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Wed May-20-09 03:38 PM
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| 44. So the point involves admitting that her positions are all great now, |
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and that with two exceptions (being immigration and gay marriage) they were mostly great when she was an elected Democrat in a strongly conservative district.
I don't find a problem with Democrats switching to support gay marriage. If we want gay marriage, we're going to need a lot more Democrats to switch. I think we should reward and not punish politicians for shifting their positions in the right direction.
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| -Gillibrand Loses Another Challenger |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 12:35 PM |
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Huh? It's Pres Obama's fault you aren't running? Anybody know the polling numbers? nt |
Captain Hilts |
May-20-09 12:42 PM |
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Yes, 100-0 |
Renew Deal |
May-20-09 12:50 PM |
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QUid Pro quos are being handed out by the Schummer and the DSCC |
Perky |
May-20-09 12:50 PM |
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I guess that's one way of looking at it. Another could be |
rvablue |
May-20-09 01:07 PM |
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She has voted with the Democrats 97.1% of the time since becoming a Senator: |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-20-09 01:12 PM |
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Sounds pretty good to me. No huge need to waste the money, time and unity |
rvablue |
May-20-09 01:20 PM |
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Attention to detail, that's the key. |
billyoc |
May-20-09 02:25 PM |
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Who was the Congresswoman that was going to run? |
ronnykmarshall |
May-20-09 01:01 PM |
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Maloney and McCarthy haven't bowed out yet. |
TheWraith |
May-20-09 01:26 PM |
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What are the Dems in NY thinking? If Gillibrand runs in the general we risk losing that... |
totodeinhere |
May-20-09 01:07 PM |
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you really think a NY senate seat is at risk of going to the GOP next year? nt |
Muttocracy |
May-20-09 01:09 PM |
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why do you say that? |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 01:09 PM |
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Gillibrand is a DINO running in a liberal state. |
totodeinhere |
May-20-09 01:18 PM |
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May-20-09 01:20 PM |
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Something tells me you would have slapped the same label on Clinton. |
rvablue |
May-20-09 01:21 PM |
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and Schumer |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 01:23 PM |
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Ironically, Gillibrand is substantially more liberal than either Clinton or Schumer. |
TheWraith |
May-22-09 07:14 AM |
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compare Hillary's voting record to these sobering facts |
yourguide |
May-20-09 05:14 PM |
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You just wrecked your own argument |
Muttocracy |
May-20-09 01:25 PM |
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Evidently you haven't checked your facts. |
TheWraith |
May-20-09 01:27 PM |
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Shhhhh! |
ronnykmarshall |
May-20-09 01:36 PM |
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She used to be one of the NRA's best friends in Congress. |
totodeinhere |
May-20-09 01:45 PM |
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Being in favor of 2nd-Amendment rights is not incompatible with being a Democrat. |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 01:49 PM |
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I prefer someone who had views similar to mine in the first place. |
totodeinhere |
May-20-09 02:00 PM |
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*shrug* I'm not going to punish politicians for moving in the right direction. nt |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 02:02 PM |
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And you can vote for that person in Nevada. |
Nicholas D Wolfwood |
May-21-09 01:54 PM |
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As opposed to the hypocrite Guiliani who snubs his best friends...WHO LET HIM STAY |
joeybee12 |
May-20-09 04:58 PM |
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Two questions: |
rvablue |
May-20-09 02:00 PM |
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I would vote for her if she's the candidate. But I would prefer someone who has been a liberal... |
totodeinhere |
May-20-09 02:14 PM |
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So if your problem with her is that she adjusted a handful of positions to win in NY-20, and then |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 02:20 PM |
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Being pro-2nd amendment |
leftynyc |
May-20-09 02:16 PM |
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Did you read her entire spiel on gay marriage? |
TheWraith |
May-20-09 02:47 PM |
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So, she supports our economic and social policies, but likes guns. Therefore she is hellspawn |
Zynx |
May-20-09 03:25 PM |
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She's seriously one of the best Senators we have. |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 03:43 PM |
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She's liberal on every issue I can think of. |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 01:34 PM |
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What about these issues? |
yourguide |
May-20-09 05:09 PM |
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Can you find any problems in her Senate voting record, or in any policy statements made |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 09:52 PM |
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Here you go |
yourguide |
May-21-09 06:58 AM |
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During the last Congress she voted with Democrats 96.4% of the time: |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-20-09 01:36 PM |
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Rudy took a far right turn |
leftynyc |
May-20-09 02:13 PM |
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Rudy has a better shot running for governor. |
burning rain |
May-20-09 03:50 PM |
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Or Pataki might take on Gillibrand. I don't have it right in front of me but I remember... |
totodeinhere |
May-20-09 04:48 PM |
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Yup just like we lost her former Congressional seat! |
whistler162 |
May-20-09 06:23 PM |
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And there you have it, folks. Another DLC DINO Democrat. Really now. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-20-09 01:56 PM |
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May-20-09 02:01 PM |
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May-20-09 02:06 PM |
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On what issues do you disagree with her? |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 02:07 PM |
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Is this enough for you? |
yourguide |
May-20-09 05:17 PM |
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Not at all, since none of that has to do with anything she's done since she joined the Senate. |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 09:55 PM |
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Here's a nice long list of her votes against her party |
yourguide |
May-21-09 06:53 AM |
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Progressives DO believe in gun rights. Where are you getting this wingnut bullshit from? |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-20-09 10:13 PM |
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And there you have it, folks. |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 02:28 PM |
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The demonization of "progressives" has been coming from the DLCers and the right wing |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-20-09 10:15 PM |
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the demonization of DLCers has been coming from the left wing |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 10:21 PM |
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No, it hasn't, but pro-corporate, moderate Democrats have and that's what the DLC represents. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
May-21-09 12:21 PM |
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You're right. Schumer called Emanuel to get Obama to stop a primary challenge |
Lord Helmet |
May-20-09 02:47 PM |
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How many blue dogs are in favor of gay marriage, EFCA, bankruptcy reform, and medicare for all? |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 02:54 PM |
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the point is she was a conservative blue dog being transformed into a "liberal" to keep the seat |
Lord Helmet |
May-20-09 03:05 PM |
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those are two completely different seats (NY-20 vs. Senate). nt |
Muttocracy |
May-20-09 03:08 PM |
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So the point involves admitting that her positions are all great now, |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 03:38 PM |
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lol --- you are white washing her record too |
Lord Helmet |
May-20-09 03:53 PM |
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All Democrats in conservative districts (and all Republicans in liberal districts) |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 03:59 PM |
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Oh stop, seriously. |
yourguide |
May-20-09 05:38 PM |
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NY-20 isn't NY at large. |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 09:06 PM |
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Haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha |
yourguide |
May-20-09 09:19 PM |
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Can you not find a single negative thing she's done or said since taking office? |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 09:54 PM |
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So you want me to disregard 85% of her voting record |
yourguide |
May-21-09 06:40 AM |
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So report her to child services. |
TimesSquareCowboy |
May-21-09 09:54 AM |
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So Schumer must have the goods on Obama to force the President to do that! LOL! |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 03:07 PM |
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Poppy Bush has the goods on both, and got Rove to |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 03:47 PM |
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hysterical! |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 04:10 PM |
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dangit, I think I already used up my DUzy nom for the week :( |
Muttocracy |
May-20-09 04:24 PM |
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DUzy for sure |
Uzybone |
May-20-09 09:24 PM |
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So it all comes back to Abramoff, eh? |
Bucky |
May-21-09 08:42 AM |
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Thank you. Everyone's talking about her 97% party line voting, not her 3% disloyalty rate. |
Bucky |
May-21-09 08:41 AM |
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Good because we need |
Politicalboi |
May-20-09 02:33 PM |
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Specter's only announced Democratic opponent just dropped out last week |
Freddie Stubbs |
May-20-09 03:43 PM |
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Perhaps it's not only the GOP who will be experiencing an identity crisis? |
ShortnFiery |
May-20-09 04:13 PM |
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Obama promised to back Spectre in the primary |
Raineyb |
May-21-09 12:05 PM |
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If there is ANY question about Gillibrand being a DINO |
yourguide |
May-20-09 05:12 PM |
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Tasini would lose like he did to Hillary - fortunately. |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 07:15 PM |
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Still a better bet than a republican in democrats clothing n/t |
yourguide |
May-20-09 07:17 PM |
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I'll take a Democrat like Gillibrand over a Dem wannabe like Tasini |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 07:21 PM |
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Not me |
yourguide |
May-20-09 07:23 PM |
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so? |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 07:44 PM |
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Why dont you answer the question? |
yourguide |
May-20-09 09:00 PM |
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sure |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 09:14 PM |
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You still havent addressed the REAL question |
yourguide |
May-20-09 09:22 PM |
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I addressed the only thing in your post that ended in a "?" |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 09:27 PM |
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So essentially you cant answer the question. |
yourguide |
May-20-09 09:33 PM |
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I did answer the question |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 09:48 PM |
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The question was |
yourguide |
May-20-09 09:52 PM |
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you posed the question AFTER the initial question you wanted an answer to. |
wyldwolf |
May-20-09 10:05 PM |
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So he's a pretend democrat based on |
yourguide |
May-21-09 06:37 AM |
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he's a pretend democrat as much as you believe Gillibrand is a Republican |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 07:42 AM |
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No. |
yourguide |
May-21-09 08:33 AM |
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he was rejected based on the choice voters were given |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 09:46 AM |
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So that's why you won in Roswell? |
yourguide |
May-21-09 11:23 AM |
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6th congressional district originally drawn to be a Republican stronghold |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 11:27 AM |
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I do know Newts old district |
yourguide |
May-21-09 11:54 AM |
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yeah, SURE you used to live there. LOL |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 12:07 PM |
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You might want to look at my yearbook |
yourguide |
May-21-09 12:45 PM |
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I can find that all on google, lol! |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 12:54 PM |
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Good luck finding the white dot on google. |
yourguide |
May-21-09 01:04 PM |
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you keep contradicting yourself |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 01:14 PM |
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I'm hardly contradicting myself |
yourguide |
May-21-09 01:28 PM |
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you don't make that determination |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 01:35 PM |
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Care to make a wager? |
yourguide |
May-21-09 01:41 PM |
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yeah, I'll make a wager |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 01:48 PM |
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Yeah so basically you're all talk |
yourguide |
May-21-09 01:59 PM |
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Well, for one thing, MAHONEY isn't running. |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 02:08 PM |
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Lord |
yourguide |
May-21-09 03:50 PM |
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Yeah, purifying the party is such a great idea |
Marsala |
May-21-09 04:07 PM |
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you missed it every time. |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 07:03 PM |
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*snicker* |
yourguide |
May-21-09 07:24 PM |
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no I don't fail to recognize that |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 08:07 PM |
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Just depends on what you consider progressive |
yourguide |
May-21-09 08:16 PM |
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again, an opinion from the far left reaches of space means very little |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 08:30 PM |
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight |
yourguide |
May-21-09 08:34 PM |
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riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 08:45 PM |
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*snicker* |
yourguide |
May-21-09 08:57 PM |
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*snicker* |
wyldwolf |
May-21-09 09:06 PM |
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rolls eyes |
yourguide |
May-22-09 06:39 AM |
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rolls eyes back |
wyldwolf |
May-22-09 06:51 AM |
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shouldnt you be giving the tax payers what they paid for? |
yourguide |
May-22-09 07:12 AM |
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shouldn't you be staying on topic? You do have a problem with that |
wyldwolf |
May-22-09 07:37 AM |
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Been on topic... |
yourguide |
May-22-09 07:50 AM |
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*snort* |
wyldwolf |
May-22-09 10:25 AM |
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Do you grasp sourcing? |
yourguide |
May-22-09 11:15 AM |
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Do you understand you can't keep asking for sources then deny them when you get them? |
wyldwolf |
May-22-09 11:23 AM |
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No. |
yourguide |
May-22-09 11:47 AM |
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and Ron Kind confirming it, and no one but YOU, apparently, squirming away from it |
wyldwolf |
May-23-09 08:20 AM |
#147 |
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That article contains a bunch of factual errors |
Lavender Brown |
May-20-09 08:27 PM |
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You might want to check her voting record |
yourguide |
May-20-09 09:04 PM |
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I'm familiar with it, thanks |
Lavender Brown |
May-20-09 09:31 PM |
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So her voting record shouldnt be taken into account? |
yourguide |
May-20-09 09:35 PM |
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Yes, ALL of her record should be, not just one or two votes |
Lavender Brown |
May-20-09 09:39 PM |
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Yes, I am taking ALL of her votes into account |
yourguide |
May-20-09 09:43 PM |
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All her votes? She voted Democrat 97.2% of the time in the 111th. |
Occam Bandage |
May-20-09 10:02 PM |
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Interesting |
yourguide |
May-21-09 06:45 AM |
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I think Gillibrand will take the primary and general election pretty easily |
fujiyama |
May-20-09 09:48 PM |
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Good |
BeyondGeography |
May-21-09 07:49 AM |
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For those New Yorkers who want a choice |
liskddksil |
May-21-09 11:35 AM |
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Lets Put the Gun thing in Context |
Captain_New_York |
May-21-09 01:31 PM |
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welcome to DU. Not many people from her district post. nt |
Muttocracy |
May-21-09 08:34 PM |
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Why do you insist on consistently celebrating New Yorkers being denied the ability to choose their |
Raineyb |
May-22-09 07:22 AM |
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Gillibrand picks up some endorsements |
wyldwolf |
May-22-09 11:24 AM |
#145 |
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