54 PM |
#89 |
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Laws against "material support" of terrorism were passed in 1994 and 1996 |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 02:04 PM |
#103 |
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That involved Americans and people on US soil |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:11 PM |
#111 |
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Salim Ahmed Hamdan was convicted of material support of terrorism for driving UBL in Afghanistan. |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 02:31 PM |
#119 |
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You want to use a law that is not considered legit? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:45 PM |
#123 |
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Among the choices of what to do with a prisoner who got explosives training from Al Qaeda, |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 03:18 PM |
#140 |
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Uh, but he wouldn't be tried by his peers. How is that lawful? |
vaberella |
May-23-09 01:19 AM |
#171 |
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Ahmed Ghailani, a Tanzanian seized in Pakistan, is going to tried in civilian court. |
Eric J in MN |
May-24-09 01:14 AM |
#182 |
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Unreleaseable and unprocecutable is bullshit |
Raineyb |
May-22-09 01:58 PM |
#94 |
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So the US should have let all their Nazi prisoners go, during the war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:00 PM |
#96 |
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This is not a war. There's been no delcaration of war. |
Raineyb |
May-22-09 02:10 PM |
#108 |
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Please! Please read Obama's speech so you understand |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:16 PM |
#114 |
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NJmaverick |
Diclotican |
May-22-09 02:48 PM |
#126 |
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The point was the US didn't release prisoners who would return to their units |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:58 PM |
#131 |
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NJmaverick |
Diclotican |
May-22-09 03:41 PM |
#143 |
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I believe they lead a very free and easy life in the UK, as farm workers. |
Joe Chi Minh |
May-22-09 05:36 PM |
#157 |
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Actually, he says: |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 01:49 PM |
# |
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No, he starts by saying "detainees at Guantanamo who cannot be prosecuted" |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 01:51 PM |
#83 |
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prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 02:06 PM |
#106 |
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A habeas corpus hearing isn't a trial. |
Eric J in MN |
May-22-09 02:27 PM |
#118 |
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Yes it would, wouldn't it |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:54 PM |
#90 |
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Of course there is! Don't you keep up with the news? |
bullwinkle428 |
May-22-09 03:04 PM |
#138 |
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Which terrorists? |
Fovea |
May-22-09 01:09 PM |
#22 |
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I think we can start with the ones that the detainees belong to |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:20 PM |
#36 |
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Bzzzt. There IS NO WAR ON TERROR. |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 01:42 PM |
#67 |
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Bzzzt, it takes two not to wage war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:57 PM |
#93 |
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I never claimed we would. |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 02:16 PM |
#113 |
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FYI, the Obama administration has officially dropped the BushCo era phrase "war on terror" |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 02:08 PM |
#186 |
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Yes, they went to work for the CIA and the Atomic Program |
RetroLounge |
May-22-09 01:01 PM |
#3 |
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All Germans were not Nazis and most Nazis worked on |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
# |
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GOBAMA! |
RetroLounge |
May-22-09 04:46 PM |
#147 |
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Well, the Nazis were in armed conflict of an established war. |
mmonk |
May-22-09 01:01 PM |
#4 |
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Actual Obama would hold them as enemy prisoners |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:04 PM |
#11 |
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If facts are important, the executive has no rights as to making law |
mmonk |
May-22-09 01:23 PM |
#40 |
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Did you actually read or listen to what the President said yesterday |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:27 PM |
#46 |
| -
How so? |
mmonk |
May-22-09 01:40 PM |
#64 |
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In that what you claim Obama is going to do |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:49 PM |
#80 |
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Here is how I see things |
mmonk |
May-22-09 02:06 PM |
#105 |
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Yet if you go back to my original assertion |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:59 PM |
#132 |
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Because they were being held as prisoners of war |
Thothmes |
May-22-09 06:29 PM |
#161 |
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The soldiers were treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention. |
mmonk |
May-22-09 07:06 PM |
#166 |
| -
Should we have done a sweep of German neighborhoods |
mmonk |
May-22-09 07:17 PM |
#167 |
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There were German POW's in a camp in my hometown in East Texas. |
Jane Austin |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
#6 |
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I've read somewhere that upon Jesse Owen's return from his Olympic |
CatWoman |
May-22-09 01:08 PM |
#21 |
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I actually think that that story was apocryphal -- I need to check |
LostinVA |
May-22-09 02:37 PM |
#122 |
| -
i also heard or read somewhere that a bunch of them settled |
Blue_Tires |
May-25-09 01:15 AM |
#191 |
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Was there a declaration of war? |
Fovea |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
#7 |
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So what you are saying was Japan was not at war with us after |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:05 PM |
#14 |
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What are you saying? |
Fovea |
May-22-09 01:50 PM |
#81 |
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You do realize that after Pearl Harbor there was a declaration of war. |
Raineyb |
May-22-09 02:00 PM |
#97 |
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So all the handwringing is over a procedural technicality in other words. |
wileedog |
May-22-09 05:08 PM |
#153 |
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No, There is no war there's not going to be a delcaration of war |
Raineyb |
May-23-09 12:53 PM |
#173 |
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Members of the Luftwaffe, Wehrmacht, German Navy and Waffen SS |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
#8 |
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Obama proposes the same thing for those prisoners |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:07 PM |
#19 |
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Okay, so they hate us. Is that a crime? |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:11 PM |
#25 |
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No but their terrorist acts on the US |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:17 PM |
#31 |
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and if they have done that, then they deserve a trial. How unAmerican |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:20 PM |
#34 |
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You should spend less time clicking on eye rolling emoticons |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:23 PM |
#38 |
| -
Look in the mirror NJMaverick concerning the eye rolling. |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:32 PM |
#52 |
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I am dealing with a huge number of people |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:36 PM |
#57 |
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so it's okay for you to do it and not me? |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:38 PM |
#63 |
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If you did you would understand the 5 part system that all the detainees fall under |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:45 PM |
#73 |
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I understand fully what Obama is doing and I am concerned about parts |
neverforget |
May-22-09 01:52 PM |
#85 |
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Concerns are fine, misleading assertions about no trials |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:18 PM |
#115 |
| -
Misleading assertions about no trials? From Obama's speech: |
neverforget |
May-22-09 02:26 PM |
#117 |
| -
ahh the selective editing. I have seen that quite a bit here at DU |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:36 PM |
#121 |
| -
And it is quite obvious you have a reading comprehension problem |
neverforget |
May-22-09 02:53 PM |
#128 |
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You are extrapolating too much from a limited segment there |
jberryhill |
May-22-09 04:53 PM |
#148 |
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No they did not commit acts of war. They committed CRIMES. |
Caliman73 |
May-22-09 02:01 PM |
#99 |
| -
Al Qaeda pretty much meets the defintion of a political entity |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:20 PM |
#116 |
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I miscommunicated when I said "political entity" |
Caliman73 |
May-22-09 03:28 PM |
#141 |
| -
But they weren't arrested by police |
wileedog |
May-22-09 05:31 PM |
#156 |
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Because if you continue trying to fit the square peg in the round hole, you fail. |
Caliman73 |
May-22-09 11:59 PM |
#169 |
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Many were merely sold into our custody for bounty. |
Raineyb |
May-23-09 12:54 PM |
#174 |
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We've not made any such determination as there's been no trial. n/t |
Raineyb |
May-22-09 02:12 PM |
#112 |
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neverforget |
Diclotican |
May-22-09 03:00 PM |
#133 |
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Good point. Perhaps Obama needs to better address |
mzmolly |
May-22-09 01:02 PM |
#9 |
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He actually did, to some degree in his speech |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:09 PM |
#23 |
| -
Admittedly, I tivo'd the speech |
mzmolly |
May-23-09 03:53 PM |
#177 |
| -
Link to your sources? |
Xipe Totec |
May-22-09 01:04 PM |
#10 |
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Are you serious? Do you understand how wars are waged? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:11 PM |
#24 |
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So, no data then? |
Xipe Totec |
May-22-09 04:43 PM |
#145 |
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Yes, their scientists. We brought them to Los Alamos to work on |
Cleita |
May-22-09 01:05 PM |
#13 |
| -
Not every German was a Nazi |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:12 PM |
#26 |
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They were all Nazis even if only in name to keep their jobs, otherwise they |
Cleita |
May-22-09 01:17 PM |
#32 |
| -
Albert Einstein was not a Nazi |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:19 PM |
#33 |
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Albert Einstein left Germany before the Nazis took over. |
Cleita |
May-22-09 01:31 PM |
#51 |
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After a war, things are distinctly different than while at war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:37 PM |
#60 |
| -
Well, I guess you have your own definition and parameters. n/t |
Cleita |
May-22-09 01:43 PM |
#70 |
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We are at war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:52 PM |
#87 |
| -
No, we are conducting two invasions of countries who have done nothing to |
Cleita |
May-22-09 02:09 PM |
#107 |
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Invading a country is not the same same as being at war with them? |
wileedog |
May-22-09 05:01 PM |
#150 |
| -
Probably semantic but since war can only be declared by Congress, we are |
Cleita |
May-22-09 05:06 PM |
#152 |
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I don't disagree with you completely but |
wileedog |
May-22-09 05:18 PM |
#154 |
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There are also people as personified by Cindy Sheehan who want to |
Cleita |
May-22-09 06:33 PM |
#162 |
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"They were all Nazis" - absolutely false |
SOS |
May-23-09 05:19 PM |
#181 |
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Von Braun was. |
atreides1 |
May-22-09 01:23 PM |
#39 |
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and he didn't work for the US until AFTER the war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:25 PM |
#42 |
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OK that accounts for about 1% of the detainees, what of the rest? |
MNDemNY |
May-22-09 01:06 PM |
#15 |
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Did anyone on DU take the time to listen or read |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:13 PM |
#27 |
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Okay |
atreides1 |
May-22-09 01:29 PM |
#50 |
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Here read his speech |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:34 PM |
#54 |
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That's what RICO statutes are for - |
RaleighNCDUer |
May-22-09 02:00 PM |
#95 |
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That's not what he said - are you being sarcastic? |
jberryhill |
May-22-09 04:59 PM |
#149 |
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No, the US put a lot of them to work on our ICBM program. |
sarge43 |
May-22-09 01:06 PM |
#16 |
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There was no ICBM program during WW 2 |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:14 PM |
#28 |
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No kidding. |
sarge43 |
May-22-09 01:25 PM |
#41 |
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They were held indefinately as there was no scheduled end of the war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:26 PM |
#44 |
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A bounty program for turning in 'terrorists' had folks turning their neighbors in just for the cash. |
Captain Hilts |
May-22-09 01:07 PM |
#18 |
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Did you take the time to listen to Obama's full speech? |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:16 PM |
#30 |
| -
Actually, I read it. In fact, my mother worked for the fellow who was the Army attorney for |
Captain Hilts |
May-22-09 03:03 PM |
#137 |
| -
But without any of the fun. n/t |
Starry Messenger |
May-22-09 11:54 PM |
#168 |
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The Nazis were white and Christian. |
stopbush |
May-22-09 01:07 PM |
#20 |
| -
well, there were the Nazis we used to build our rockets and design our intelligence agencies... |
villager |
May-22-09 01:20 PM |
#35 |
| -
That was after the war |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:21 PM |
#37 |
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and it affected who they chose to prosecute, keep in custody, "let go," etc... |
villager |
May-22-09 01:56 PM |
#91 |
| -
I'm glad someone is looking to US history for insight |
Aloha Spirit |
May-22-09 01:26 PM |
#43 |
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Soldiers are jailed, spies are hung |
AngryAmish |
May-22-09 01:27 PM |
#45 |
| -
Hitler gave an order that all "special services" people were to be executed |
Joe Chi Minh |
May-22-09 05:55 PM |
#158 |
| -
The vast majority of Axis POW's |
LanternWaste |
May-22-09 01:27 PM |
#48 |
| -
That is what Obama proposed in his speech yesterday |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 01:29 PM |
#49 |
| -
Shorter Obama: "I don't know what to do." |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-22-09 01:48 PM |
#79 |
| -
This is the sort of deceptive retelling that has so many people |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 03:01 PM |
#134 |
| -
I'm responding to what you specifically posted |
LanternWaste |
May-22-09 01:50 PM |
#82 |
| -
Anyone responding to Obama and his position |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 03:02 PM |
#136 |
| -
You flunk Godwin's Law in the worst way possible. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-22-09 01:40 PM |
#65 |
| -
Exactly, How do you defeat and end a "war" on an idealogy? |
Hell Hath No Fury |
May-22-09 01:51 PM |
#84 |
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People kill, not idealogy |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:02 PM |
#101 |
| -
I wish i could recommend a response. |
Fovea |
May-22-09 01:54 PM |
#88 |
| -
You clearly understand Godwin's law as well as you understand |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:00 PM |
#98 |
| -
See #79. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
May-22-09 02:03 PM |
#102 |
| -
There is a "war on drugs" too, you know.... |
jberryhill |
May-22-09 01:57 PM |
#92 |
| -
Drugs don't attack this Country or its citizens |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:01 PM |
#100 |
| -
No don't but dealers, gangs, and addicts cause a great deal of destruction. |
Caliman73 |
May-22-09 02:06 PM |
#104 |
| -
so do non-dealers, non-gang member, and non-addicts. n/t |
iamthebandfanman |
May-22-09 02:10 PM |
#109 |
| -
The point being - nobody has ever won a war against a noun /nt |
jberryhill |
May-22-09 04:46 PM |
#146 |
| -
Actually, there's no more "war on drugs" or "war on terror" thanks to the Obama administration. |
ClarkUSA |
May-24-09 02:14 PM |
#187 |
| -
youre right! two wrongs DO make a right! n/t |
iamthebandfanman |
May-22-09 02:11 PM |
#110 |
| -
The US did release captured nazi's during WWII... your point? |
Fearless |
May-22-09 02:48 PM |
#124 |
| -
ahh, no they didn't |
NJmaverick |
May-22-09 02:55 PM |
#130 |
| -
Actually they did. |
Fearless |
May-22-09 07:06 PM |
#165 |
| -
Ugh. I thought DUers hated it when the Bush Crime Family constantly |
bullwinkle428 |
May-22-09 03:02 PM |
#135 |
| -
It's an upside down world on DU |
RetroLounge |
May-22-09 05:59 PM |
#159 |
| -
Does a yes or no answer change whether it was/is the correct thing to do? |
Forkboy |
May-22-09 04:18 PM |
#144 |
| -
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
May-22-09 05:01 PM |
#151 |
| -
I must have missed the declaration of war with each of the governments |
leftofthedial |
May-22-09 05:24 PM |
#155 |
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Me too. n/t |
Cleita |
May-22-09 06:34 PM |
#163 |
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Not only the US released captured Nazi war criminals, we helped them settle on US soil |
IndianaGreen |
May-23-09 01:34 PM |
#176 |
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i believe the german soldiers were POWs. these 'detainees' |
ejpoeta |
May-23-09 04:03 PM |
#178 |
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yes they did. |
MyNameGoesHere |
May-24-09 06:46 AM |
#183 |
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are they "admitted" members of terrorist organizations? |
paulk |
May-24-09 02:01 PM |
#185 |
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War on Terror =/= WW2. It's more like War on Drugs |
LittleBlue |
May-24-09 02:16 PM |
#188 |
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this country isn't fighting a real war |
Rosa Luxemburg |
May-24-09 11:54 PM |
#190 |
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Be sure to tell that to the soldiers being maimed and killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. |
ClarkUSA |
May-25-09 08:29 AM |
#192 |
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well exactly - it is the politicians who play games |
Rosa Luxemburg |
May-26-09 04:43 PM |
#196 |
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They were POWs in a declared war! The war on terror is not a war |
MasonJar |
May-25-09 10:04 AM |
#193 |
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That's why I suggested Obama declare those under "prolonged detention" be declared as POWs. |
backscatter712 |
May-25-09 10:19 AM |
#194 |
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