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Response to Reply #186
187. Nice try. You're on your own. You can spin your web and get caught in it without help.
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  -Al Giordano's response to Naomi Klein's 'A Lexicon of Disappointment' article Jackeens  Apr-18-09 05:24 PM   #0 
  - Heh. If you just *define* a "true progressive" as somebody who voted for and now hates Obama....  BlooInBloo   Apr-18-09 05:25 PM   #1 
  - You beat me to it I was about to post this!  HopeOverFear   Apr-18-09 05:26 PM   #2 
  - LOL! (Left a message for you on the original thread)  Jackeens   Apr-18-09 05:28 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-09 05:34 PM   #4 
  - huh? What in this article, precisely, is racist, bigoted, misinformed  cali   Apr-18-09 05:49 PM   #20 
  - You haven't read it, then  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:10 PM   #48 
     - I read every word of it. And it is not racist, bigoted or elitest.  cali   Apr-18-09 06:29 PM   #64 
        - it's in the other thread Cali and that's the last time I'll try to get you to join those syllables  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:33 PM   #69 
           - Did Al Giordano come to DU and rewrite his post in the other thread?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-18-09 06:41 PM   #78 
  - I'm sorry, friend, but I honestly think you're really misreading Al Giordano.  scarletwoman   Apr-18-09 06:13 PM   #53 
  - "I think Naomi Klein made some good points badly"  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-18-09 06:17 PM   #55 
  - Good point and if we are to work together, it's helpful not to reinforce damaging stereotypes and  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:32 PM   #68 
  - This is also true.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-18-09 06:37 PM   #74 
     - "less than artful" -- that's the prollem!  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:47 PM   #81 
  - I have been advocating for YEARS that if there is to be a true progressive movement in this country,  scarletwoman   Apr-18-09 06:36 PM   #73 
     - Using "their" ideas to bludgeon each other doesn't channel that energy into something enduring or  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:49 PM   #82 
     - Especially because both agree on the CORE of the issue.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-18-09 06:52 PM   #83 
     - Well there it is.  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:53 PM   #85 
     - And that's exactly why we on the left haven't been getting anywhere since the 70s.  Odin2005   Apr-19-09 02:44 PM   #166 
     - That's why Obama stated that it's about "us" not him.  Odin2005   Apr-19-09 02:38 PM   #165 
  - Thank you scarletwoman. Unfortunately, he is reinforcing divisive stereotypes in order to put Klein  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:30 PM   #65 
  - I honestly don't see that. He's advocating for community organizing, for really getting down among  scarletwoman   Apr-18-09 07:02 PM   #87 
     - "Revealing a bizarre contempt and college-educated condescension toward a vast multi-racial swathe"  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 07:13 PM   #89 
        - Well, I think Naomi's language WAS condescending. At the very least it was unhelpful.  scarletwoman   Apr-18-09 07:26 PM   #92 
           - then you may not be among those being sideswiped in the opener.............  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 07:31 PM   #94 
              - I clearly don't see what you're seeing in the Giordano piece.  scarletwoman   Apr-18-09 07:54 PM   #96 
                 - his divisive pronouncements stand and reinforced cliches poison perceptions/discussion  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 07:59 PM   #97 
  - Well Said, My Friend!  The Magistrate   Apr-18-09 06:32 PM   #67 
     - Dear Magistrate! It's WONDERFUL to "see" you again!!!!  scarletwoman   Apr-18-09 06:43 PM   #79 
     - The Feeling Is Mutual, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Apr-18-09 06:53 PM   #84 
        - These days, I'm inclined more toward lurking as well.  scarletwoman   Apr-18-09 07:18 PM   #90 
        - Hence all the banking threads that were "critical" of Obama  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 07:19 PM   #91 
           - Eyes on the prize, comrades, eyes on the prize.  scarletwoman   Apr-18-09 07:31 PM   #93 
        - "people should remain on solid foundation, and recognize that a turn has begun:  Number23   Apr-18-09 09:02 PM   #106 
        - Same here!  Odin2005   Apr-19-09 02:49 PM   #170 
        - Ah Jesus - The Magistrate? I want your babies.  Jackeens   Apr-18-09 09:04 PM   #107 
     - Magistrate!!! Where the Hell have you been all this time!?!  Odin2005   Apr-19-09 02:47 PM   #169 
  - There IS no common ground to be found in writings that include "fan" in them.  DevonRex   Apr-18-09 11:03 PM   #114 
  - "progressive supporters and sympathizers of Obama and his movement" What "movement"?  scarletwoman   Apr-18-09 05:35 PM   #5 
  - Al Giordano is a treasure. His blog, The Field, was a must-read during the  NYCGirl   Apr-18-09 05:37 PM   #6 
  - and apparently a racist and elitist using Republicon talking points. You people are fallin for this?  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 05:41 PM   #8 
     - Apparently not. n/t  Cha   Apr-18-09 05:45 PM   #14 
     - what are the racist and elitest talking points?  cali   Apr-18-09 05:49 PM   #21 
     - The ones that don't bash Obama. n/t  geek tragedy   Apr-18-09 05:50 PM   #24 
     - see the thread this TOXIC OP came from, please.  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 05:51 PM   #27 
        - "Toxic"? Are you saying Giordano should be censored?  Jackeens   Apr-18-09 05:54 PM   #34 
        - By transferring this from the other thread, you have proven that people don't read for themselves  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:04 PM   #44 
           - Ah, so you DO want it censored? Okay.  Jackeens   Apr-18-09 06:07 PM   #47 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-09 06:11 PM   #49 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-18-09 06:13 PM   #51 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-18-09 06:13 PM   #52 
        - anything that doesn't bash obama is "divisive" and "toxic" to you. you're transparent as glass...  dionysus   Apr-19-09 12:21 PM   #141 
           - nonsense  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 01:31 PM   #146 
     - I don't get the point of your repeating those claims? "Racist & elitist?"..  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-19-09 01:47 AM   #122 
  - more  Pirate Smile   Apr-18-09 05:38 PM   #7 
  - ain't divisiveness a hoot?  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 05:42 PM   #9 
  - Naomi Klein  Cha   Apr-18-09 05:47 PM   #16 
  - Look don't drink the Kool Aid, please.  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 05:48 PM   #19 
     - oh fucking please. disagreeing with you or Klein is not de facto  cali   Apr-18-09 06:32 PM   #66 
     - saying she is "big on that divisive crap" is  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:54 PM   #86 
     - As you're drowning in it..  Cha   Apr-18-09 06:39 PM   #76 
     - And now with the Kool-Aid insult. I call utter bullshit on you.  DevonRex   Apr-19-09 11:24 AM   #134 
  - and the name calling Klein did in such an elitest manner is just dandy?  cali   Apr-18-09 05:50 PM   #26 
  - apparently you haven't read my take on it. see the thread this TOXIC OP came from  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 05:52 PM   #29 
     - you are the only one here being divisive.  mkultra   Apr-18-09 11:51 PM   #117 
  - Physician, heal thyself  SoxFan   Apr-18-09 06:21 PM   #60 
     - see the other thread, Beavis. Duh. May be the last time I try that sort of thing here.  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:35 PM   #70 
  - whew chile that last paragraph is the TRUTH!  HopeOverFear   Apr-18-09 05:45 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-09 05:47 PM   #17 
     - Want some cheese to go with that . . . . ? n/t  geek tragedy   Apr-18-09 05:50 PM   #22 
     - Thank you Beavis, I'll pass.  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 05:52 PM   #31 
     - I have that person on ignore LOL so I was spared from teh stupid  HopeOverFear   Apr-18-09 05:57 PM   #37 
        - I gave it a little leeway to see if there  geek tragedy   Apr-18-09 06:00 PM   #41 
           - LOL!  HopeOverFear   Apr-18-09 06:02 PM   #42 
           - your friend is lying b/c was just in the thread OP'd this BS came from. Which you didn't read.  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:05 PM   #45 
     - all YOU are doing in this thead is throwing out accusations or right wing and bigot  cali   Apr-18-09 05:56 PM   #36 
        - Cali. Get a grip. SEE THE OP THAT THIS TOXIC DIVISIVE RACIST "ELITIST" CRAP OP CAME FROM  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 05:59 PM   #40 
           - ok, you really are loosing it. you aren't even making sense here.  cali   Apr-18-09 06:25 PM   #61 
  - I love Al. nt  DevonRex   Apr-19-09 11:47 AM   #137 
  - The "intellectual masturbation" remark is right on target.  Odin2005   Apr-19-09 02:56 PM   #172 
  - An Excellent Article, Ma'am: Thank You For Sharing It  The Magistrate   Apr-18-09 05:42 PM   #10 
  - How do you justify the racist and elitist and RW Talking Point aspects, Dear Magistrate?  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 05:50 PM   #25 
     - Please explain which RW talking points you mean?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-18-09 05:52 PM   #30 
     - Have you read the piece?  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 05:53 PM   #32 
        - Yes. I don't see RW talking points.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-18-09 05:58 PM   #39 
           - oh holy shit. if this is as good as it gets, no wonder we fight all the time. Thank you SCQ  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:12 PM   #50 
     - None Stood Out To Me, Sir  The Magistrate   Apr-18-09 06:06 PM   #46 
        - thank you, worthy of a reply and then the stupid snark at the end about Berkeley  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:14 PM   #54 
           - There Is Nothing Racist or Elitist In The Article, Sir  The Magistrate   Apr-18-09 06:18 PM   #57 
              - Wrong.  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:25 PM   #62 
                 - Hard To Refute Such A Detailed And Well-Developed Rebuttal, Sir....  The Magistrate   Apr-18-09 06:27 PM   #63 
                    - You lost me at Berkeley, Ma'am  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:36 PM   #72 
                       - Took A Wrong Turn At Albequerque, Myself, Sir....  The Magistrate   Apr-18-09 06:38 PM   #75 
  - I have Al Giordano and  Cha   Apr-18-09 05:44 PM   #11 
  - So that's how you see "white progressives" including your fellow DUers?  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 05:54 PM   #33 
  - This is what I took away from Klein's article...  rucky   Apr-18-09 05:44 PM   #12 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-18-09 05:55 PM   #35 
  - Rec'd...thanks! n/t  firedupdem   Apr-18-09 05:46 PM   #15 
  - Thank you for posting this.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-18-09 05:47 PM   #18 
  - Minorities who favor Barack Obama anywhere from 70 to 90%  FrenchieCat   Apr-18-09 05:50 PM   #23 
  - yep...that's the only reason we voted for him. I wonder why I didn't  firedupdem   Apr-18-09 05:51 PM   #28 
  - The worst part of this level of willful ignorance is all the diligent, insightful work Ms. Klein has  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 05:57 PM   #38 
  - What racism? You keep saying that with nothing to back it up.  firedupdem   Apr-18-09 06:02 PM   #43 
  - read the thread this TOXIC BS was imported from. and by all means, think for yourself.  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:17 PM   #56 
  - I've read it and I always think for myself. I think you're having  firedupdem   Apr-18-09 06:19 PM   #59 
     - If you read it you wouldn't have asked #46  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:40 PM   #77 
  - It's imaginary. This poster has been called upon, numerous times, to  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-19-09 02:03 AM   #123 
     - Yeah...lots of condescension but no detailed replies  October   Apr-19-09 05:06 PM   #178 
  - that's fucking it. how dare you? how fucking dare you accuse  cali   Apr-18-09 06:35 PM   #71 
  - I don't use the term "reverse racism" another RW talking point. There must be a better term.  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 06:46 PM   #80 
  - your uncritical adulation of Ms. Klein, is just sad. n/t  cali   Apr-18-09 07:03 PM   #88 
     - and you're misinterpretations are stunning.  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 07:44 PM   #95 
  - And I guess I voted for him out of  DevonRex   Apr-19-09 11:51 AM   #138 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-18-09 06:18 PM   #58 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-09 08:01 PM   #98 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-09 08:04 PM   #100 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-18-09 08:05 PM   #101 
  - Excellent article ...  RoyGBiv   Apr-18-09 08:02 PM   #99 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-09 08:19 PM   #102 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-09 08:21 PM   #103 
     - Speak of the Devil.....how's the birth cert search going?  Jackeens   Apr-18-09 08:22 PM   #104 
  - Damn, who rocks harder today?  Number23   Apr-18-09 08:57 PM   #105 
  - #23 again, Jackeens. This whole thread is just a great big bowl of Epic WIN!  Number23   Apr-18-09 09:10 PM   #108 
  - #23 yet again, Jackeens. You wouldn't by chance have saved any of those  Number23   Apr-18-09 09:21 PM   #109 
  - Thanks for posting. Good stuff.  jefferson_dem   Apr-18-09 09:26 PM   #110 
  - good thing it was prepackaged and no one here had to rebutt it themselves.  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 10:01 PM   #111 
  - I was curious about the defensive posture of your post until I looked through this thread...  jefferson_dem   Apr-18-09 10:11 PM   #112 
     - Well the post saying "Naomi can fuck off from now" shows where the holes (in common sense) are  omega minimo   Apr-18-09 11:21 PM   #115 
  - Naomi can fuck off from now on, as far as I'm concerned. nt  DevonRex   Apr-18-09 11:02 PM   #113 
     - DevonRex! I missed my buddy! I should have known you would  firedupdem   Apr-18-09 11:39 PM   #116 
        - Hey firedupdem! Oh, but apparently I have a logic problem, lol!!!  DevonRex   Apr-19-09 11:43 AM   #136 
  - I love this excerpt.  Uzybone   Apr-19-09 12:05 AM   #118 
  - yeah, that's really great total divisive bullshit  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 01:30 AM   #120 
  - Whew!  Realtalk   Apr-19-09 12:49 AM   #119 
  - It made me cry.....just a bit.  FrenchieCat   Apr-19-09 01:38 AM   #121 
  - Smackdown of the Century? I resent being labeled a "superfan" simply...  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-19-09 02:08 AM   #124 
  - I do too. It was also intentionally insulting. For that, she'll get  DevonRex   Apr-19-09 11:55 AM   #139 
     - And contempt is precisely what is called for here. I don't envy her  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-19-09 12:49 PM   #142 
        - Let's hope so, eh? And your post was very well written, by the way.  DevonRex   Apr-19-09 04:36 PM   #176 
  - She stands united for president Obama.  Life Long Dem   Apr-19-09 06:53 AM   #125 
  - OMFG!!! Some people are to the *left* of Obama!  BlueEyedSon   Apr-19-09 08:15 AM   #126 
  - hardly germane to the discussion.  cali   Apr-19-09 08:16 AM   #127 
  - you have cali's permission  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 10:08 AM   #130 
  - The Naomi Kleins are the types of liberals that have caused liberals to be the minority for way too  NJmaverick   Apr-19-09 08:56 AM   #128 
  - "She is a poster child for clueless entitled elitist."  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 10:11 AM   #131 
     - I wouldn't argue that Klein is a doubled edged sword or even a loose cannon  NJmaverick   Apr-19-09 11:26 AM   #135 
        - Let's not drive the wedge ourselves.  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 01:30 PM   #145 
  - Very hard hitting rebuttal to the Klein article...  Spazito   Apr-19-09 10:02 AM   #129 
  - "Hard hitting" like a blunt force trauma.  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 10:16 AM   #132 
  - I disagree n/t  Spazito   Apr-19-09 10:23 AM   #133 
  - But he has the numbers to back him up  Hello_Kitty   Apr-19-09 01:21 PM   #143 
  - She didn't say that "Obama is turning off progressives"  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 01:35 PM   #148 
  - Omega, the big mistake you made here is  stevenleser   Apr-19-09 01:37 PM   #150 
     - Actually this thread is a continuation of Omega's OP.  Starry Messenger   Apr-19-09 01:56 PM   #153 
     - no, it's not. this thread is simply the posting of an article.  cali   Apr-19-09 02:02 PM   #155 
     - No, it isn't.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-19-09 02:07 PM   #156 
        - Why is there a link to the other thread in the OP?  Starry Messenger   Apr-19-09 02:21 PM   #158 
        - Because it's giving credit to the person that found the article, not calling the OP out.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-19-09 02:22 PM   #160 
           - .  Starry Messenger   Apr-19-09 02:32 PM   #163 
        - which referenced and linked to the other thread and was supported with the worst DU tactics possible  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 02:25 PM   #161 
           - The person who mentioned the other thread more than any other was *you*.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-19-09 02:27 PM   #162 
              - I did NOT "choose one of the most inflammatory pieces of the article for your headline"  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 02:45 PM   #167 
                 - You had no idea that the word "superfan" would be radioactive on DU? Really?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-19-09 02:52 PM   #171 
                 - you can't take my post at face value b/c you would have to question your own assumptions  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 07:27 PM   #183 
                 - wow. you need to take a deep breath and quit with the martyred drama queen  cali   Apr-19-09 03:23 PM   #174 
                    - It's so funny how all your accusations sound like you're talking about yourself  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 07:11 PM   #182 
     - We are talking about opportunities to drop defensive and divisive attitudes or perpetuate them  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 02:21 PM   #159 
  - I agree. Since I was angry myself at Naomi's condescending attitude  DevonRex   Apr-19-09 11:58 AM   #140 
     - It still seemed possible to look  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 01:22 PM   #144 
        - If finding common ground is what you seek  namahage   Apr-19-09 01:59 PM   #154 
           - That is a perfectly reasonable and peaceful statement and I am VERY SORRY if you can't see that.  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 02:13 PM   #157 
              - Are racist comments on DU perfectly reasonable and peaceful too?  Jackeens   Apr-19-09 02:35 PM   #164 
                 - Apparently the despicable tactics you used yesterday are mysteriously okay for you to inflict on DU  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 02:47 PM   #168 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-19-09 03:17 PM   #173 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-19-09 07:09 PM   #181 
                    - As my Granny used to say, "drink's a curse". Liars too.  Jackeens   Apr-19-09 08:01 PM   #184 
                       - Keep it up, maybe you'll manage to get banned.  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 08:06 PM   #185 
                          - 4008 views for the article you wanted censored.....no wonder you're enraged, omega minimo.  Jackeens   Apr-19-09 08:09 PM   #186 
                             - Nice try. You're on your own. You can spin your web and get caught in it without help.  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 08:20 PM   #187 
                                - 4052.  Jackeens   Apr-19-09 08:23 PM   #188 
                                   - 4053  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 08:24 PM   #189 
                                      - Wrong: 4062.  Jackeens   Apr-19-09 08:25 PM   #190 
                                         - have a nice wank.  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 08:30 PM   #191 
                                            - 4078.  Jackeens   Apr-19-09 08:31 PM   #192 
  - Klein made several valid points in her essay but was needlessly insulting.  Hello_Kitty   Apr-19-09 01:34 PM   #147 
  - Well he succeeded in setting himself & HiS fans outside - & hardened the shell of - "her bubble"  omega minimo   Apr-19-09 01:37 PM   #149 
  - 88% approval among Democrats.  Hello_Kitty   Apr-19-09 01:48 PM   #152 
  - Naomi Klein is not only insulting ..she's  Cha   Apr-19-09 01:41 PM   #151 
     - Actually I find her essay completely self indulgent  grantcart   Apr-19-09 04:08 PM   #175 
        - and that's spot on.  cali   Apr-19-09 04:39 PM   #177 
  - I like Obama, I don't like his crew.  Grinchie   Apr-19-09 05:27 PM   #179 
  - actually, he did campaign to the middle  cali   Apr-19-09 05:34 PM   #180 
  - you realize you're replying to a parody, right?  omega minimo   Apr-20-09 12:33 AM   #194 
  - Then perhaps Naomi should have climbed down from her ivory tower...  Tarheel_Dem   Apr-20-09 12:07 AM   #193 
     - i could read that carefully boxed "quote" that seemed entirely ludicrous  omega minimo   Apr-20-09 12:50 AM   #195 
  - Kick n/t  ihavenobias   Apr-22-09 06:47 PM   #196 
 

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