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30. Yup. Exactly. I'm fine with this. (nt)
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  -See Feingold gets it. People aren't actually listening to what Obama and Holder said Thrill  Apr-16-09 10:01 PM   #0 
  - these are facts  CTLawGuy   Apr-16-09 10:03 PM   #1 
  - Obama and Holder are very smart. If you read the statements. They are very carefully worded  Thrill   Apr-16-09 10:11 PM   #4 
  - Carefully Worded, You Mean Like A "Sternly Worded Letter"?  Dinger   Apr-17-09 08:39 AM   #59 
  - More like carefully worded so that they can still go after the guys who  The Hope Mobile   Apr-17-09 11:27 AM   #87 
     - as well as the guys giving the orders. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-17-09 02:35 PM   #102 
  - We liked that about Obama..  Cha   Apr-17-09 12:18 PM   #93 
     - Think Progress agrees.  ginnyinWI   Apr-17-09 01:49 PM   #100 
     - I learned it too..too  Cha   Apr-17-09 05:34 PM   #122 
     - OH  MNBrewer   Apr-17-09 09:02 PM   #127 
  - Well it's hard to run around like Chicken Little...  urgk   Apr-17-09 07:51 AM   #55 
  - The "fact" is that these memos were written AFTER the torture program began  EFerrari   Apr-17-09 03:45 PM   #113 
  - Let's review  alcibiades_mystery   Apr-16-09 10:07 PM   #2 
  - Yep... that's about it  scheming daemons   Apr-16-09 10:10 PM   #3 
  - +1 !!!  uponit7771   Apr-16-09 10:12 PM   #5 
  - Yep. "Just following orders" doesn't excuse war crimes. . .  pat_k   Apr-16-09 10:30 PM   #16 
  - They weren't White House memos  alcibiades_mystery   Apr-16-09 10:53 PM   #22 
  - Sorry. Used White House as short for "Executive Branch". . .  pat_k   Apr-16-09 11:33 PM   #32 
     - It can just as easily be read as an attempt to get a ruling  alcibiades_mystery   Apr-16-09 11:55 PM   #36 
        - "resign immediately" is precisely what any person  pat_k   Apr-17-09 04:28 AM   #49 
           - Nice speech  alcibiades_mystery   Apr-17-09 07:34 AM   #53 
           - Well you say one thing, Bush's Justice Department said otherwise  high density   Apr-17-09 07:44 AM   #54 
           - To bow to legalistic "opinion" that is contrary to  pat_k   Apr-17-09 09:32 AM   #65 
           - The first thing I was taught in boot camp, back in '69 was,  Dr.Phool   Apr-17-09 09:41 AM   #67 
              - Ah, but that's where the DOJ ju jitsu came in  HamdenRice   Apr-17-09 09:50 AM   #68 
              - It don't wash. We're talking adults here. Who know right from wrong.  Dr.Phool   Apr-17-09 10:20 AM   #76 
                 - Justice said it was lawful. "They knew better" isn't a way to prosecute these people  high density   Apr-17-09 10:35 AM   #79 
                 - Did Germany have a justice department??  pocoloco   Apr-17-09 09:17 PM   #129 
                 - You're mixing a lot of different cases  HamdenRice   Apr-17-09 10:44 AM   #80 
              - Hear, Hear! We never delegate such power without attendant duties  pat_k   Apr-17-09 10:13 AM   #73 
           - Thank you. This is what the military does when they cannot follow an order  davidwparker   Apr-17-09 12:54 PM   #96 
           - Even when, upon their own initiative, they asked the highest legal  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-17-09 02:48 PM   #103 
              - Absolutely. Why do you think we apply the ultimate penalty to. . .  pat_k   Apr-18-09 01:30 PM   #133 
  - exactly, They went to DoJ for exactly the reason  xxqqqzme   Apr-17-09 11:01 AM   #84 
  - I once read an interview with a former Gitmo guard who said that  tblue37   Apr-17-09 08:55 PM   #126 
     - All the "reasons" you cite can certainly be presented in ones defense. . ,  pat_k   Apr-18-09 01:54 PM   #134 
  - Yep. I'd have been so afraid of the fucking VP and HIS minions I'd have  cliffordu   Apr-17-09 12:55 AM   #40 
  - Yeah. n/t  vaberella   Apr-17-09 12:58 AM   #41 
  - Thats it in a nutshell. I don't blame the lower level people. I blame those in charge.  Jennicut   Apr-17-09 06:46 AM   #52 
  - Ahhhhhhhhh yup!  Shanti Mama   Apr-17-09 11:04 AM   #85 
  - too costly and meddlesome to spend time on the field operatives  underpants   Apr-17-09 12:02 PM   #90 
  - Excuse me while I........  Clio the Leo   Apr-16-09 10:14 PM   #6 
  - I want to hear that prosecutions are taking place. I haven't heard that yet.  rateyes   Apr-16-09 10:17 PM   #7 
  - Let's see if Senators Leahy and Whitehouse are still planning  bdamomma   Apr-17-09 10:18 AM   #75 
  - Also Feingold has it right on the FISA bill...  slipslidingaway   Apr-16-09 10:17 PM   #8 
  - +1. n/t  vaberella   Apr-17-09 01:00 AM   #43 
  - Thanks, ACLU filed a lawsuit the same day the FISA bill passed...  slipslidingaway   Apr-17-09 10:32 AM   #77 
  - Let me just say how proud I am of our brave and smart Senator  midnight   Apr-17-09 12:21 PM   #94 
  - that is just ignorant!  rufus dog   Apr-16-09 10:18 PM   #9 
  - I haven't seen where anyone has been a focal point of anything.  mmonk   Apr-16-09 11:04 PM   #24 
  - Yes, it hasn't happened yet, so therefore it never will  HughMoran   Apr-16-09 11:36 PM   #34 
  - The Jail guards did not get away scott free from the Nazi  MadMaddie   Apr-17-09 12:43 AM   #39 
     - No the guards did not get away  Bluenorthwest   Apr-17-09 07:56 AM   #57 
        - I hate to keep pointing this out to people but.  zeemike   Apr-17-09 09:12 AM   #62 
        - So America was attacked form the inside and there is no punishment for the attackers.  peace13   Apr-17-09 12:11 PM   #91 
           - I feel the same outrage as you do.  zeemike   Apr-17-09 02:19 PM   #101 
           - We might see a little show..  stillcool   Apr-17-09 09:20 PM   #130 
        - And former DOD secretary McNamara says the US committed war crimes as well  HamdenRice   Apr-17-09 09:53 AM   #69 
        - Actually, they weren't. They were executed for murdering prisoners.  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-17-09 03:03 PM   #104 
  - Feingold equals Boosh  jefferson_dem   Apr-16-09 10:19 PM   #10 
  - That's one of the funniest things I've read on DU ever.  PeaceNikki   Apr-18-09 10:36 AM   #132 
  - But knee jerk reactions are so much more passionate than thinking about stuff  cherish44   Apr-16-09 10:21 PM   #11 
  - Roger that.  havocmom   Apr-16-09 10:25 PM   #14 
     - I've done more of that in the past month than I ever did in the primaries.  Pacifist Patriot   Apr-17-09 06:02 AM   #51 
  - Thanks for posting this and thank goodness for Russ.  KaryninMiami   Apr-16-09 10:23 PM   #12 
  - Thanks Russ  Uzybone   Apr-16-09 10:24 PM   #13 
  - Kick  angee_is_mad   Apr-16-09 10:28 PM   #15 
  - awww now see, now you've just ruined it  HopeOverFear   Apr-16-09 10:31 PM   #17 
  - Ashcroft Suggests CIA Started Torturing, Then Sought Legal Cover  slipslidingaway   Apr-16-09 10:31 PM   #18 
  - wow  Aloha Spirit   Apr-16-09 11:28 PM   #31 
  - Yes, thanks to Solly Mack for her thread n/t  slipslidingaway   Apr-17-09 10:33 AM   #78 
  - Good point  jeanpalmer   Apr-17-09 12:39 AM   #38 
     - I don't agree. I think you've underestimated the President's method.  vaberella   Apr-17-09 01:04 AM   #44 
     - I hope so  jeanpalmer   Apr-17-09 02:51 AM   #48 
     - Yes there is room, but President Obama's statement...  slipslidingaway   Apr-17-09 10:49 AM   #83 
  - yeah, & that could be wishful thinking. Because I heard him say we have to "look forward,"  ima_sinnic   Apr-16-09 10:31 PM   # 
  - Blah blah blah. So what DOES it mean? Does it mean Obama WILL prosecute criminal behavior?  katandmoon   Apr-16-09 10:31 PM   #19 
  - +1  ima_sinnic   Apr-16-09 10:32 PM   #20 
  - Actually if you took a step back and paid attention than mouthing off...  vaberella   Apr-17-09 01:08 AM   #45 
  - Not buying it. Obama is president. It's up to him to LEAD. Not twiddle his thumbs until public  katandmoon   Apr-17-09 09:38 AM   #66 
     - I agree.  peace13   Apr-17-09 12:55 PM   #97 
     - WE DON'T NEED A FUCKING LEADER!!!!!!!  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-17-09 03:21 PM   #107 
        - Bingo! stlsaxman hi5's RaleighNCDUer!  stlsaxman   Apr-17-09 05:40 PM   #124 
  - Obama is not the AG. He will NEVER prosecute anyone. It is not in  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-17-09 03:14 PM   #106 
  - Bingo x2!! stlsaxman hi5's RaleighNCDUer twice!!  stlsaxman   Apr-17-09 05:43 PM   #125 
  - Better to keep them guessing, I say. Until it's all sewn up.  NoSheep   Apr-17-09 04:50 PM   #117 
  - The "good faith" argument is perhaps a rather fragile one, at best.  chill_wind   Apr-16-09 10:33 PM   #21 
  - And they knew it when they said it -  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-17-09 03:26 PM   #108 
     - Good points! n/t  chill_wind   Apr-17-09 05:25 PM   #121 
  - The Nuremburg Defense was rejected as nonsense.  GeorgeGist   Apr-16-09 10:57 PM   #23 
  - Except that this wasn't "I was just following orders."  eyesroll   Apr-16-09 11:09 PM   #25 
     - Important distinction.  MarjorieG   Apr-16-09 11:14 PM   #27 
     - This is a very, very difficult concept for the outragers to grasp NM  high density   Apr-17-09 07:52 AM   #56 
     - Except that the folks who said 'just following orders'  Bluenorthwest   Apr-17-09 09:12 AM   #63 
     - Under *US* law, the people in the field shouldn''t be found guilty.  eyesroll   Apr-17-09 01:43 PM   #99 
     - Wrong. The "just following orders" defense was used by Nazis who  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-17-09 03:36 PM   #110 
     - Exactly. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-17-09 03:27 PM   #109 
  - One would like to believe that interpretation  depakid   Apr-16-09 11:11 PM   #26 
  - Most of the government is worried about being held responsible for torture but,  kster   Apr-16-09 11:15 PM   #28 
  - Similiar to the Finnish War Responsibility Trials  Kaleva   Apr-16-09 11:25 PM   #29 
  - Yup. Exactly. I'm fine with this. (nt)  w4rma   Apr-16-09 11:28 PM   #30 
  - I'm counting on this to be exactly so. I do not want to suffer disappointment of such magnitude.  Mira   Apr-16-09 11:36 PM   #33 
  - A sane adult!  Undercurrent   Apr-16-09 11:37 PM   #35 
  - well if we actually have to listen to the guy your going to take all the fun out of it.  grantcart   Apr-17-09 12:12 AM   #37 
  - I haven't seen you in ages GC..glad to see you posting. I'd love to see a thread of your views on  vaberella   Apr-17-09 01:09 AM   #46 
     - Nice to see you again.  grantcart   Apr-17-09 03:50 PM   #114 
  - Feingold has been disappointed before with his hopes for Obama.  Political Heretic   Apr-17-09 12:59 AM   #42 
  - Like about what?  FrenchieCat   Apr-17-09 01:27 AM   #47 
     - Obama's flip flop on FISA. n/t  seaglass   Apr-17-09 04:37 AM   #50 
        - Indeed. Russ is not afraid to criticize Obama when he disagrees. Also see his statement on  PeaceNikki   Apr-17-09 09:18 AM   #64 
  - The actual one's who did the job are free--other's still on the hook...............  biopowertoday   Apr-17-09 07:59 AM   #58 
  - This is the reverse of the usual pattern, in which the big fish go free  Jackpine Radical   Apr-17-09 10:11 AM   #72 
  - Now Senator Feingold needs to pressure the Dems and the Executive  MasonJar   Apr-17-09 08:44 AM   #60 
  - This is why I contribute to the Feingold campaign..  4dsc   Apr-17-09 09:10 AM   #61 
  - Ax falls: "Bush administration's lawyers and top officials were complicit in torture"  L. Coyote   Apr-17-09 10:08 AM   #70 
  - You Know Cheney's Team of Lawyers (tm) is poring over that statement with a fine toothed comb.  paparush   Apr-17-09 10:09 AM   #71 
  - FInally, someone who actually listens, which is pretty easy to do  Phx_Dem   Apr-17-09 10:15 AM   #74 
  - In the Nuremberg Trials it was the top guys not the foot soldiers  jwirr   Apr-17-09 10:44 AM   #81 
  - I am sick of "carefully worded" spin, TORTURE IS ILLEGAL, therefore, one Must prosecute  grahamhgreen   Apr-17-09 10:45 AM   #82 
  - Prosecute  democrank   Apr-17-09 11:14 AM   #86 
  - Start making calls, write letters to your representatives, and LTTE's.  alfredo   Apr-17-09 11:35 AM   #89 
     - That will work....not.  peace13   Apr-17-09 12:30 PM   #95 
        - A good general picks the time and place to fight. I think he wants to get  alfredo   Apr-17-09 03:12 PM   #105 
           - I do hope that you are correct.  peace13   Apr-17-09 04:20 PM   #115 
              - I hope so too. Spain seemed to make me think that we will be acting against  alfredo   Apr-17-09 04:55 PM   #118 
  - I hope Senator Feingold is right.  JDPriestly   Apr-17-09 11:30 AM   #88 
  - The complainers on DU again miss the point.  brindis_desala   Apr-17-09 12:15 PM   #92 
  - I hope for prosecutions based on detainee abuse. I also hope that  wiggs   Apr-17-09 01:21 PM   #98 
  - Big K&R!  Mme. Defarge   Apr-17-09 03:41 PM   #111 
  - I get it and it's not true in addition to being morally bankrupt. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-17-09 03:44 PM   #112 
  - Thank you so much for this post! Finally. Finally...maybe the naysayers will  NoSheep   Apr-17-09 04:47 PM   #116 
  - I trust Feingold on this one and will take a chill pill  ejbr   Apr-17-09 05:07 PM   #119 
  - There is no rationale nor any excuse.  edc   Apr-17-09 05:21 PM   #120 
  - So in Nuremberg they should have just gone after Hitler?  santamargarita   Apr-17-09 05:37 PM   #123 
  - No-one who condoned or used torture acted in good faith.  burning rain   Apr-17-09 09:16 PM   #128 
  - I sure do hope Feingold is right  derby378   Apr-17-09 09:22 PM   #131 

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