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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:53 PM
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23. It Must Be Kept In Mind, Ma'am, That Some On The Left View Democrats As The Enemy
One of the enduring strategic fallacies on the left is that if center-left and left-center bodies can be broken, people will turn to radical left leadership as their only hope against the right. Communists spent much more time and effort in the first half of the twentieth century trying to break Social-Democratic parties than they did fighting Fascists and Nazis.

Some on the left imagine they can parlay present conditions into the destruction of the whole system of party governance in our political life, and hope to see the Democratic Party destroyed along with the Republicans. It is not going to happen.

"A sense of what ends can be achieved with the means at one's disposal is the foundation of strategic wisdom."
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  -Are we seriously going to let the media help the republicans skate while taking down one of our own Peacetrain  May-15-09 12:19 PM   #0 
  - Sadly they played into the GOP's hands  Fresh_Start   May-15-09 12:20 PM   #1 
  - Fuck Resetting The Table.... Yank The Tablecloth And Let The Dishes Fly  Binka   May-15-09 09:33 PM   #40 
  - It's an ugly repeat. Uglier that people here are falling for it nt  Captain Hilts   May-15-09 12:21 PM   #2 
  - If they play us like this again, and we are so damn dumb  Peacetrain   May-15-09 12:24 PM   #3 
  - THE MEDIA IS ALWAYS REACTIONARY  HowHasItComeToThis   May-15-09 02:00 PM   #25 
  - It sadly seems that way  Uzybone   May-15-09 12:27 PM   #4 
  - Yep would be nice if some people around here calling  SIMPLYB1980   May-15-09 12:59 PM   #15 
  - no one can "get" pelosi  Crooked Moon   May-15-09 12:32 PM   #5 
  - I started feeling this way last night watching the cable news late night.  rvablue   May-15-09 12:35 PM   #6 
  - My thoughts exactly..they are pushing us hard from the right, to see if  Peacetrain   May-15-09 12:39 PM   #7 
     - I get the impression that Pelosi is holding firm.  LooseWilly   May-15-09 11:05 PM   #48 
  - I was just thinking the same thing. Pelosi has opened up a door,  FrenchieCat   May-15-09 12:42 PM   #8 
  - Me too.. I am not going to sit and watch another Democratic President, Congress  Peacetrain   May-15-09 12:45 PM   #9 
  - let's hit back hard, enough is enough.  bdamomma   May-15-09 01:45 PM   #22 
  - No-like I said on the other thread-they should be talking about Ali Soufan-not Nancy Pelosi!  jenmito   May-15-09 12:49 PM   #10 
  - You made a most excellent point Jen.. Cross referencing your thread  Peacetrain   May-15-09 12:52 PM   #13 
  - Thanks, Peacetrain!  jenmito   May-15-09 01:01 PM   #16 
  - I was trying to find out why the Breathless Media didn't bother  FrenchieCat   May-15-09 02:06 PM   #29 
     - It got coverage for about 2 minutes that day...  jenmito   May-15-09 02:53 PM   #30 
  - No we are not..the corporatemediawhores  Cha   May-15-09 12:50 PM   #11 
  - This happens all the time. The left either eats their own or Allow MSM and the Repukes  Thrill   May-15-09 12:51 PM   #12 
  - I don't see what the big deal is... If Pelosi goes down the Republicans go  walldude   May-15-09 12:56 PM   #14 
  - Nope  Adelante   May-15-09 01:22 PM   #17 
  - Apparently, Ma'am, A Good Portion Of The Left Is Happy To Co-Operate With Rove In This  The Magistrate   May-15-09 01:26 PM   #18 
  - Which sickens me. Why oh why are some on the left playing into their hands?  Jennicut   May-15-09 01:37 PM   #19 
  - It Must Be Kept In Mind, Ma'am, That Some On The Left View Democrats As The Enemy  The Magistrate   May-15-09 01:53 PM   #23 
     - Fascinating.  Number23   May-15-09 05:48 PM   #37 
     - I'm an Indepedent for the same reason. n/t  vaberella   May-15-09 10:18 PM   #46 
     - Well said. And very much in line with my thinking as a center-left [Dem-leaning] Independent  Liberal_Stalwart71   May-18-09 06:40 AM   #70 
     - I agree. Thanks Magistrate.  Jennicut   May-15-09 09:17 PM   #38 
     - The whole thing has been reminding me of something you told me about the Spanish Civil war.  Forkboy   May-15-09 09:26 PM   #39 
     - Thank You, My Friend: It Is A Common Theme Of Mine, And A Very Depressing Feature Of That Conflict  The Magistrate   May-15-09 09:46 PM   #41 
     - Thank you for reminding me of the details.  Forkboy   May-15-09 09:58 PM   #43 
        - Two Good Starting Points, My Friend  The Magistrate   May-15-09 10:07 PM   #44 
           - Excellent. Thank you for the recommendations.  Forkboy   May-15-09 10:15 PM   #45 
           - Exchanges like this are why I love DU. Thank you, Sir. n/t  ms liberty   May-15-09 11:02 PM   #47 
     - It's one of the oldest tricks in the book.  redqueen   May-16-09 10:26 AM   #51 
     - If Pelosi hadn't taken impeachment off the table then I would be more sympathetic toward her now.  totodeinhere   May-17-09 05:07 PM   #65 
     - I believe there is a small group that is pursuing that  Still Sensible   May-17-09 01:22 PM   #59 
     - Interesting.  BlooInBloo   May-17-09 01:54 PM   #60 
     - ...  Bushknew   May-17-09 06:51 PM   #66 
     - Im a Dennis Kucinich Democrat. The consequences of history have shown his judgment to have been ..  Bushknew   May-17-09 06:56 PM   #68 
     - ..  Bushknew   May-17-09 06:57 PM   #69 
  - Please identify these people on the left....  PassingFair   May-17-09 02:06 PM   #61 
  - they have been wanting to go after Pelosi for a long time.  bdamomma   May-15-09 01:40 PM   #20 
  - Yep.  redqueen   May-15-09 01:42 PM   #21 
  - the media is as guilty as the repigs are.  bdamomma   May-15-09 01:58 PM   #24 
     - They are hand and hand.. as someone pointed out once to me.. the repubs are entrenched  Peacetrain   May-16-09 10:24 AM   #50 
  - I'm pushing back! talk to the media -  wowimthere   May-15-09 02:01 PM   #26 
  - I won't  incapsulated   May-15-09 02:02 PM   #27 
  - Absolutely agree! We cannot let them control the message any longer.  Window   May-15-09 03:24 PM   #31 
  - I am not crazy about nancy but...  butterfly77   May-15-09 02:02 PM   #28 
  - yes, this is complete bullshit  ibegurpard   May-15-09 05:03 PM   #32 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   May-15-09 05:03 PM   #33 
  - This is how the progressive Dems operate. They eat their own.  Phx_Dem   May-15-09 05:11 PM   #34 
  - Whoa Broad Brush You Are Painting With  Binka   May-15-09 09:53 PM   #42 
  - Gibbs dodges Pelosi question...........  snowdays   May-15-09 05:34 PM   #35 
  - They don't trust the President. At this point, I don't care any more.  vaberella   May-15-09 05:38 PM   #36 
  - I'm keeping my powder dry. nt  tsuki   May-15-09 11:07 PM   #49 
  - Nancy is taking herself down  slackmaster   May-16-09 10:26 AM   #52 
  - I will blame the media till hell freezes over.. they sat on thier backsides  Peacetrain   May-16-09 10:31 AM   #53 
     - The only thing the media care about is selling advertising  slackmaster   May-16-09 12:39 PM   #56 
  - It's very upsetting. The media is dwelling on what Pelosi knew  Vinca   May-16-09 10:57 AM   #54 
  - I believe Pelosi, and I think she should shrieke about vindication.  Gman2   May-16-09 11:08 AM   #55 
  - What I don't get about the Democratic Party is where is our  jillan   May-16-09 12:56 PM   #57 
  - Fuck Pelosi. She wasn't there when we needed her, so we shouldn't be there for her either.  anonymous171   May-16-09 12:56 PM   #58 
  - She voted against the IWR when many others didn't have the courage to do so.  PassingFair   May-17-09 02:09 PM   #62 
  - Yes. That's how DUers roll.  BlooInBloo   May-17-09 02:09 PM   #63 
  - Not me. No way, no how.  TheKentuckian   May-17-09 04:19 PM   #64 
  - I know exactly how you feel.  EFerrari   May-17-09 06:53 PM   #67 

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