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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 12:09 PM
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29. A silly, uninformed argument. But you knew that.
Do I really need to show you statistics on how much more likely it is that a gun will be used on its owner? Are you really unaware of that? Or do you just think the rest of don't understand simple reality?

As far as your ridiculous, knee-jerk straw man about "blood in the streets" isn't even much of a straw man anymore. Have you been watching the news the past few months? How many of these mass shooters were "law-abiding" citizens who just had their weapons for "self defense" -- right up until they blew out their two-year-old's brains while he was sitting in his high-chair? How much more "blood in the streets" do you require?


Since you're the one playing fast-and-loose with reality, why don't you back up your original claim? How many crazed meth dealers have been fought off by "innocent hikers" with a glock into their jogging shorts? Let's see some stats on that.


It's always the same with the gun fetishists. As soon as you lose a clear, common sense argument, you start yelling STATS!! STATS!! like a schoolyard bully calling for his mommy when his victim fights back. But you're free to spin whatever 24/Rambo/Die Hard fantasy you want without the least little obligation to back up your claims.

So let's see a few stats from you: you claim that a reduction in the availability of and access to lethal weaponry will NOT lead to a reduction in gun violence. Can you point to any study that backs you up? Anything? Has this ever even been tried in the US?

Oh, and since I know how you gunners play the game, make sure to include suicides in your research. For most of people, blowing your own brains out actually counts as "gun violence".



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  -Senate approve concealed weapons in national parks in Credit card bill Mass  May-12-09 06:37 PM   #0 
  - because the NRA runs congress lol nt  msongs   May-12-09 06:41 PM   #1 
  - Awesome. Mass shootings really cry out for a majestic natural setting  jgraz   May-12-09 06:42 PM   #2 
  - How will this law lead to mass shootings?  Irreverend IX   May-13-09 02:41 AM   #22 
     - The same way it leads to mass shootings everywhere  jgraz   May-13-09 09:46 AM   #25 
        - This has been predicted before...  Irreverend IX   May-13-09 11:08 AM   #26 
           - A silly, uninformed argument. But you knew that.  jgraz   May-13-09 12:09 PM   #29 
              - See links  X_Digger   May-13-09 12:36 PM   #30 
              - Nice sidestep. Now answer my question  jgraz   May-13-09 01:28 PM   #32 
                 - You seem to be equating..  X_Digger   May-13-09 01:58 PM   #34 
                    - Yes. Concealed carry makes no sense without concealable weapons  jgraz   May-13-09 03:21 PM   #39 
                       - You're assuming these folks  X_Digger   May-13-09 04:18 PM   #40 
                          - What does that have to do with anything?  jgraz   May-13-09 04:27 PM   #42 
                             - Are you honestly asserting..  X_Digger   May-13-09 04:48 PM   #46 
                                - I'm asserting that most of the gun legislation in this country is to make the gun lobby happy  jgraz   May-13-09 05:13 PM   #47 
                                   - The gun industry's lobbying arm is the NSSF,  X_Digger   May-14-09 07:56 AM   #49 
                                      - Right.... and the Teabagger parties were spontaneous, grass-roots events  jgraz   May-14-09 11:52 AM   #51 
                                         - I couldn't care less about teabaggery  X_Digger   May-14-09 12:53 PM   #52 
                                            - That's it. Don't educate yourself or think. Just piss on anyone who challenges your beliefs  jgraz   May-14-09 06:06 PM   #54 
                                               - Lol! I'm the one advocating  X_Digger   May-14-09 06:12 PM   #55 
                                                  - Yes, that's the NRA/GOP party line. It's a lie.  jgraz   May-14-09 07:06 PM   #56 
                                                  - You made my post for me..  X_Digger   May-14-09 07:22 PM   #57 
                                                  - More NRA/GOP talking points  jgraz   May-14-09 07:34 PM   #58 
                                                  - Care to make a coherent response? n/t  X_Digger   May-14-09 07:45 PM   #59 
                                                  - Right after you start showing a little intellectual honesty  jgraz   May-14-09 10:31 PM   #60 
                                                  - So actually refuting your assertions..  X_Digger   May-15-09 08:08 AM   #61 
                                                  - You might want to look up the definitions of "refuting" and "actually"  jgraz   May-15-09 01:39 PM   #62 
              - Great question - How many of the recent mass shooters were licensed to carry their weapons concealed  slackmaster   May-13-09 02:36 PM   #36 
                 - A completely irrelevant question. Many of these shootings happened in the home.  jgraz   May-13-09 03:19 PM   #38 
                    - Not irrelevant- it's the point of the article.  X_Digger   May-13-09 04:20 PM   #41 
                    - The point of the bill is to increase demand for concealable handguns  jgraz   May-13-09 04:29 PM   #43 
                       - Wrong - It's most likely a poison pill by members who want to kill the Credit Card bill  slackmaster   May-13-09 04:32 PM   #45 
                    - It's totally relevant - the OP is about allowing people with permits to carry in National Parks  slackmaster   May-13-09 04:30 PM   #44 
  - Goddamn cowardly fuckers scared shitless of the NRA  katandmoon   May-12-09 06:44 PM   #3 
  - They have guns, which means bullets, which means hurt or kill when it meets flesh.  vaberella   May-12-09 06:45 PM   #5 
  - I am happy with it  Mojorabbit   May-13-09 01:06 PM   #31 
  - Are you kidding me?! Republicans hate humans and want us dead...by other humans.  vaberella   May-12-09 06:44 PM   #4 
  - Not surprised by the GOPers. The amendment was sponsored by Coburn. But 26 Democrats + Sanders voted  Mass   May-12-09 06:46 PM   #7 
     - Ugh..you know...I understand the importance of this bill.  vaberella   May-12-09 06:50 PM   #9 
     - Maybe the party is starting to..  X_Digger   May-12-09 08:28 PM   #17 
     - Since Sanders is so on the right side  Cha   May-13-09 02:42 PM   #37 
  - Ridiculous! I am so sick of these clowns! What the hell are they  firedupdem   May-12-09 06:45 PM   #6 
  - Why should a person who met his or her state's qualifications and paid for a permit NOT be allowed  slackmaster   May-12-09 06:48 PM   #8 
  - What is s/he going to do with it in a park?! n/t  vaberella   May-12-09 06:51 PM   #11 
  - Same thing s/he does with it anywhere else, like shopping malls, etc.  slackmaster   May-12-09 08:28 PM   #16 
     - They're afraid of a shoot out in a mall or a park?! This isn't the old West or Death Wish...  vaberella   May-12-09 10:38 PM   #21 
        - Not necessarily a shoot-out  slackmaster   May-13-09 07:58 AM   #23 
        - IIRC this idea came about after a young woman was abducted last year from a national park  Cass   May-13-09 11:36 AM   #27 
  - Because only an idiot wants people to be able to tote guns into national parks.  damntexdem   May-12-09 06:55 PM   #13 
     - That's called poisoning the well, and it's a logical fallacy  slackmaster   May-12-09 08:29 PM   #18 
     - Sometimes I read comments like that  Abq_Sarah   May-14-09 01:14 PM   #53 
  - I wish this kind of poison pill thing was stopped.  Cass   May-12-09 06:51 PM   #10 
  - The House can leave it out and then gut it in conference.  damntexdem   May-12-09 06:52 PM   #12 
  - Are grocery stores, shopping malls, and city streets..  X_Digger   May-12-09 08:27 PM   #15 
  - Doesn't it still have to go to the House?  Thrill   May-12-09 06:56 PM   #14 
  - This is NOT good...!  TankLV   May-12-09 09:02 PM   #19 
  - Appeal to "common sense" is a logical fallacy in this context  slackmaster   May-13-09 08:00 AM   #24 
  - The Gun Issue is the only one the GOP still has  hollowdweller   May-12-09 09:48 PM   #20 
  - I wondered that too, Reid seemed really ticked off about it also.  a kennedy   May-13-09 11:39 AM   #28 
  - Reid was one of the Dems who voted AYE on this. If he was ticked, he could have voted NO.  Mass   May-14-09 08:47 AM   #50 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   May-13-09 01:28 PM   #33 
  - it's called a "poison pill" n/t  cwcwmack   May-13-09 02:07 PM   #35 
  - This credit-card reform bill merely locks the barn door after the horse has fled...  regnaD kciN   May-13-09 11:08 PM   #48 
 

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