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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 07:06 AM
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42. The voters do want it
And listening to folks who have never lived with a not for profit plan, folks who hear 'horror stories', as opposed to people who live with those plans, would be nuts. Some of us on this thread live with those plans. Some of us have family and friends that live with those plans. Honestly, do you really think the US is so lacking in connections to Canada and the UK and Austrailia and Germany that we have to listen to rumors, not direct stories from actual patients we actually know over many years of experience? I have known people in all of those countries for decades. I've been covered under three of them for periods myself. Never heard a 'horror story' outside of the USA. Lots of them here. Tons.
The stuff you 'hear' from who knows who does not compare with the stuff I have heard from my friend, the MD in Germany, for example. You know? Or my flat broke pal in the UK who had a life changing surgery for nothing, with full care, while my US pal with the same condition suffered with it and eventually died. DEAD. MMMMkay? How's that for horror?
Or my friend in the UK who was born with more medical problems and disablities than most of us have in a lifetime. She's had millions of pounds worth of care, her parents never had to pay, nor does she. Her counterparts in the states are homebound and miseralbe. She works for a major corporation and has a rather nice gig. A horror story! Here in the US, her parents would have been ruined financially, years ago.
So what do you have for first hand? Got any 'horror stories' that have first names and relationships attached, or is this all media reporting you are speaking of? I've seen what I've seen with my eyes. The GOP and Conservative ObamaDems rave about stuff they heard once from a guy on the radio who said he'd once met a Canadian in an airport.....
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  -Obama Massive Fail - Universal Single Payer Not For Profit Health Care The Only Solution lostnotforgotten  May-12-09 11:40 PM   #0 
  - Heh. Obama sucks!  babylonsister   May-12-09 11:44 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-12-09 11:50 PM   #2 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-09 12:05 AM   #9 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-13-09 06:23 AM   #34 
     - Every time you get in the car, you wonder: is this the ride that will take my home, my life?  Oregone   May-13-09 12:06 AM   #10 
     - Living if fear is worse that injecting yourself with blood flood a deiseased rat  Grinchie   May-13-09 02:47 AM   #26 
  - It's not gonna happen. And for good reason: the voters don't want it.  Honeycombe8   May-12-09 11:55 PM   #3 
  - Wrong, Wrong, Wrong - The American Oligarchs Don't Want It  lostnotforgotten   May-12-09 11:56 PM   #4 
  - Reality doesn't mean we need to give up the fight for it.  Bolo Boffin   May-12-09 11:57 PM   #5 
  - Don't Repeat The Right Wing Oligarch Meme - The American Do Want Single Payer  lostnotforgotten   May-12-09 11:59 PM   #7 
     - I don't know anyone, not one person, who wants a public system only.  Honeycombe8   May-13-09 12:11 AM   #12 
     - Everyone I know, with the exception of one dittohead freeper, wants  Lorien   May-13-09 02:04 AM   #23 
     - Perhaps you live in a Secure Gated Community.  Grinchie   May-13-09 03:02 AM   #29 
     - Spotted As A Health Insurance Cheerleader - How's That Working For You By The Way?  lostnotforgotten   May-13-09 06:29 AM   #40 
     - I'm all for it if you can assure me that it won't be like Medicaid  ecstatic   May-13-09 12:30 AM   #18 
  - Don't even Start A Flame War On This Issue - I Lived The Hell For 5 Years  lostnotforgotten   May-12-09 11:58 PM   #6 
  - sounds like our HMO but that HMO is for profit lol (starts with bluuuuuuuue) nt  msongs   May-13-09 12:00 AM   #8 
  - "But they narrowed it down to two candidates, neither of whom thought single-payer would be the way"  Oregone   May-13-09 12:09 AM   #11 
  - I voted for O. I read his campaign website, where his plans on the  Honeycombe8   May-13-09 12:18 AM   #15 
  - You picked the right man.  babylonsister   May-13-09 12:23 AM   #17 
  - Nice of you to tell me why I voted for Obama. Sounds like  firedupdem   May-13-09 12:22 AM   #16 
     - Not really...  Oregone   May-13-09 12:35 AM   #19 
  - The MSM narrowed the race down to two candidates  dflprincess   May-13-09 12:16 AM   #13 
  - The horror stories are being brought to you by the same people  dgibby   May-13-09 12:16 AM   #14 
  - Not sure whos Navy you were in.  Thothmes   May-13-09 06:55 PM   #57 
  - according to an AP poll from 2007, most Americans support single-payer  JustinL   May-13-09 02:03 AM   #22 
  - I lived in Germany for five years  JPettus   May-13-09 02:43 AM   #25 
  - What Corporate talking point wagone di you fall off of?  Grinchie   May-13-09 02:59 AM   #28 
  - of course you would start hearing horror stories now  livefreest   May-13-09 03:29 AM   #30 
  - The plan is not to "radically" switch. The plan is/was to offer a public plan as an option ...  Triana   May-13-09 05:51 AM   #33 
  - The voters do want it  Bluenorthwest   May-13-09 07:06 AM   #42 
  - The horror stories are greatly exaggerated.  subterranean   May-13-09 03:57 PM   #55 
  - Agreed..but we need to be REALISTIC!! n/t  vaberella   May-13-09 01:12 AM   #20 
  - 40 Million Americans Want Solutions Not Realism - Fuck Realism!  lostnotforgotten   May-13-09 06:24 AM   #35 
     - Let me be frank.  vaberella   May-13-09 09:31 AM   #44 
        - Were the Cuban's being realistic with their Healthcare reform?  harun   May-13-09 03:47 PM   #54 
  - I don't agree with Obama on this issue, but ...  Puzzler   May-13-09 01:57 AM   #21 
  - In 2003 He Was A Supporter - Those Facts Posted Here At The Very DU  lostnotforgotten   May-13-09 06:24 AM   #36 
     - Show me the proof...  vaberella   May-13-09 09:32 AM   #45 
     - Well, he wasn't a supporter in 2008...  Puzzler   May-13-09 12:16 PM   #49 
  - Single Payer is paid by taxes in other countries.  FrenchieCat   May-13-09 02:22 AM   #24 
  - How stupid do you think I am to prefer a $450 a month "premium"--  eridani   May-13-09 05:44 AM   #32 
     - Tell It Eridani - Obama's Massive Fail Will Be His Legacy  lostnotforgotten   May-13-09 06:28 AM   #39 
        - Yawn. n/t  BzaDem   May-13-09 01:34 PM   #51 
  - Well, welcome to the real world where our president is not perfect and things work imperfectly.  elocs   May-13-09 02:54 AM   #27 
  - He Supported Single Payer Back In 2003 - He Can Support It Again  lostnotforgotten   May-13-09 06:27 AM   #38 
     - I think that Obama has found the realities of what he can or cannot do as president  elocs   May-13-09 06:52 AM   #41 
  - PEOPLE CALM DOWN  livefreest   May-13-09 03:34 AM   #31 
  - You Live Without Health Care Access For 5 Years And Then Tell Me To Calm Down!  lostnotforgotten   May-13-09 06:26 AM   #37 
     - I've lived without it for I can most definitely say "CALM DOWN!"  vaberella   May-13-09 09:34 AM   #46 
     - ok. point taken  livefreest   May-14-09 12:51 AM   #59 
  - Bullshit. Single Payer is not realistic. It would never happen with this Congress  Thrill   May-13-09 08:28 AM   #43 
  - Exactly. n/t  vaberella   May-13-09 11:02 AM   #48 
  - Shh. I'm sick and tired of your reasoned arguments and facts. n/t  BzaDem   May-13-09 01:41 PM   #52 
  - PROGRESSIVES MASSIVE FAIL: Believing THEIR way is the ONLY WAY. n/t  stevenleser   May-13-09 11:01 AM   #47 
  - the travelocity gnome sure is pissed, isn't he?  dionysus   May-13-09 12:18 PM   #50 
  - All Obama has to do is expand Medicare or Medicad...  and-justice-for-all   May-13-09 03:42 PM   #53 
  - K&R  Wednesdays   May-13-09 06:20 PM   #56 
  - So in your view, we shouldn't even be discussing other options?  Hippo_Tron   May-13-09 06:57 PM   #58 

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