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Response to Reply #83
106. prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man
Just in case you have problems reading it


That is NOT a 'quick review by a judge', which IS, in truth, a trial in all 50 states and territories of the US - there is NOTHING illegal about a bench trial - but even though it COULD be done that way his own words expressly say that is what he DOESN'T want.

You are not going to make your case by ignoring what Obama said.
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  -Did the US release captured Nazis during WW 2? NJmaverick  May-22-09 12:58 PM   #0 
  - Did the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor?  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-22-09 12:59 PM   #1 
  - Shhh..  Rebubula   May-22-09 01:07 PM   #17 
  - Rock on, Bluto  theblasmo   May-22-09 01:38 PM   #61 
  - Well, they were in league with the Germans. When you're on the same side, then it becomes relevant.  Deja Q   May-25-09 10:38 AM   #195 
  - no they did not  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 01:34 PM   #55 
  - What the fuck are you talking about?  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-22-09 01:35 PM   #56 
  - the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 01:37 PM   #59 
  - Fine, believe those lies, but I know the truth  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-22-09 01:38 PM   #62 
     - excuse me?  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 01:41 PM   #66 
        - Leave me alone, I'm on a roll  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-22-09 01:42 PM   #68 
           - Is it a Kaiser roll?  jobycom   May-22-09 01:45 PM   #74 
           - We call those "hard rolls" here  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-22-09 01:46 PM   #75 
              - Blutocrat.  jobycom   May-22-09 01:46 PM   #76 
           - I'm gonna play a weepy guitar tune on the stairs...  LanternWaste   May-22-09 01:48 PM   #78 
              - Not that "I gave my love a cherry" shit?  DailyGrind51   May-24-09 09:01 AM   #184 
  - Errr... of course they did -- who the heck says they didn't?!  LostinVA   May-22-09 02:34 PM   #120 
     - oops, sorry, meant to reply to a different post (delete)  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 03:33 PM   #142 
     - And then came the UN  martymar64   May-22-09 06:16 PM   #160 
     - the "Nazis"? don't you mean the Japanese navy? (nt)  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 06:49 PM   #164 
     - Watch Animal House, please, for all our sakes! It will hurt less than this thread  csziggy   May-23-09 12:20 AM   #170 
        - oh, excuse me, I didn't realize I was supposed to recall a movie I saw 30 yrs ago  ima_sinnic   May-23-09 05:46 AM   #172 
           - Animal House has become an iconic part of American culture  csziggy   May-23-09 01:04 PM   #175 
              - you put Animal House in the same league as The Maltese Falcon, Gone With the Wind, & Shakespeare?  ima_sinnic   May-23-09 04:23 PM   #179 
                 - Actually, Shakespeare's comedy is quite low brow  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-24-09 10:30 PM   #189 
     - 1942?  SOS   May-23-09 05:01 PM   #180 
  - Ummmmm ... ah, fuck it ... it would take too long.  11 Bravo   May-22-09 02:52 PM   #127 
  - no way, was that the post before the edit?  AlCzervik   May-22-09 01:36 PM   #58 
     - I guess that "edit" is not going to be made. some people prefer distortion  ima_sinnic   May-22-09 01:43 PM   #69 
        - You just can't face the facts...  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-22-09 01:44 PM   #72 
        - You're killing me here!  11 Bravo   May-22-09 02:53 PM   #129 
        - Yes they do indeed  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:48 PM   #125 
           - Are you saying the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor?  HarukaTheTrophyWife   May-22-09 03:09 PM   #139 
  - WWII ended. The War on Terror will never end.  Eric J in MN   May-22-09 01:01 PM   #2 
  - That would be the terrorist's choice if the war ends or not  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:02 PM   #5 
  - There is no spokesman for all the world's terrorists. NT  Eric J in MN   May-22-09 01:04 PM   #12 
  - There are spokes persons for Al Qaeda  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:15 PM   #29 
  - So if the US government captures a man in his apartment,  Eric J in MN   May-22-09 01:27 PM   #47 
     - You didn't read or listen to Obma's speech, did you?  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:33 PM   #53 
        - Here are the relevant paragraphs.  Eric J in MN   May-22-09 01:44 PM   #71 
           - I don't think it's a good idea to edit out the other two paragraphs  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:47 PM   #77 
           - If someone "received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps"  Eric J in MN   May-22-09 01:52 PM   #86 
           - What law would you be prosecuting them under???  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:54 PM   #89 
              - Laws against "material support" of terrorism were passed in 1994 and 1996  Eric J in MN   May-22-09 02:04 PM   #103 
                 - That involved Americans and people on US soil  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:11 PM   #111 
                    - Salim Ahmed Hamdan was convicted of material support of terrorism for driving UBL in Afghanistan.  Eric J in MN   May-22-09 02:31 PM   #119 
                       - You want to use a law that is not considered legit?  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:45 PM   #123 
                          - Among the choices of what to do with a prisoner who got explosives training from Al Qaeda,  Eric J in MN   May-22-09 03:18 PM   #140 
                             - Uh, but he wouldn't be tried by his peers. How is that lawful?  vaberella   May-23-09 01:19 AM   #171 
                                - Ahmed Ghailani, a Tanzanian seized in Pakistan, is going to tried in civilian court.  Eric J in MN   May-24-09 01:14 AM   #182 
           - Unreleaseable and unprocecutable is bullshit  Raineyb   May-22-09 01:58 PM   #94 
              - So the US should have let all their Nazi prisoners go, during the war  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:00 PM   #96 
                 - This is not a war. There's been no delcaration of war.  Raineyb   May-22-09 02:10 PM   #108 
                 - Please! Please read Obama's speech so you understand  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:16 PM   #114 
                 - NJmaverick  Diclotican   May-22-09 02:48 PM   #126 
                 - The point was the US didn't release prisoners who would return to their units  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:58 PM   #131 
                    - NJmaverick  Diclotican   May-22-09 03:41 PM   #143 
                 - I believe they lead a very free and easy life in the UK, as farm workers.  Joe Chi Minh   May-22-09 05:36 PM   #157 
           - Actually, he says:  RaleighNCDUer   May-22-09 01:49 PM   # 
              - No, he starts by saying "detainees at Guantanamo who cannot be prosecuted"  Eric J in MN   May-22-09 01:51 PM   #83 
              - prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man  RaleighNCDUer   May-22-09 02:06 PM   #106 
                 - A habeas corpus hearing isn't a trial.  Eric J in MN   May-22-09 02:27 PM   #118 
              - Yes it would, wouldn't it  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:54 PM   #90 
  - Of course there is! Don't you keep up with the news?  bullwinkle428   May-22-09 03:04 PM   #138 
  - Which terrorists?  Fovea   May-22-09 01:09 PM   #22 
     - I think we can start with the ones that the detainees belong to  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:20 PM   #36 
  - Bzzzt. There IS NO WAR ON TERROR.  RaleighNCDUer   May-22-09 01:42 PM   #67 
  - Bzzzt, it takes two not to wage war  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:57 PM   #93 
     - I never claimed we would.  RaleighNCDUer   May-22-09 02:16 PM   #113 
  - FYI, the Obama administration has officially dropped the BushCo era phrase "war on terror"  ClarkUSA   May-24-09 02:08 PM   #186 
  - Yes, they went to work for the CIA and the Atomic Program  RetroLounge   May-22-09 01:01 PM   #3 
  - All Germans were not Nazis and most Nazis worked on  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:02 PM   # 
     - GOBAMA!  RetroLounge   May-22-09 04:46 PM   #147 
  - Well, the Nazis were in armed conflict of an established war.  mmonk   May-22-09 01:01 PM   #4 
  - Actual Obama would hold them as enemy prisoners  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:04 PM   #11 
     - If facts are important, the executive has no rights as to making law  mmonk   May-22-09 01:23 PM   #40 
        - Did you actually read or listen to what the President said yesterday  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:27 PM   #46 
           - How so?  mmonk   May-22-09 01:40 PM   #64 
              - In that what you claim Obama is going to do  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:49 PM   #80 
                 - Here is how I see things  mmonk   May-22-09 02:06 PM   #105 
                    - Yet if you go back to my original assertion  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:59 PM   #132 
                       - Because they were being held as prisoners of war  Thothmes   May-22-09 06:29 PM   #161 
                       - The soldiers were treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention.  mmonk   May-22-09 07:06 PM   #166 
                       - Should we have done a sweep of German neighborhoods  mmonk   May-22-09 07:17 PM   #167 
  - There were German POW's in a camp in my hometown in East Texas.  Jane Austin   May-22-09 01:02 PM   #6 
  - I've read somewhere that upon Jesse Owen's return from his Olympic  CatWoman   May-22-09 01:08 PM   #21 
  - I actually think that that story was apocryphal -- I need to check  LostinVA   May-22-09 02:37 PM   #122 
  - i also heard or read somewhere that a bunch of them settled  Blue_Tires   May-25-09 01:15 AM   #191 
  - Was there a declaration of war?  Fovea   May-22-09 01:02 PM   #7 
  - So what you are saying was Japan was not at war with us after  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:05 PM   #14 
     - What are you saying?  Fovea   May-22-09 01:50 PM   #81 
     - You do realize that after Pearl Harbor there was a declaration of war.  Raineyb   May-22-09 02:00 PM   #97 
        - So all the handwringing is over a procedural technicality in other words.  wileedog   May-22-09 05:08 PM   #153 
           - No, There is no war there's not going to be a delcaration of war  Raineyb   May-23-09 12:53 PM   #173 
  - Members of the Luftwaffe, Wehrmacht, German Navy and Waffen SS  neverforget   May-22-09 01:02 PM   #8 
  - Obama proposes the same thing for those prisoners  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:07 PM   #19 
  - Okay, so they hate us. Is that a crime?  neverforget   May-22-09 01:11 PM   #25 
     - No but their terrorist acts on the US  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:17 PM   #31 
        - and if they have done that, then they deserve a trial. How unAmerican  neverforget   May-22-09 01:20 PM   #34 
        - You should spend less time clicking on eye rolling emoticons  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:23 PM   #38 
           - Look in the mirror NJMaverick concerning the eye rolling.  neverforget   May-22-09 01:32 PM   #52 
           - I am dealing with a huge number of people  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:36 PM   #57 
              - so it's okay for you to do it and not me?  neverforget   May-22-09 01:38 PM   #63 
                 - If you did you would understand the 5 part system that all the detainees fall under  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:45 PM   #73 
                    - I understand fully what Obama is doing and I am concerned about parts  neverforget   May-22-09 01:52 PM   #85 
                       - Concerns are fine, misleading assertions about no trials  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:18 PM   #115 
                          - Misleading assertions about no trials? From Obama's speech:  neverforget   May-22-09 02:26 PM   #117 
                             - ahh the selective editing. I have seen that quite a bit here at DU  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:36 PM   #121 
                             - And it is quite obvious you have a reading comprehension problem  neverforget   May-22-09 02:53 PM   #128 
                             - You are extrapolating too much from a limited segment there  jberryhill   May-22-09 04:53 PM   #148 
           - No they did not commit acts of war. They committed CRIMES.  Caliman73   May-22-09 02:01 PM   #99 
              - Al Qaeda pretty much meets the defintion of a political entity  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:20 PM   #116 
                 - I miscommunicated when I said "political entity"  Caliman73   May-22-09 03:28 PM   #141 
                    - But they weren't arrested by police  wileedog   May-22-09 05:31 PM   #156 
                       - Because if you continue trying to fit the square peg in the round hole, you fail.  Caliman73   May-22-09 11:59 PM   #169 
                       - Many were merely sold into our custody for bounty.  Raineyb   May-23-09 12:54 PM   #174 
        - We've not made any such determination as there's been no trial. n/t  Raineyb   May-22-09 02:12 PM   #112 
  - neverforget  Diclotican   May-22-09 03:00 PM   #133 
  - Good point. Perhaps Obama needs to better address  mzmolly   May-22-09 01:02 PM   #9 
  - He actually did, to some degree in his speech  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:09 PM   #23 
     - Admittedly, I tivo'd the speech  mzmolly   May-23-09 03:53 PM   #177 
  - Link to your sources?  Xipe Totec   May-22-09 01:04 PM   #10 
  - Are you serious? Do you understand how wars are waged?  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:11 PM   #24 
     - So, no data then?  Xipe Totec   May-22-09 04:43 PM   #145 
  - Yes, their scientists. We brought them to Los Alamos to work on  Cleita   May-22-09 01:05 PM   #13 
  - Not every German was a Nazi  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:12 PM   #26 
     - They were all Nazis even if only in name to keep their jobs, otherwise they  Cleita   May-22-09 01:17 PM   #32 
     - Albert Einstein was not a Nazi  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:19 PM   #33 
     - Albert Einstein left Germany before the Nazis took over.  Cleita   May-22-09 01:31 PM   #51 
        - After a war, things are distinctly different than while at war  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:37 PM   #60 
           - Well, I guess you have your own definition and parameters. n/t  Cleita   May-22-09 01:43 PM   #70 
              - We are at war  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:52 PM   #87 
                 - No, we are conducting two invasions of countries who have done nothing to  Cleita   May-22-09 02:09 PM   #107 
                    - Invading a country is not the same same as being at war with them?  wileedog   May-22-09 05:01 PM   #150 
                       - Probably semantic but since war can only be declared by Congress, we are  Cleita   May-22-09 05:06 PM   #152 
                          - I don't disagree with you completely but  wileedog   May-22-09 05:18 PM   #154 
                             - There are also people as personified by Cindy Sheehan who want to  Cleita   May-22-09 06:33 PM   #162 
     - "They were all Nazis" - absolutely false  SOS   May-23-09 05:19 PM   #181 
     - Von Braun was.  atreides1   May-22-09 01:23 PM   #39 
        - and he didn't work for the US until AFTER the war  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:25 PM   #42 
  - OK that accounts for about 1% of the detainees, what of the rest?  MNDemNY   May-22-09 01:06 PM   #15 
  - Did anyone on DU take the time to listen or read  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:13 PM   #27 
     - Okay  atreides1   May-22-09 01:29 PM   #50 
     - Here read his speech  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:34 PM   #54 
     - That's what RICO statutes are for -  RaleighNCDUer   May-22-09 02:00 PM   #95 
     - That's not what he said - are you being sarcastic?  jberryhill   May-22-09 04:59 PM   #149 
  - No, the US put a lot of them to work on our ICBM program.  sarge43   May-22-09 01:06 PM   #16 
  - There was no ICBM program during WW 2  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:14 PM   #28 
     - No kidding.  sarge43   May-22-09 01:25 PM   #41 
        - They were held indefinately as there was no scheduled end of the war  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:26 PM   #44 
  - A bounty program for turning in 'terrorists' had folks turning their neighbors in just for the cash.  Captain Hilts   May-22-09 01:07 PM   #18 
  - Did you take the time to listen to Obama's full speech?  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:16 PM   #30 
     - Actually, I read it. In fact, my mother worked for the fellow who was the Army attorney for  Captain Hilts   May-22-09 03:03 PM   #137 
        - But without any of the fun. n/t  Starry Messenger   May-22-09 11:54 PM   #168 
  - The Nazis were white and Christian.  stopbush   May-22-09 01:07 PM   #20 
  - well, there were the Nazis we used to build our rockets and design our intelligence agencies...  villager   May-22-09 01:20 PM   #35 
  - That was after the war  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:21 PM   #37 
     - and it affected who they chose to prosecute, keep in custody, "let go," etc...  villager   May-22-09 01:56 PM   #91 
  - I'm glad someone is looking to US history for insight  Aloha Spirit   May-22-09 01:26 PM   #43 
  - Soldiers are jailed, spies are hung  AngryAmish   May-22-09 01:27 PM   #45 
  - Hitler gave an order that all "special services" people were to be executed  Joe Chi Minh   May-22-09 05:55 PM   #158 
  - The vast majority of Axis POW's  LanternWaste   May-22-09 01:27 PM   #48 
  - That is what Obama proposed in his speech yesterday  NJmaverick   May-22-09 01:29 PM   #49 
     - Shorter Obama: "I don't know what to do."  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-22-09 01:48 PM   #79 
     - This is the sort of deceptive retelling that has so many people  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:01 PM   #134 
     - I'm responding to what you specifically posted  LanternWaste   May-22-09 01:50 PM   #82 
        - Anyone responding to Obama and his position  NJmaverick   May-22-09 03:02 PM   #136 
  - You flunk Godwin's Law in the worst way possible.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-22-09 01:40 PM   #65 
  - Exactly, How do you defeat and end a "war" on an idealogy?  Hell Hath No Fury   May-22-09 01:51 PM   #84 
  - People kill, not idealogy  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:02 PM   #101 
  - I wish i could recommend a response.  Fovea   May-22-09 01:54 PM   #88 
  - You clearly understand Godwin's law as well as you understand  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:00 PM   #98 
     - See #79.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   May-22-09 02:03 PM   #102 
  - There is a "war on drugs" too, you know....  jberryhill   May-22-09 01:57 PM   #92 
  - Drugs don't attack this Country or its citizens  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:01 PM   #100 
  - No don't but dealers, gangs, and addicts cause a great deal of destruction.  Caliman73   May-22-09 02:06 PM   #104 
     - so do non-dealers, non-gang member, and non-addicts. n/t  iamthebandfanman   May-22-09 02:10 PM   #109 
        - The point being - nobody has ever won a war against a noun /nt  jberryhill   May-22-09 04:46 PM   #146 
  - Actually, there's no more "war on drugs" or "war on terror" thanks to the Obama administration.  ClarkUSA   May-24-09 02:14 PM   #187 
  - youre right! two wrongs DO make a right! n/t  iamthebandfanman   May-22-09 02:11 PM   #110 
  - The US did release captured nazi's during WWII... your point?  Fearless   May-22-09 02:48 PM   #124 
  - ahh, no they didn't  NJmaverick   May-22-09 02:55 PM   #130 
     - Actually they did.  Fearless   May-22-09 07:06 PM   #165 
  - Ugh. I thought DUers hated it when the Bush Crime Family constantly  bullwinkle428   May-22-09 03:02 PM   #135 
  - It's an upside down world on DU  RetroLounge   May-22-09 05:59 PM   #159 
  - Does a yes or no answer change whether it was/is the correct thing to do?  Forkboy   May-22-09 04:18 PM   #144 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-22-09 05:01 PM   #151 
  - I must have missed the declaration of war with each of the governments  leftofthedial   May-22-09 05:24 PM   #155 
  - Me too. n/t  Cleita   May-22-09 06:34 PM   #163 
  - Not only the US released captured Nazi war criminals, we helped them settle on US soil  IndianaGreen   May-23-09 01:34 PM   #176 
  - i believe the german soldiers were POWs. these 'detainees'  ejpoeta   May-23-09 04:03 PM   #178 
  - yes they did.  MyNameGoesHere   May-24-09 06:46 AM   #183 
  - are they "admitted" members of terrorist organizations?  paulk   May-24-09 02:01 PM   #185 
  - War on Terror =/= WW2. It's more like War on Drugs  LittleBlue   May-24-09 02:16 PM   #188 
  - this country isn't fighting a real war  Rosa Luxemburg   May-24-09 11:54 PM   #190 
     - Be sure to tell that to the soldiers being maimed and killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.  ClarkUSA   May-25-09 08:29 AM   #192 
        - well exactly - it is the politicians who play games  Rosa Luxemburg   May-26-09 04:43 PM   #196 
  - They were POWs in a declared war! The war on terror is not a war  MasonJar   May-25-09 10:04 AM   #193 
  - That's why I suggested Obama declare those under "prolonged detention" be declared as POWs.  backscatter712   May-25-09 10:19 AM   #194 

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