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164. But when you just say that without giving the context it leaves a false impression
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 08:37 PM by Bjorn Against
I don't know if you noticed this but your post was deleted because it was in violation of the rules, you can't pull my words out of context and post on various threads across this site. I don't have time to be looking at various threads for the out of context quotes that you attack me with so I can defend myself, if you want to debate I will debate you but I am not going to put up with you taking my words out of context to try to discredit me.
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  -PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama Tax Pledge Up In Smoke Purveyor  Apr-01-09 11:49 AM   #0 
  - Good, maybe a few more people will quit...  polichick   Apr-01-09 11:51 AM   #1 
  - They probably will  DJ13   Apr-01-09 11:55 AM   #7 
  - You can tax my monkeysex all you want.  Teaser   Apr-01-09 11:56 AM   #8 
  - So we should tax vegetable oil?  DJ13   Apr-01-09 11:57 AM   #10 
  - yes.  Teaser   Apr-01-09 11:58 AM   #11 
  - monkeysex?  davidpdx   Apr-03-09 04:46 AM   #217 
  - Truthfully, I would gladly pay an additional gas tax of about two dollars...  polichick   Apr-01-09 11:58 AM   #12 
  - Thats not a personal vice  DJ13   Apr-01-09 12:00 PM   #13 
     - Well those aren't very bad for a person, but I'd have no problem...  polichick   Apr-01-09 12:08 PM   #18 
        - You do know that it costs less to care for a smoker over their lifetime than it does a nonsmoker...  Leftist Agitator   Apr-01-09 04:03 PM   #77 
           - LOL - that early death thing is a real money saver! Maybe you should...  polichick   Apr-01-09 04:13 PM   #80 
              - ...  redqueen   Apr-01-09 04:17 PM   #83 
  - I'd be thrilled if they would legalize, then tax the shit out of, marijuana. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-01-09 02:41 PM   #66 
  - good point..  flaminbats   Apr-01-09 02:53 PM   #73 
  - Yeah, what's  laugle   Apr-01-09 04:15 PM   #81 
     - sorry..I don't need tobacco to survive  flaminbats   Apr-01-09 05:48 PM   #114 
     - Taxing junk food isn't a bad idea...  polichick   Apr-01-09 05:51 PM   #117 
        - The problem with this, like all regressive taxes, is it hurts the lower class more than anyone else.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:26 PM   #143 
           - Well, I would sure trade junk food for high-quality food and smokes for health care.  polichick   Apr-01-09 06:34 PM   #147 
           - Too bad not one smoker is going to be helped by it.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 07:33 PM   #157 
           - health care is a get through the day cost..  flaminbats   Apr-01-09 06:51 PM   #148 
              - Smokers aren't even going to be helped by this program.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 07:33 PM   #156 
  - you missed the point.  biopowertoday   Apr-01-09 01:28 PM   #49 
  - No I didn't - it's a tax that one can "quit."  polichick   Apr-01-09 01:35 PM   #52 
     - It's basically luxurizing a non-luxury that mostly the lower class enjoy.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 07:44 PM   #160 
     - It's still an optional activity, and thus an optional tax...  polichick   Apr-02-09 11:57 AM   #189 
     - Some studies show nicotine is more addicting than herion...  joeglow3   Apr-02-09 08:00 AM   #172 
        - My dad quit cold turkey, after growing up on a tobacco farm...  polichick   Apr-02-09 11:43 AM   #188 
           - Fine, but I hope you are consistent with all drugs nt.  joeglow3   Apr-02-09 03:35 PM   #191 
              - I'd like to see them all legal, all taxed - and help available for any user...  polichick   Apr-02-09 05:34 PM   #192 
  - I think, in the scheme of things, you are missing the greater point, that most people will not quit  RollWithIt   Apr-01-09 05:16 PM   #104 
     - Actually, my dad (who was raised on a tobacco farm) quit cold turkey...  polichick   Apr-01-09 05:20 PM   #105 
     - I'm not disagreeing with the premise of the tax going to good things...  RollWithIt   Apr-01-09 05:55 PM   #120 
     - That's just *NOT* true, I know *dozens of people* who are quitting over this.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 05:56 PM   #121 
        - See my reply #120  RollWithIt   Apr-01-09 07:22 PM   #153 
  - Remember, you don't have to pay taxes on tobacco if you order through the mail.  billyoc   Apr-01-09 11:52 AM   #2 
  - Customs will start cracking down on mail order cigs, you just watch.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:00 PM   #124 
  - I'll be watching, alright. The more they crack down on mail order smokes,  billyoc   Apr-01-09 06:07 PM   #130 
     - Yep, with RYO taxes jumping 2400% the people will find other ways.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:12 PM   #133 
  - States require payment of "use tax" for things you buy out of state  slackmaster   Apr-01-09 06:17 PM   #137 
     - Does anyone? Maintaining e-commerce taxes is extraoridnarily difficult.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:22 PM   #141 
     - I will not pay "use taxes" and I advise everyone else to refuse to pay them.  billyoc   Apr-01-09 08:06 PM   #162 
     - How do the states keep track?  avaistheone1   Apr-02-09 05:40 PM   #193 
        - It's basically voluntary, some e-commerce sites do add them in.  joshcryer   Apr-02-09 06:10 PM   #204 
        - On most purchases there is no way to track it, compliance is mostly voluntary  slackmaster   Apr-02-09 07:50 PM   #210 
  - considering the burden they put on the healthcare system, I'm fine with taxing the crap out of them.  GarbagemanLB   Apr-01-09 11:52 AM   #3 
  - Fat people put as much, if not more, of a burden on the system.  Celeborn Skywalker   Apr-01-09 12:52 PM   #40 
  - Damn right, tax all those lard asses  martymar64   Apr-01-09 05:02 PM   #96 
  - I wanna see a 2400% tax on hamburger meat.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:18 PM   #138 
  - Also alcoholics.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:16 PM   #136 
  - Your moralistic post misses the point--that Pres. Obama broke his promise.  biopowertoday   Apr-01-09 02:22 PM   #60 
  - i guess you finally got one on him  mkultra   Apr-02-09 10:32 AM   #187 
  - Sigh...  Leftist Agitator   Apr-01-09 04:07 PM   #78 
  - Yeah, it's basically a win win for the administration. However, people *will* quit due to the hike.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:30 PM   #145 
  - what do you say to rounding up all HIV+ people and do something with them?  friedgreentomatoes   Apr-02-09 11:27 PM   #212 
  - I can think of a way that the people "affected" by this can pay zero% of this tax  Teaser   Apr-01-09 11:54 AM   #4 
  - Smoking killed my grandfather, father, brother...  azmouse   Apr-01-09 11:54 AM   #5 
  - It killed my dad as well at age 55 in 2003  davidpdx   Apr-03-09 04:45 AM   #216 
  - A lot depends on what the definition of a campaign promise is  bluestateguy   Apr-01-09 11:55 AM   #6 
  - you don't have to pay this tax  CreekDog   Apr-01-09 11:57 AM   #9 
  - Does this qualify?  redqueen   Apr-01-09 12:02 PM   #14 
  - Actually I agree he broke a promise  DJ13   Apr-01-09 12:05 PM   #17 
  - It seems to me you'd be in a distinct minority there.  redqueen   Apr-01-09 12:08 PM   #19 
  - What ever happened to the liberal ideal of letting people live their lives  DJ13   Apr-01-09 12:11 PM   #21 
     - doesnt mean your right either.  mkultra   Apr-01-09 12:16 PM   #23 
     - Read Obama's quote above  DJ13   Apr-01-09 12:18 PM   #24 
        - i read it and understood it  mkultra   Apr-01-09 01:24 PM   #46 
           - You obviously dont know the definition of the word "any"  DJ13   Apr-01-09 02:47 PM   #68 
              - i don't care to equivocate to that level of minutia  mkultra   Apr-01-09 10:42 PM   #168 
     - How is raising the cigarette tax telling anyone how to behave? (nt)  redqueen   Apr-01-09 12:23 PM   #25 
     - Surely you're not that naive?  DJ13   Apr-01-09 12:31 PM   #29 
     - It's not the primary reason for the tax. Pretending it is is disingenuous. (nt)  redqueen   Apr-01-09 12:33 PM   #30 
        - Neither is increasing gas taxes  DJ13   Apr-01-09 12:38 PM   #33 
           - lol ok  shagsak   Apr-01-09 12:57 PM   #43 
     - It will drastically affect behavior in a predictable way.  krispos42   Apr-01-09 06:22 PM   #140 
        - That still doesn't mean it's the primary reason for the tax.  redqueen   Apr-02-09 09:08 AM   #174 
           - The primary reason for the tax...  krispos42   Apr-02-09 05:45 PM   #196 
              - So... you're saying Obama isn't raising taxes on the wealthy?  redqueen   Apr-02-09 05:52 PM   #200 
                 - I believe his tax plan includes raising the top tax brackets  krispos42   Apr-02-09 07:14 PM   #208 
     - That would be good if second hand smoking didn't affect the health  vaberella   Apr-01-09 01:37 PM   #54 
     - Good point.  redqueen   Apr-02-09 09:09 AM   #175 
     - You are exactly right - but I don't see that as a liberal idea  Samantha   Apr-02-09 06:18 PM   #205 
  - You have to raise revenues somewhere. The children's health program is not a one time thing.  Zynx   Apr-01-09 12:58 PM   #44 
  - AMEN!!  flaminbats   Apr-01-09 02:33 PM   #64 
  - I'd love to know  ohheckyeah   Apr-01-09 04:23 PM   #87 
     - in Georgia it's called the Hope Scholarship..  flaminbats   Apr-01-09 05:26 PM   #107 
  - Too bad in 14 states it doesn't even go to fund children because adults are using it.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:06 PM   #129 
  - Good point! nt  laugle   Apr-01-09 04:22 PM   #85 
  - sounds like a distortion to me.  mkultra   Apr-01-09 12:15 PM   #22 
  - Same here.  redqueen   Apr-01-09 12:26 PM   #26 
  - A tax is a tax. He broke his promise.  biopowertoday   Apr-01-09 01:27 PM   #47 
     - Yuh huh... welcome to DU.  redqueen   Apr-01-09 02:28 PM   #62 
     - Don't buy cigarettes. It's really that simple. Enjoy your stay.  DevonRex   Apr-01-09 02:47 PM   #67 
     - On second thought, keep supporting the corporations that are willingly killing  DevonRex   Apr-01-09 02:49 PM   #69 
        - Pot calling the kettle black. you are one hijacking this  biopowertoday   Apr-01-09 04:30 PM   #90 
           - Dude, this thread is ABOUTcigarettes.  DevonRex   Apr-01-09 04:56 PM   #94 
              - hey dudy, its about Pres. Obama breaking his pledge. Now you know.  biopowertoday   Apr-01-09 05:13 PM   #102 
                 - If you look around, you'll find you're definitely in the minority about that.  DevonRex   Apr-01-09 05:14 PM   #103 
                    - I am not going to follow your mentality of if the herd jumps  biopowertoday   Apr-01-09 05:46 PM   #112 
                    - that is the popularity fallacy  Lisalisa   Apr-02-09 10:29 AM   #185 
                       - Welcome to DU. You sure jumped in with both feet.  redqueen   Apr-02-09 10:32 AM   #186 
  - That's the AP trying to create the perception that Obama is breaking a promise  CakeGrrl   Apr-01-09 12:03 PM   #15 
  - It sure is a clear example of our conservative media jumping on any chance  Overseas   Apr-01-09 12:27 PM   #27 
  - Yes, that's how I see it too. (nt)  redqueen   Apr-01-09 12:34 PM   #31 
  - I'm compelled to agree; it is spin.  Deja Q   Apr-02-09 06:23 PM   #206 
  - *  Blue-Jay   Apr-01-09 12:05 PM   #16 
  - I think we should tax booze..  stillcool   Apr-01-09 12:11 PM   #20 
  - aw hell no!!! not me 40's!!!!!  dionysus   Apr-01-09 07:05 PM   #151 
  - So don't smoke. Problem solved. nt  DevonRex   Apr-01-09 12:28 PM   #28 
  - Tell that to Obama, he smokes.  martymar64   Apr-01-09 05:06 PM   #97 
     - If he does still smoke he doesn't need a discount, he can afford his. n/t  firedupdem   Apr-01-09 05:43 PM   #111 
        - Since he's the monarch, he probably will get them for free  martymar64   Apr-01-09 05:47 PM   #113 
           - No he's the President and people should get used to that. He  firedupdem   Apr-01-09 05:50 PM   #115 
              - I'm being facetious - I like Obama  martymar64   Apr-01-09 06:10 PM   #132 
                 - gotcha!  firedupdem   Apr-01-09 06:26 PM   #142 
  - If you don't go buy cigarettes you won't be affected. Really simple  firedupdem   Apr-01-09 12:34 PM   #32 
  - Whats weird is - the prices went up in my area WEEKS ago.  bunnies   Apr-01-09 12:39 PM   #34 
  - Yes they were. n/t  ohheckyeah   Apr-01-09 04:24 PM   #88 
     - not the stores... the cig companies... they dictate prices like with gas.  dionysus   Apr-02-09 07:15 PM   #209 
  - Good. As far as the user tax affecting the poor disproportionately,  stopbush   Apr-01-09 12:40 PM   #35 
  - You do realize cigarettes are more addictive than heroin, don't you?  martymar64   Apr-01-09 05:08 PM   #98 
  - Actually, the poorest people used to roll their own, which translated to about $1 a pack.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:10 PM   #131 
  - it's approaching 10 bux now dude...  dionysus   Apr-01-09 07:03 PM   #150 
  - Smoke 'em if ya got 'em (it's for the children). n/t  cherokeeprogressive   Apr-01-09 12:41 PM   #36 
  - I dont know if this qualifies as a campaign promise, but I do know this is a hit and run  MadBadger   Apr-01-09 12:42 PM   #37 
  - Huh. You're right. I didn't notice until you said it.  DevonRex   Apr-01-09 12:59 PM   #45 
  - Well they got a bunch of DUers to agree and defend it.  redqueen   Apr-02-09 09:11 AM   #176 
  - WTF? This is absurd. Tobacco tax does not equate income tax.  Avalux   Apr-01-09 12:44 PM   #38 
  - No, but right wingers and their apologists...  Orsino   Apr-02-09 01:27 PM   #190 
  - Fair tax  fifthoffive   Apr-01-09 12:45 PM   #39 
  - Smart move.  TooRaLoo   Apr-01-09 12:56 PM   #41 
  - A whole YEAR??!!  Leftist Agitator   Apr-01-09 04:11 PM   #79 
  - What happens when  ohheckyeah   Apr-01-09 04:25 PM   #89 
  - Then folks can just grow their own tobacco  martymar64   Apr-01-09 05:10 PM   #99 
     - Yeah, expect a tobacco underground ala marijuana.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 07:46 PM   #161 
  - If you quite smoking your taxes wouldn't go up. Mine aren't going up.  Zynx   Apr-01-09 12:56 PM   #42 
  - Idiot article. With this line of reasoning one could say cap and trade breaks the promise.  cottonseed   Apr-01-09 01:28 PM   #48 
  - Good point, but don't expect the lying M$M's cheerleaders to notice. (nt)  redqueen   Apr-01-09 05:01 PM   #95 
  - cap and trade is a tax for the wealthy  Lisalisa   Apr-02-09 10:24 AM   #183 
  - As a smoker  junkiebrewster   Apr-01-09 01:30 PM   #50 
  - I highly doubt one person in this thread would support an alcohol tax.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 07:38 PM   #158 
     - I'd support increasing alcohol taxes  depakid   Apr-03-09 02:55 AM   #215 
  - Impeachment is the only remedy! Smoke up, Johnny.  AtomicKitten   Apr-01-09 01:32 PM   #51 
  - From what  ohheckyeah   Apr-01-09 01:37 PM   #53 
  - Christ, talk about a bunch of out of context bullshit. And I'm a smoker...  phleshdef   Apr-01-09 01:40 PM   #55 
  - He said any tax. His words were very specific. He clearly indicated he wouldn't effect taxes...  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 07:39 PM   #159 
     - A tax on a product is completely unrelated to income, so you still have no point.  phleshdef   Apr-02-09 09:50 AM   #181 
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  - See Post #15. //nt  Overseas   Apr-01-09 01:46 PM   #57 
  - OMG - Limbaugh was just spewing this same garbage - wow - this might be the big guy himself. nt  AnotherMother4Peace   Apr-01-09 02:31 PM   #63 
  - Sounds good to me.  WI_DEM   Apr-01-09 01:47 PM   #58 
  - At least they don't tax marijuana  martymar64   Apr-01-09 05:12 PM   #100 
  - How absurd. This tax is entirely voluntary. nt  Occam Bandage   Apr-01-09 01:54 PM   #59 
  - I can't believe you posted this bullshit article as something serious.  Political Heretic   Apr-01-09 02:23 PM   #61 
  - This is not a tax on families who make under $250,000.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-01-09 02:35 PM   #65 
  - While filling up the tank?  AyanEva   Apr-01-09 02:52 PM   #72 
     - Perhaps checking the level in the tank.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-01-09 03:01 PM   #74 
  - Yeah, but it's kind of a voluntary tax.  Deep13   Apr-01-09 02:50 PM   #70 
  - Good.  AyanEva   Apr-01-09 02:51 PM   #71 
  - This is an easy tax to avoid  high density   Apr-01-09 03:01 PM   #75 
  - In bizarro world, sure.  izzybeans   Apr-01-09 03:36 PM   #76 
  - can't believe that 8 assholes actually rec'd this.  SpartanDem   Apr-01-09 04:16 PM   #82 
  - I can't believe the thread isn't shut down.  redqueen   Apr-01-09 04:19 PM   #84 
  - Maybe they were being ironic.  Drunken Irishman   Apr-01-09 04:49 PM   #93 
  - Help clean up the environment and say hell no to new tax. Smoke other people's butts. n/t  greguganus   Apr-01-09 04:22 PM   #86 
  - Mods mods hello!!! This is distortion of the worst order.  Uzybone   Apr-01-09 04:32 PM   #91 
  - Why wasn't booze hit with the same tax increase?  ShareTheWoods   Apr-01-09 04:34 PM   #92 
  - Tobacco taxes are unfair!  Sebastian Doyle   Apr-01-09 05:13 PM   #101 
  - I do agree that tobacco taxes are regressive and unfair but Obama broke no pledge.  Hello_Kitty   Apr-01-09 05:22 PM   #106 
  - That's inaccurate  Fido Dido   Apr-01-09 05:43 PM   #110 
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     - Indeed, and the vast majority of smokers? They make under $250k a year.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:15 PM   #135 
  - Purveyor, you are a coward!  MadBadger   Apr-01-09 05:30 PM   #108 
  - I am NOT obligated to sit on this thread and defend the topic. This is an AP article  Purveyor   Apr-01-09 06:32 PM   #146 
     - Why not state your take on the 'article'?  redqueen   Apr-02-09 09:14 AM   #177 
  - Are they taxing alcohol too? n/t  michaz   Apr-01-09 05:35 PM   #109 
  - Good idea. Pot too, as soon as they legalize it. All these things are optional...  polichick   Apr-01-09 05:53 PM   #118 
  - Heresay!  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 05:59 PM   #123 
  - Did you mean 'heresy'?  redqueen   Apr-02-09 09:15 AM   # 
  - Just wondered as alcohol can cause some health problems too. n/t  michaz   Apr-01-09 06:05 PM   #126 
     - Alcohol isn't as addictive and most people don't (can't) use it as a vice.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:20 PM   #139 
  - The only "fair" tax is one that affects everyone...tax toilet paper...  rasputin1952   Apr-01-09 06:01 PM   #125 
  - Bu...bu.. toilet paper is a "necessity"!  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 06:06 PM   #128 
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  - And may I just add that it is extremely dishonest for you to attack me without giving the context.  Bjorn Against   Apr-01-09 06:27 PM   #144 
     - No I didn't. I said you thought it was fair criticism.  redqueen   Apr-01-09 08:19 PM   #163 
        - But when you just say that without giving the context it leaves a false impression  Bjorn Against   Apr-01-09 08:36 PM   #164 
           - My post was deleted because you can't link to other posts.  redqueen   Apr-01-09 10:16 PM   #166 
              - Actually you should have been honest and not taken words completely out of context.  Bjorn Against   Apr-01-09 10:47 PM   #169 
                 - You see dissent here, I see people backing up corporate media spin.  redqueen   Apr-02-09 09:04 AM   #173 
                 - You will also have to agree to quit making me an issue in threads that have nothing to do with me.  Bjorn Against   Apr-02-09 09:15 AM   #178 
                    - Narcissistic much? You're not the only person  redqueen   Apr-02-09 09:18 AM   #179 
                 - The issue of dissent is not global in scope  mkultra   Apr-02-09 10:29 AM   #184 
                    - "Everyone has a right ot dissent."  Baikonour   Apr-03-09 01:54 AM   #213 
  - I'm a smoker and can't say I'm exactly happy about this, but to be fair  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Apr-01-09 06:58 PM   #149 
  - Not really, they don't live as long (and die before health care becomes an issue).  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 07:29 PM   #154 
     - Oh, that's bullshit  Lorien   Apr-02-09 09:24 AM   #180 
     - people who smoke recieve more serious and expensive health care  mkultra   Apr-02-09 10:15 AM   #182 
  - Um, I don't think he meant this when he said "no new taxes".  Arkana   Apr-01-09 07:07 PM   #152 
  - He should not have used the word 'any' in his blanket statement, imo.  joshcryer   Apr-01-09 07:31 PM   #155 
  - April fools!  HughMoran   Apr-01-09 09:05 PM   #165 
  - Obama vetoes SCHIP  denem   Apr-01-09 10:20 PM   #167 
  - Fail. People can quit anytime nft  ecstatic   Apr-01-09 10:54 PM   #170 
  - Excellent. More regressive taxes.  Zavulon   Apr-01-09 10:57 PM   #171 
  - I find your title deceptive  fujiyama   Apr-02-09 05:43 PM   #194 
  - I think he should tax internet usage.  sniffa   Apr-02-09 05:47 PM   #197 
     - I wouldn't mind a tax  fujiyama   Apr-02-09 05:52 PM   #199 
        - No, just usage.  sniffa   Apr-02-09 06:04 PM   #203 
  - My dad quit cold turkey so you all can piss off.  sniffa   Apr-02-09 05:44 PM   #195 
  - Article distorts the truth  mvd   Apr-02-09 05:50 PM   #198 
  - This same 'article' is posted in another thread...  redqueen   Apr-02-09 05:53 PM   #201 
  - Sounds like you tuned in to Glenn Beck  doc03   Apr-02-09 05:58 PM   #202 
  - we gotta pay for children's health care. n/t  crimsonblue   Apr-02-09 06:25 PM   #207 
  - Oh bullshit. By that absolute standard a rise in state or local tax would make him a liar.  NYC_SKP   Apr-02-09 07:54 PM   #211 
  - Good, smokers should pay more  Liberalalltheway   Apr-03-09 02:07 AM   #214 
  - Why are the poor more likely to smoke than the rich?  Vinca   Apr-03-09 06:43 AM   #218 
 

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