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| 87. This is a very short OPed. |
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Edited on Mon Mar-30-09 02:52 PM by Starry Messenger
The two main articles Mr. Hogarth uses to support his claim are as follows: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.htm... which is a bit of a meandering piece but ends with this sentence "I’d like to see more moments like that, perhaps starting with strong assurances from both Democratic candidates that they respect their opponents and would support them in the general election." (A sentiment I personally have come to agree with and would like to see more of on DU). http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/30/opinion/30krugman.htm... which concludes with: "One thing is clear: for Democrats, winning this election should be the easy part. Everything is going their way: sky-high gas prices, a weak economy and a deeply unpopular president. The real question is whether they will take advantage of this once-in-a-generation chance to change the country’s direction. And that’s mainly up to Mr. Obama." which is also a conclusion I'm sure most of us could agree on. My conclusion: This "dislike" for Obama has been wildly overstated. And this is the first time that I have even touched a finger on this subject. And apparently it is also a first for Mr. Paul Hogarth. I could find only find a few other articles under his byline. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-hogarth/red-californ... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-hogarth/arnolds-may-... He has more on DailyKos, where he is a regular diarist: http://paul-hogarth.dailykos.com / He seems like he's got a good head on his shoulders but I wouldn't take his opinion over anyone else's, myself. My .02 edit: typo |
| -Paul Krugman Has Never Liked Obama |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 09:08 AM |
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Keynes never really liked Roosevelt that much either |
AllentownJake |
Mar-30-09 09:14 AM |
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Paul Krugman, the Douchebag's Keynes |
John the Revelator |
Mar-30-09 09:44 PM |
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Krugman worked for Reagan and Enron... he shouldn't talk about "betraying the left" |
ClarkUSA |
Mar-30-09 09:14 AM |
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When did Krugman work for Reagan? |
Reterr |
Mar-30-09 09:28 AM |
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Krugman worked on Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers during 1982–1983 |
ClarkUSA |
Mar-30-09 09:38 AM |
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Oops...someone got quiet all of a sudden |
BeyondGeography |
Mar-30-09 09:47 AM |
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Heh heh |
ClarkUSA |
Mar-30-09 09:52 AM |
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Nah I have an actual life and a job and had to leave for that |
Reterr |
Mar-30-09 06:30 PM |
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so he bailed out of Reaganism -- after seeing it first hand -- about 16 years before the inevitable |
omega minimo |
Mar-30-09 11:03 AM |
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By 1982, he still needed to see supply-side was a sham first hand? |
BeyondGeography |
Mar-30-09 01:38 PM |
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What has he done in the decade and a half since then? |
omega minimo |
Mar-30-09 01:46 PM |
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Apart from the $50,000 fee from Enron, you mean? |
BeyondGeography |
Mar-30-09 01:54 PM |
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"The Sainthood Commission" -- this is just a game to you |
omega minimo |
Mar-30-09 01:59 PM |
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26 years is a decade and a half? n/t |
bornskeptic |
Mar-31-09 10:27 AM |
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Wow... a whole year. |
Kalyke |
Mar-30-09 11:54 AM |
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Can you name one advice that Krugman gave Reagan? |
ArchieStone1 |
Mar-30-09 01:14 PM |
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uh oh |
CTLawGuy |
Mar-30-09 06:36 PM |
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That is like criticizing a lawyer for working for the DOJ in a Republican administration. |
LooseWilly |
Mar-30-09 10:04 PM |
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yeah with Larry Summers |
Wetzelbill |
Mar-30-09 11:19 PM |
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Did Summers work for Enron, too? |
ClarkUSA |
Mar-31-09 09:47 AM |
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Do you always change the point |
Wetzelbill |
Mar-31-09 07:59 PM |
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Don't be fooled by Krugman |
Every Man A King |
Mar-30-09 10:54 AM |
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It's not about like and dislike. It's about a plan that rewards theft and won't fix anything. (nt) |
w4rma |
Mar-30-09 09:15 AM |
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The point of this piece that Krugman's obvious personal dislike of Obama... |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 09:16 AM |
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Now that seems to be a perfectly reasonable conclusion |
LooseWilly |
Mar-30-09 10:20 PM |
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I have never really liked eggplant. |
QC |
Mar-30-09 09:15 AM |
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When has Krugman supported Obama? |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 09:18 AM |
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Here's an archive of video where he supports Obama's plans. |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-30-09 09:34 AM |
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"Everyone knows you for your flaming columns in the New York Times". |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 09:47 AM |
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Hyperbole is a wonderful thing. |
LooseWilly |
Mar-30-09 10:46 PM |
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Y'all are really starting to look stupid with this. Do you think Krugman supported McCain?? |
chimpymustgo |
Mar-30-09 12:15 PM |
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You already look |
Cha |
Mar-30-09 06:15 PM |
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What the hell are you talking about? (n/t) |
LooseWilly |
Mar-31-09 12:49 AM |
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I'm confused... |
LooseWilly |
Mar-30-09 10:29 PM |
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eggplant is the enemy of the people |
dionysus |
Mar-30-09 09:18 AM |
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I LOVE eggplant. |
Beacool |
Mar-30-09 10:24 AM |
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i've been giving him a break |
dionysus |
Mar-30-09 10:35 AM |
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Hi, yourself!! |
Beacool |
Mar-30-09 10:45 AM |
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You do realize that baba ganoush is an Iranian dish? |
LooseWilly |
Mar-31-09 12:45 AM |
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Wow!!!! |
Beacool |
Mar-31-09 10:13 AM |
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Go to Sicily. Go into any restaurant or trattoria and order "Pasta Norma." |
CTyankee |
Mar-30-09 12:08 PM |
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ok, i have nothing against eggplant, i was riffing on a poster who spent the last few days replying |
dionysus |
Mar-30-09 12:11 PM |
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Oh, sorry. I didn't get in on the joke. Thanks for telling me. Go to Sicily and order |
CTyankee |
Mar-30-09 12:15 PM |
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if i ever have the money to make it to europe, i will, thanks! |
dionysus |
Mar-30-09 12:19 PM |
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It sounded delicious. |
Beacool |
Mar-31-09 10:21 AM |
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how can you not like eggplant? It's a prince of the vegetable kingdom? |
cali |
Mar-30-09 09:27 AM |
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Finally!!! |
Beacool |
Mar-31-09 10:22 AM |
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No, Paul Krugman has never liked Obama's healthcare plan. |
BzaDem |
Mar-30-09 09:25 AM |
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If so, then why the overly personal tone when Krugman writes about Obama? |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 09:34 AM |
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Cuz when he spanked Obama on mandates, we spanked him back |
BeyondGeography |
Mar-30-09 09:48 AM |
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That article really just drives home my point. |
BzaDem |
Mar-30-09 09:50 AM |
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Just because you agree with Krugman's personal attacks on Obama supporters... |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 09:53 AM |
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I agree that more care should be given to an NYT column than a DU post. |
BzaDem |
Mar-30-09 10:26 AM |
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Had Krugman come to DU or Kos to do that would have been one thing. |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 10:36 AM |
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Krugman is an op-ed columnist, he is not and has never claimed to be a journalist. |
Bjorn Against |
Mar-30-09 11:03 PM |
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You've got to be kidding... |
LooseWilly |
Mar-31-09 12:59 AM |
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I may be wrong, but I suspect you're out of your gourd... |
LooseWilly |
Mar-31-09 02:18 AM |
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I agree with your post. |
Beacool |
Mar-30-09 10:30 AM |
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Seriously, why can't people ignore the WWF posturing and stick to the facts? |
rucky |
Mar-30-09 11:04 AM |
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Krugman defending Obama, |
Aloha Spirit |
Mar-30-09 09:27 AM |
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Yes, but, |
MadHound |
Mar-30-09 09:29 AM |
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Then why is only Krugman getting the attention? |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 09:39 AM |
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Could be, but more likely it is because Krugman is the best know economist out there |
MadHound |
Mar-30-09 10:15 AM |
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If Galbraith or Stiglitz wrote two columns a week in prominent publication |
amandabeech |
Mar-31-09 10:29 PM |
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I think we should decend on his home with torches and pitchforks! |
Marrah_G |
Mar-30-09 09:37 AM |
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Actually, no. |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 09:50 AM |
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You are wrong, as the piece gives justification to those |
biopowertoday |
Mar-30-09 10:06 AM |
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Um, since when do I need permission to like or dislike anyone? |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 10:22 AM |
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never said you needed |
biopowertoday |
Mar-30-09 02:11 PM |
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I don't think personalities have anything to do with it. |
smoogatz |
Mar-30-09 09:55 AM |
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This is the Enforcers' new tactic: discredit those who disagree by saying they never supported Obama |
Maven |
Mar-30-09 10:03 AM |
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Oh I have no intention of smearing Paul Krugman. |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 10:30 AM |
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Nah. I have seen plenty from the Enforcers here, who use the same exact tactic. |
Maven |
Mar-30-09 10:44 AM |
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Journalism should be objective. |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 10:47 AM |
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Krugman is an op/ed columnist, with a point of view. An upapologetically liberal point of view. |
Maven |
Mar-30-09 10:55 AM |
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The problem is this: Obama never claimed to be a liberal. Everyone else assumed him to be |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Mar-30-09 11:18 AM |
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I never assumed him to be. |
Maven |
Mar-30-09 11:36 AM |
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No I'm not. I think Krugman is unprofessional and hurting his credibility |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Mar-30-09 02:26 PM |
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I think when you've been railing against one set of economic ideas for a long time |
Maven |
Mar-30-09 02:33 PM |
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Let's be honest, though. With all due respect to Krugman and his ideals, I don't |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Mar-30-09 02:39 PM |
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Well, perhaps that's true but the circumstances were different. |
Maven |
Mar-30-09 02:50 PM |
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Right now, neither Bill nor Hillary are making economic policy. |
amandabeech |
Mar-31-09 10:34 PM |
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it doesn't really matter if he supported Obama or not, he's still a buffoon |
John the Revelator |
Mar-30-09 09:49 PM |
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That is why his voice is valuable. He is not blinded by his personal feelings like I am. |
anonymous171 |
Mar-30-09 10:20 AM |
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I think grownups would consider the entire idea that Krugman dislikes |
wisteria |
Mar-30-09 10:34 AM |
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I think the point is that Krugman has clearly allowed his personal feelings and personal agendas... |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 10:39 AM |
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Or he thinks that the bailout plan is economically unsound |
TayTay |
Mar-30-09 10:52 AM |
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I don't find objectivity in stating "facts" silly. |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 12:22 PM |
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What personality? |
TayTay |
Mar-30-09 01:36 PM |
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Please see the articles linked in the OP piece. nt |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 01:38 PM |
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the "right" to "suspect an agenda" while eating our own, ignoring the urgent economic realities. |
omega minimo |
Mar-30-09 11:02 AM |
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I agree wholeheartedly!! If you're going to have any kind of credibility, leave your personal |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Mar-30-09 11:20 AM |
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I think that says a lot about the unrelenting criticsm of Obama on DU too |
WI_DEM |
Mar-30-09 10:45 AM |
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I didn't find any reason to dislike Krugman in the links. |
Vattel |
Mar-30-09 10:59 AM |
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The contempt for Obama on behalf of Krugman is palpitable and goes back |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Mar-30-09 11:14 AM |
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he never liked Bush, either |
paulk |
Mar-30-09 11:53 AM |
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I was just about to post that same line! |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Mar-30-09 11:55 AM |
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on the house! |
paulk |
Mar-30-09 12:11 PM |
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Succinct and well stated. |
Maven |
Mar-30-09 12:11 PM |
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If his policy disputes with Bush were based on a personal dislike, then yes. |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 12:17 PM |
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you haven't even begun to prove |
paulk |
Mar-30-09 12:41 PM |
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Well, "paulk", if we're going by the notion that your screenname speaks for you... |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 01:00 PM |
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LOL |
paulk |
Mar-30-09 02:34 PM |
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That poster is on |
Cha |
Mar-30-09 06:24 PM |
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You are wrong about that. One can like a person but not necessarily all of his ideas. n/t |
wisteria |
Mar-30-09 09:37 PM |
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You're a deep thinker, that much is obvious,. |
Forkboy |
Mar-30-09 09:45 PM |
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yup... |
paulk |
Mar-31-09 02:55 PM |
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Bush is a conservative |
CTLawGuy |
Mar-30-09 06:44 PM |
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Krugman has become the biggest ass hat on the left. |
TexasObserver |
Mar-30-09 12:13 PM |
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Oh, he's an ASS HAT... THAT explains it....... |
omega minimo |
Mar-30-09 01:48 PM |
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Resistance is futile |
burythehatchet |
Mar-30-09 09:49 PM |
#106 |
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LOL Honey, ah'm done. |
omega minimo |
Mar-30-09 10:58 PM |
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get over it |
mix |
Mar-30-09 02:10 PM |
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Who said "enemy"? |
Barack_America |
Mar-30-09 02:39 PM |
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cheap smear |
mix |
Mar-30-09 10:17 PM |
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You "get over it" and reread the OP |
Cha |
Mar-30-09 06:22 PM |
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How many of you that "dislike" Krugman can say they've actually read his work? |
Baikonour |
Mar-30-09 02:35 PM |
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I can. n/t |
quiller4 |
Mar-30-09 09:57 PM |
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What happened to Obama's Team of Rivals?... |
lame54 |
Mar-30-09 02:38 PM |
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This is a very short OPed. |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-30-09 02:51 PM |
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This is correct |
NJmaverick |
Mar-30-09 03:07 PM |
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I didn't know this little rat cheese tidbit.. |
Cha |
Mar-30-09 06:13 PM |
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What is this, Junior High?!? |
Sparkly |
Mar-30-09 06:20 PM |
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Couldn't agree more |
tkmorris |
Mar-30-09 10:27 PM |
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"embarrassing" is the word that keeps popping into my head when I read GD-P lately. |
Forkboy |
Mar-31-09 12:58 PM |
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No. GD: P is like hgh school. Nothing but cheerleaders and bullies. n/t |
QC |
Mar-30-09 11:24 PM |
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Hey, don't leave out the freaks and geeks! |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-30-09 11:38 PM |
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it surely is pathetic, eh Sparkly |
Skittles |
Mar-31-09 12:26 AM |
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Oh, get over it. I'm sure Obama doesn't keep a Burn Book a la Mean Girls. |
camera obscura |
Mar-30-09 06:23 PM |
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You "get over it".. |
Cha |
Mar-30-09 06:25 PM |
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Seriously.eom |
Reterr |
Mar-30-09 06:31 PM |
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"Like O'Reilly. Can we please hold ourselves to a higher standard than that? " |
depakid |
Mar-30-09 06:41 PM |
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My Obama, Right or Wrong? |
merkins |
Mar-30-09 06:56 PM |
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"Never Liked?" |
elleng |
Mar-30-09 10:37 PM |
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except he wasn't a Clinton supporter and he was right about Obama's health plan |
Wetzelbill |
Mar-30-09 11:31 PM |
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Nicely stated. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Mar-31-09 12:27 AM |
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that does not mean he is not telling the truth |
Skittles |
Mar-31-09 12:25 AM |
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. |
omega minimo |
Mar-31-09 01:10 AM |
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Krugman was an Edwards supporter, not a Hillary supporter |
Juche |
Mar-31-09 11:38 PM |
#139 |
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