| -Mr. President, you alluded to your oath of office today, stating that you are obligated |
rateyes |
May-21-09 11:34 AM |
#0 |
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k and r |
Lorax7844 |
May-21-09 11:34 AM |
#1 |
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He probably doesn't read DU. Call the White House n/t |
emulatorloo |
May-21-09 11:36 AM |
#2 |
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right on |
Lorax7844 |
May-21-09 11:38 AM |
#3 |
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I honestly believe that Obama cares about those that criticize him |
Lorax7844 |
May-22-09 01:53 AM |
#203 |
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Exactly!! He told us to keep him in line and make our voices heard. |
The Hope Mobile |
May-21-09 06:21 PM |
#143 |
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202 456 1111 -- every day n/t |
WhiteTara |
May-21-09 09:24 PM |
#172 |
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Your ass is covered Boss, GET'ER DONE |
bagrman |
May-21-09 11:41 AM |
#4 |
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Calling Obama a criminal really doesn't help the cause. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-21-09 11:44 AM |
#5 |
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Ayup |
alcibiades_mystery |
May-21-09 11:48 AM |
#7 |
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So are we allowed to support Obama and still ask questions about what really happend on 9/11? |
tridim |
May-21-09 11:50 AM |
#9 |
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You're allowed to do whatever the hell you want. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-21-09 11:51 AM |
#10 |
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Asking questions RE: the BushCo era is never stupid. |
tridim |
May-21-09 11:52 AM |
#12 |
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Calling for the impeachment of Obama is stupid. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-21-09 11:52 AM |
#13 |
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Yes it is. |
tridim |
May-21-09 11:55 AM |
#14 |
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It comes full circle |
EnoughOfThis |
May-21-09 10:42 PM |
#195 |
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Agreed |
LaloBorges |
May-22-09 08:52 AM |
#215 |
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#1, I didn't call Obama a criminal. |
rateyes |
May-21-09 11:57 AM |
#16 |
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Riiiiiight, and threw in the reference to "high crimes and misdeamenors" |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-21-09 12:01 PM |
#19 |
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Riiiiggggghhhhht. I didn't call Obama a criminal. |
rateyes |
May-21-09 12:04 PM |
#22 |
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And if there is no prosecution after the investigation. |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 09:52 PM |
#177 |
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And, you know this how? |
rateyes |
May-21-09 10:18 PM |
#186 |
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The law is the law |
spiritual_gunfighter |
May-22-09 10:37 AM |
#231 |
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Obama isn't an investigator or a prosecutor, he's the President |
tridim |
May-21-09 12:02 PM |
#20 |
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He's the head of the executive branch. The branch of government |
rateyes |
May-21-09 12:07 PM |
#24 |
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And he has already directed the AG and Congress to investigate |
tridim |
May-21-09 12:11 PM |
#29 |
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Has he? What I've heard is that his administration will NOT prosecute |
rateyes |
May-21-09 12:26 PM |
#37 |
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His administration CANNOT PROSECUTE!!! |
JuniperLea |
May-21-09 03:09 PM |
#102 |
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The hell it doesn't. The DOJ is part of the Executive Branch. |
rateyes |
May-21-09 05:21 PM |
#132 |
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You're hearing from the "head in the sand" branch of the corporatist party |
The Hope Mobile |
May-21-09 06:18 PM |
#140 |
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Well shit, somebody done went and changed the Constitution while I wasn't looking. |
konnichi wa |
May-21-09 06:22 PM |
#144 |
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That's what he said this morning per the video. |
The Hope Mobile |
May-21-09 06:19 PM |
#141 |
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Please Link to where he said that please.---as far as I know he |
snowdays |
May-21-09 02:58 PM |
#97 |
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Exactly, the Executive Branch... |
JuniperLea |
May-21-09 03:09 PM |
#100 |
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Gee, I thought the Attorney General worked for the Prez |
Vinnie From Indy |
May-21-09 03:14 PM |
#104 |
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Read a book |
JuniperLea |
May-21-09 03:15 PM |
#105 |
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Take a gander at the list of departments under the Executive Branch |
rateyes |
May-21-09 05:30 PM |
#136 |
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I can only surmise you are smoking something that isn't doing what you expected. |
konnichi wa |
May-21-09 06:23 PM |
#145 |
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Dead on! nt |
The Hope Mobile |
May-21-09 06:33 PM |
#149 |
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I thought you had me on ignore... |
JuniperLea |
May-21-09 07:27 PM |
#159 |
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Sadly... |
JuniperLea |
May-21-09 07:28 PM |
#160 |
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Ass.. |
JuniperLea |
May-21-09 06:43 PM |
#154 |
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I am really digging 'ignore' right now. Future crow-eaters be gone!! |
The Hope Mobile |
May-21-09 07:55 PM |
#163 |
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Obama is the Leader, but he is NOT leading on this. |
snowdays |
May-21-09 03:16 PM |
#106 |
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The judicial branch INTERPRETS the laws, |
rateyes |
May-21-09 05:25 PM |
#134 |
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THE PRESIDENT DOESNT DO IT HIMSELF!!! |
JuniperLea |
May-21-09 06:42 PM |
#153 |
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And, what the hell does any of that have to do with your assertion |
rateyes |
May-21-09 09:55 PM |
#179 |
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That's how I learned it. Should I sue my history teachers? |
shadowknows69 |
May-21-09 10:06 PM |
#182 |
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You learned it correctly. nt |
rateyes |
May-21-09 10:28 PM |
#190 |
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So let me get this straight - it's wrong to challenge Obama, but believing the offical story of 9/11 |
slay |
May-21-09 12:07 PM |
#25 |
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Like I said elsewhere, calling for the impeachment of Obama is stupid. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-21-09 12:19 PM |
#32 |
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Who's calling for the impeachment of Obama here? What are you talking about? |
slay |
May-21-09 12:34 PM |
#43 |
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Thanks for the link. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
May-21-09 12:38 PM |
#47 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-21-09 12:43 PM |
#53 |
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Thanks for the link - I can never tell if people are being serious or sarcastic when they post stuff |
slay |
May-21-09 12:51 PM |
#64 |
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like i said, they get removed. |
mkultra |
May-21-09 01:16 PM |
#76 |
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Exactly!! |
The Hope Mobile |
May-21-09 06:29 PM |
#147 |
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Undercover FBI in your classroom? |
Torn_Scorned_Ignored |
May-21-09 09:44 PM |
#173 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-22-09 12:57 AM |
#200 |
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You know what forget it - I don't care if you believe me or not |
slay |
May-22-09 04:47 AM |
#205 |
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Perfectly consistent to say it's wrong to challenge Obama AND believe the official story of 9/11. |
glitch |
May-21-09 12:50 PM |
#63 |
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You made my point for me far better than I could - thank you |
slay |
May-21-09 12:54 PM |
#67 |
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You're welcome! :) nt |
glitch |
May-21-09 12:59 PM |
#70 |
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Exactly! The sheeple mentality! |
The Hope Mobile |
May-21-09 06:35 PM |
#150 |
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Some people just need their binky of lies |
jgraz |
May-22-09 10:19 AM |
#228 |
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nice sidestep. |
leftofthedial |
May-21-09 06:49 PM |
#156 |
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K&R |
pleah |
May-21-09 11:44 AM |
#6 |
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That's a U.N. resolution from the '80's. And Pres. Obama has instructed his AG to investigate. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 11:49 AM |
#8 |
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Hey stop letting facts get in the way of a perfectly good self rightous rant |
NJmaverick |
May-21-09 11:52 AM |
#11 |
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I know... I'm such a sucker for preferring facts to op-ed rhetoric. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:24 PM |
#35 |
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I don't know about President Clinton. If he violated the CAT |
rateyes |
May-21-09 11:55 AM |
#15 |
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Well, since you're going back to the 80's... better look at the 90's, too (links ->) |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:05 PM |
#23 |
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If Bill Clinton is responsible for extraordinary rendtions, then YES |
rateyes |
May-21-09 12:09 PM |
#27 |
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There's no "If" about it. He started the practice with presidential directive PDD 39 on 6/21/95. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:10 PM |
#28 |
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OK, here is the text of PDD 39. |
rateyes |
May-21-09 12:34 PM |
#41 |
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You expected the text of Clinton's presidential directive to include the word "torture"? |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:37 PM |
#45 |
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I'm sorry, but show me where I'm giving a pass to Clinton. I've already |
rateyes |
May-21-09 12:48 PM |
#59 |
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That's the law of this land. The Constitution is a resolution ratified |
rateyes |
May-21-09 12:00 PM |
#17 |
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U.N. resolutions are the "law of this land"? I don't think so. Besides, AG Holder is on it. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:08 PM |
#26 |
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Treaties are the law of this land. We RATIFIED the Convention |
rateyes |
May-21-09 12:13 PM |
#30 |
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You're wrong (see link). And Pres. Obama has asked AG Holder to investigate this matter. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:15 PM |
#31 |
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self-delete nt |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:25 PM |
#36 |
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No, you're wrong - Supremacy clause |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 12:29 PM |
#39 |
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Sorry, but you're wrong. See Reply #38. nt |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:41 PM |
#49 |
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Read it and you're still wrong UN resolutions (what you are pointing at |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 12:43 PM |
#51 |
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It's a UN resolution we're talking about, not a signed treaty. See Reply #38. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:44 PM |
#54 |
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Oh for fuck's sake! "United Nations Convention Against Torture" go and read who signed and also |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 12:45 PM |
#55 |
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It clearly states it's a UN resolution, so your spin fails to impress. See Reply #38 for why. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:48 PM |
#58 |
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Which part about ratified don't you get? Have you ever heard the |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 12:51 PM |
#65 |
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And you are correct in stating that it is up to the Justice Department whether to prosecute or not. |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 12:55 PM |
#69 |
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Do I have to post the text to these links to get you to read them: |
rateyes |
May-21-09 01:17 PM |
#78 |
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Do I have to repeat that Pres. Obama has ALREADY ordered AG Holder to investigate this matter? |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 02:15 PM |
#81 |
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Again, I haven't seen any news report, etc. that backs up your statement. |
rateyes |
May-21-09 02:54 PM |
#93 |
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See Reply #116. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 03:43 PM |
#119 |
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This morning he said its not going to happen per the video. nt |
The Hope Mobile |
May-21-09 06:31 PM |
#148 |
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Huh? Per what video? |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 07:26 PM |
#158 |
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Rachel Maddow's discussion with Isikoff on Hissyspit's Journal |
The Hope Mobile |
May-21-09 08:41 PM |
#167 |
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I don't trust hearsay by biased unsourced parties. nt |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 06:35 AM |
#208 |
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I can't imagine why someone would make that up but obviously you're |
The Hope Mobile |
May-22-09 09:17 AM |
#217 |
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Hearsay is not reliable. I prefer to wait for the facts and see the WH plan. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 09:28 AM |
#221 |
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I'd love it if you were right about this but given the recent behaviors |
The Hope Mobile |
May-22-09 09:37 AM |
#223 |
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I'll wait to see the WH plan rather than make preemptive judgment based on biased unsourced hearsay. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 10:06 AM |
#227 |
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You said that and I said you're entitled. |
The Hope Mobile |
May-22-09 10:41 AM |
#233 |
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Cool. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 10:44 AM |
#234 |
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not sure if this sig is one of the cutesiest or one of the most annoying ones i've ever seen... nt |
inna |
May-22-09 01:52 AM |
#202 |
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I am not going to get into a semantics argument with you. The |
rateyes |
May-21-09 01:00 PM |
#71 |
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I CAMPAIGNED FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA |
dotymed |
May-22-09 10:57 AM |
#236 |
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Clinton wasn't investigated |
xxqqqzme |
May-21-09 12:01 PM |
#18 |
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Clinton didn't start the practice of "extraordinary renditions" |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 12:38 PM |
#46 |
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The ACLU and Wikipedia and PPD 39 contradict you. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:43 PM |
#52 |
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Quote the text from PDD 39 that disagrees with Scott Horton and Dennis Kucinich |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 12:50 PM |
#62 |
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See reply #45. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:55 PM |
#68 |
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I did. All I see is a link to the ACLU that doesn't have the text |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 01:02 PM |
#72 |
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Did you expect the text of Clinton's presidential directive to mention "extraordinary renditions"? |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 02:09 PM |
#79 |
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no, I expected text that would meet the definition of "extraordinary rendition" but have seen none |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 02:25 PM |
#83 |
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No, I expect you would not but you're hardly unbiased, are you? |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 02:39 PM |
#87 |
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Of course I'm biased, but I would never peg Kucinich as such... and... |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 02:44 PM |
#89 |
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So you think PBS Frontline and the ACLU is biased? As for Kucinich, this must be the first time... |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 03:30 PM |
#112 |
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do I think the ACLU and PBS are biased?? Yep! |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 03:37 PM |
#114 |
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You were wrong in that thread and you are still wrong today. n/t |
EFerrari |
May-21-09 03:59 PM |
#122 |
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only to people who can't face facts - like you. |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 07:06 PM |
#157 |
| -
He didn't start it, but he didn't stop it. (nt) |
redqueen |
May-22-09 09:24 AM |
#219 |
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"You da man Clark...You da man" *said in my crazy R. Bachmann voice* n/t |
vaberella |
May-21-09 05:00 PM |
#128 |
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According to Michael Isikoff Obama said no prosecutions |
soryang |
May-21-09 05:30 PM |
#135 |
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Clinton could be a war criminal also. |
Raksha |
May-22-09 08:42 AM |
#214 |
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who does his admin have to prosecute in order for him not to become a war criminal |
cali |
May-21-09 12:04 PM |
#21 |
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According to the law (and you'll see this if you read it), |
rateyes |
May-21-09 12:23 PM |
#34 |
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please provide evidence for the President having to prosecute |
cali |
May-22-09 04:32 AM |
#204 |
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Did you read the law? If you will, your question will be answered. nt |
rateyes |
May-22-09 09:24 AM |
#218 |
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Everyone suspected of participation in torture. |
Senator |
May-21-09 05:31 PM |
#137 |
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Of course there's a way around it: |
salguine |
May-21-09 12:20 PM |
#33 |
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"Myth and Fact: Does Failure to Implement UN Resolutions Violate International Law?" |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:29 PM |
#38 |
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We're talking about a signed ratified treaty. Not a UN resolution. nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 12:30 PM |
#40 |
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The document refers to "General Assembly resolution 39/46 of 10 December 1984" |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:34 PM |
#42 |
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See reply to your other reply above. Once ratified it becomes US law. nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 12:36 PM |
#44 |
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That's a myth, as my linked source shows in Reply #38. nt |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:39 PM |
#48 |
| -
Again no, your link doesn't mention ratified treaties does it? I can't believe I have to try and |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 12:42 PM |
#50 |
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We're talking about a UN resolution, not a ratified treaty as you keep insisting. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:46 PM |
#56 |
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Look up United Nations "Convention Against Torture" that's all you have to do. nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 12:47 PM |
#57 |
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I'm looking at the OP's linked document page and it clearly is titled "UN resolution..." |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 12:49 PM |
#61 |
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A UN resolution yes but specifically the "United Nations Convention Against Torture" it goes |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 12:53 PM |
#66 |
| -
UN resolutions signed by the unted states are not automatic treaties |
mkultra |
May-21-09 01:14 PM |
#75 |
| -
You are correct reg. conventions and treaties. nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 01:16 PM |
#77 |
| -
See Reply #80. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 02:30 PM |
#85 |
| -
See # 86. And that doesn't change the fact that you kept claiming |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-21-09 02:43 PM |
#88 |
| -
Sorry, but I disagree since the document clearly references UN resolution 39/46 |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 03:59 PM |
#121 |
| -
This isn't for you to agree or disagree it is how this country works when they |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-22-09 09:49 AM |
#224 |
| -
You do realize that U.S. courts agree with me, don't you? |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 10:40 AM |
#232 |
| -
The Supremacy Clause pretty much states that if the document is ratified |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-22-09 10:55 AM |
#235 |
| -
Why are you ignoring what I just said? I repeat, U.S. courts agree with me. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 11:10 AM |
#237 |
| -
You've ignored everything I've been saying since yesterday. I've provided to you |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-22-09 11:15 AM |
#238 |
| -
No, I've disagreed with your position. So do the U.S. courts. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 11:35 AM |
#239 |
| -
Yet you continued to call it a resolution when you knew that I was talking about the |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-22-09 11:43 AM |
#240 |
| -
Red herrings may help you keep up a fallacious argument but I have the U.S. courts on my side. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 11:59 AM |
#241 |
| -
That's up to the attorney general. Now, is torture illegal or not Mr Addington? nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-22-09 12:03 PM |
#242 |
| -
Now you've created a strawman "torture illegal or not" argument to CYA. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 12:10 PM |
#243 |
| -
So what is it that you're arguing here? It's illegal but not because of the Conventions |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-22-09 12:12 PM |
#244 |
| -
There you go again... |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 12:13 PM |
#245 |
| -
Ah the Reagan response........ nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-22-09 12:14 PM |
#246 |
| -
It fits you well. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 12:19 PM |
#247 |
| -
It says more about the person using it. nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-22-09 12:36 PM |
#248 |
| -
lol! Your response was predictable. But you got my message. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 01:13 PM |
#251 |
| -
Yours are not exactly oozing with originality and cleverness. Did you have a good lunch? nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
May-22-09 01:14 PM |
#252 |
| -
The courts do not agree with you as to your position on treaties. |
rateyes |
May-23-09 09:28 AM |
#257 |
| -
No, it does not say that it's a RESOLUTION. It's clearly a |
rateyes |
May-21-09 01:09 PM |
#74 |
| -
The document clearly refers to "General Assembly resolution 39/46 of 10 December 1984" |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 02:17 PM |
#82 |
| -
The document REFERS to a resolution. It is not TITLED as a resolution. |
rateyes |
May-21-09 03:05 PM |
#99 |
| -
Wrong. According to your document link, that's the UN resolution's full I.D. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 03:35 PM |
#113 |
| -
The resolution to which the CONVENTION (which is a TREATY RATIFIED by this country) |
rateyes |
May-21-09 01:07 PM |
#73 |
| -
Why can't you acknowledge the fact that Pres. Obama has already ordered AG Holder to investigate? |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 02:27 PM |
#84 |
| -
I'm going to try this one more time with you, and then I'm done... |
rateyes |
May-21-09 03:25 PM |
#110 |
| -
Your insistence doesn't make it so. The CAT entry on Wikipedia is illuminating. (quote/link)-> |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 06:39 PM |
#151 |
| -
You're correct. It's illuminating. First of all, |
rateyes |
May-21-09 10:08 PM |
#183 |
| -
CAT is "'an international human rights instrument, under the review of the United Nations" |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 06:41 AM |
#209 |
| -
The Constitution says that all treaties are the supreme law of the land... |
rateyes |
May-22-09 09:04 AM |
#216 |
| -
Then why do U.S. courts disagree with you? |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 10:03 AM |
#226 |
| -
You do realize, do you not, that you took that citation from a document |
rateyes |
May-22-09 10:28 AM |
#229 |
| -
Of course I do, but the reality remains the same. Your position is not supported by U.S. courts. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 10:35 AM |
#230 |
| -
Yes, it is. Bye. |
rateyes |
May-22-09 12:48 PM |
#250 |
| -
Saying so isn't enough. There is no case study where a U.S. court supported your position. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 01:28 PM |
#253 |
| -
Medellin v. Texas |
onenote |
May-22-09 01:44 PM |
#254 |
| -
I agree with all of that. However, because Congress has not |
rateyes |
May-22-09 02:48 PM |
#255 |
| -
Let me also say that in this case, the report cited states that |
rateyes |
May-22-09 03:17 PM |
#256 |
| -
And, I refer you to post #86 where I quote the report |
rateyes |
May-21-09 10:15 PM |
#184 |
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"Obligations" does not equate to "supreme law of the land". |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 06:42 AM |
#210 |
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ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT |
scubadude |
May-21-09 12:49 PM |
#60 |
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So, Obama is an accomplice of Ted Stevens |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 09:54 PM |
#178 |
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Self Delete |
scubadude |
May-22-09 09:27 AM |
#220 |
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Yes, it is indeed a Geek Tragedy. |
scubadude |
May-22-09 09:31 AM |
#222 |
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the OP is an example of what happens when amateurs play international lawyer |
onenote |
May-21-09 02:13 PM |
#80 |
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And, your post is an example of getting half the story, and not understanding the defintion |
rateyes |
May-21-09 02:35 PM |
#86 |
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Why can't you acknowledge the fact that Pres. Obama supports AG Holder's investigation into torture? |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 02:52 PM |
#90 |
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You state that as being a "fact." SHOW ME. One news article. |
rateyes |
May-21-09 02:54 PM |
#95 |
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From Michael Isikoff's report in Newsweek (link and quote -->) |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 03:42 PM |
#116 |
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Dude, that was so last month |
Generator |
May-21-09 05:45 PM |
#139 |
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You're right, "Faith is not about reality." Which is why I don't believe off-the-record hearsay. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 06:28 PM |
#146 |
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One of the men that met with Obama is going to |
Generator |
May-21-09 08:15 PM |
#166 |
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Fine, but it's still hearsay, which is why civil courts strictly limit their admittance as evidence. |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 06:47 AM |
#212 |
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You are missing the point. |
onenote |
May-21-09 02:54 PM |
#94 |
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I understand exactly what you are saying. The reason the US declared |
rateyes |
May-21-09 03:03 PM |
#98 |
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the supreme court disagrees with you |
onenote |
May-21-09 03:19 PM |
#108 |
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Oh, and BTW, I have not claimed that Obama is guilty of a criminal act. |
rateyes |
May-21-09 03:09 PM |
#101 |
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not a crime under domestic law |
onenote |
May-21-09 03:21 PM |
#109 |
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OK, then. If President Obama fails to live up to international law, |
rateyes |
May-21-09 03:28 PM |
#111 |
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Bush - impeachable offense; Obama -- no impeachable offense |
onenote |
May-21-09 04:30 PM |
#123 |
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That's wrong. And if you don't know it, you should. |
EFerrari |
May-21-09 04:59 PM |
#127 |
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I look forward to your explanation of why my analysis is wrong |
onenote |
May-21-09 05:01 PM |
#129 |
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I assume that you have access to The Google. |
EFerrari |
May-21-09 05:23 PM |
#133 |
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BECAUSE OBAMA IS EVIL LIKE BUSH@!!!@!!! n/t |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 09:49 PM |
#175 |
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Is waterboarding outlawed by domestic law? |
rateyes |
May-21-09 05:18 PM |
#130 |
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I'm probably being dense here but if under domestic law Bush committed a treasonable |
truedelphi |
May-21-09 08:51 PM |
#168 |
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you are confusing criminality and illegality. |
Vattel |
May-21-09 03:42 PM |
#117 |
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There are illegal acts that are not crimes? |
rateyes |
May-21-09 05:20 PM |
#131 |
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It's not really rare |
Vattel |
May-21-09 08:05 PM |
#165 |
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Sneaking into the country from Mexico isn't a crime. |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 09:50 PM |
#176 |
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It's not? Then why the hell do we arrest those who do? |
rateyes |
May-21-09 10:22 PM |
#188 |
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They are detained and deported. |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 10:32 PM |
#193 |
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Wrong and you should know better. |
EFerrari |
May-21-09 03:43 PM |
#118 |
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There is no statute making it a crime to fail to prosecute someone. |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 09:56 PM |
#180 |
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Have you read the CAT? |
rateyes |
May-21-09 10:27 PM |
#189 |
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There is no provision making it a crime to fail to investigate |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 10:31 PM |
#192 |
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... |
rateyes |
May-22-09 09:53 AM |
#225 |
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I'm pretty sure the Constitutional Law professor knows the legal obligations of his office |
CakeGrrl |
May-21-09 02:53 PM |
#91 |
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perhaps. |
snowdays |
May-21-09 03:18 PM |
#107 |
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His constant statements about moving forward are directly at odds |
EFerrari |
May-21-09 03:45 PM |
#120 |
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Simply *saying* we need to move forward does not equate to calling off the DOJ |
CakeGrrl |
May-21-09 04:53 PM |
#124 |
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Well, he hasn't. The UN Special Rapporteur has made that clear in the media. |
EFerrari |
May-21-09 04:57 PM |
#125 |
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I'm well aware of what the Special Rapporteur has said |
onenote |
May-21-09 06:39 PM |
#152 |
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Sure there's a way around it. Just ask our Indian tribes. |
sofa king |
May-21-09 02:53 PM |
#92 |
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Well, you do make a point. nt |
rateyes |
May-21-09 03:10 PM |
#103 |
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K & R....Return us to being a Nation of Laws. |
winyanstaz |
May-21-09 02:55 PM |
#96 |
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It's all right to keep telling Obama what you need and expect. |
EFerrari |
May-21-09 03:39 PM |
#115 |
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Thanks. |
rateyes |
May-21-09 05:44 PM |
#138 |
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K&R. |
Vidar |
May-21-09 04:57 PM |
#126 |
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Wouldn't be prudent. |
konnichi wa |
May-21-09 06:20 PM |
#142 |
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there you go again, trying to enforce the *rules* at a fan club meeting. |
leftofthedial |
May-21-09 06:46 PM |
#155 |
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Why are you using such divisive language? This is a discussion forum and we're having a discussion. |
ClarkUSA |
May-21-09 07:55 PM |
#162 |
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war crimes are war crimes. |
leftofthedial |
May-21-09 09:18 PM |
#170 |
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You haven't answered my question. nt |
ClarkUSA |
May-22-09 06:33 AM |
#207 |
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the UN Rapporteur on Torture recently said we have an obligation to investigate |
Old Hank |
May-21-09 08:55 PM |
#169 |
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K&R |
TheMachineWins |
May-21-09 07:49 PM |
#161 |
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SHHHHH..in a bad economy ..it doesn't surprise does it? eom |
flyarm |
May-22-09 12:45 PM |
#249 |
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Stop talking about the law and start enforcing it on The Bush Crime Family! |
santamargarita |
May-21-09 08:00 PM |
#164 |
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Cheney's big mouth could be making it more likely. |
Lord Helmet |
May-21-09 09:21 PM |
#171 |
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Lots of "impeach Obama" nutjobs to add to my ignore list. |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 09:48 PM |
#174 |
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Where did I say that. But, if you insist on putting me on ignore... |
rateyes |
May-21-09 09:58 PM |
#181 |
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You realize that Eric Holder is supposed to make those |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 10:17 PM |
#185 |
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Yes, I'm aware of that. However, Obama said that his administration |
rateyes |
May-21-09 10:21 PM |
#187 |
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Perhaps Holder told him that they wouldn't be prosecuting |
geek tragedy |
May-21-09 10:30 PM |
#191 |
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Following orders is not a defense for a war-crime. |
Ozymanithrax |
May-21-09 11:43 PM |
#199 |
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no he's not. Obama is the chief executive. |
Vattel |
May-22-09 06:58 AM |
#213 |
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If Obama believes it is torture.... |
EnoughOfThis |
May-21-09 10:39 PM |
#194 |
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Just Had A Thought |
Dinger |
May-21-09 11:06 PM |
#196 |
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It doesn't matter who started it. |
Ozymanithrax |
May-21-09 11:32 PM |
#197 |
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Mr. Obama. Prosecute, or get in line to be prosecuted. It is that simple. |
L. Coyote |
May-21-09 11:36 PM |
#198 |
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You won ... after reading though the thread you won |
kster |
May-22-09 01:49 AM |
#201 |
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there IS one way around this - |
mdmc |
May-22-09 06:29 AM |
#206 |
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That was for *our* benefit, I hope. |
Orsino |
May-22-09 06:46 AM |
#211 |
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