Peace Patriot
(1000+ posts)
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Fri Mar-20-09 11:52 AM
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| 40. Well, I've called it the Bushwhacks' "Financial 9/11" since it happened. It was obvious |
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to me that it was planned. It's true that it has a three-decade history--Reagan thru Bush Jr. (including Clinton, to some extent) of deregulation and welfare for the rich. But the coup de grace was not the September 2008 final looting. The coup de grace was the 'TRADE SECRET' code voting machines fast-tracked all over the country, during the 2002 to 2004 period--'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY code owned and controlled by Bushwhack corporations, with virtually no audit/recount controls--the privatization of our voting system itself. 2004 was the moment that democracy should have kicked in and resulted in a course correction for our sinking ship of state. This was deliberately prevented by a quickly installed non-transparent voting system all over the country--with, I have to add, the collusion of many Democratic leaders. Through Clinton, the economic/political system was still correctable. With the Supreme Court coup d'etat in 2000, followed by the Diebold/ES&S coup d'etat leading up to 2004, we were not permitted to elect a decent, vigilant government--maybe not an ideal government--but one that was Clinton-like, in its better respects, and with a president, John Kerry, with a strong history of investigations into large financial scandals--i.e., a decent, vigilant government that would not have permitted the September 2008 Financial 9/11.
And I think the same is true of the 'Terrorist' 9/11. A Gore government would not have permitted it to happen. (I'm sure about Gore in that respect; but not about Lieberman.) At the least, NORAD would have mounted some defense. The unprecedented disorganization of NORAD/AF on 9/11 was Rumsfeld's doing, in my opinion. Fast-forward to the Financial 9/11, and this, too, was both preventable, and characterized by Bush Junta complicity. Imagine Kerry-Edwards in the White House as of 2004, and you can see that it simply would not have happened. A recession maybe, due to 2000-2004 malfeasance and looting. Not a worldwide meltdown and massive looting of the future unto the 7th generation.
The election system is the key to everything. It is our only real power as a people. Transparent, honest, aboveboard elections are the fundamental condition of democracy. Democracy is the very best system ever devised to insure a change of direction, when a nation is headed for disaster.
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"It's over - we're officially, royally fucked." MUST READ on the economic crisis: it's a REVOLUTION |
chimpymustgo |
Mar-20-09 09:10 AM |
#0 |

I wouldn't take that reporter very seriously. nt |
beachmom |
Mar-20-09 09:11 AM |
#1 |
 
Why do you say that? nt |
M155Y_A1CH |
Mar-20-09 09:21 AM |
#3 |
 
Matt Taibbi is one of the best political reporters in the country. READ and get informed. |
chimpymustgo |
Mar-20-09 09:25 AM |
#5 |
  
Taibbi is a gonzo journalist |
Teaser |
Mar-20-09 11:04 AM |
#24 |
   
Please, what are your credentials? Who do you write for? |
acmavm |
Mar-20-09 12:03 PM |
#43 |
  
Science, Nature, Physics Today, and some others. |
Teaser |
Mar-20-09 01:38 PM |
#60 |
  
Right. |
acmavm |
Mar-20-09 01:57 PM |
#61 |
  
Nah, I'm good. Only deadline I have is an NIH grant in June. |
Teaser |
Mar-20-09 04:28 PM |
#71 |
  
Matt is a great WRITER, not a reporter. |
Phx_Dem |
Mar-20-09 11:16 AM |
#27 |
   
Uh, yes he is. He does investigative journalism also. |
Dr.Phool |
Mar-20-09 01:04 PM |
#56 |
  
Its a great piece, but Taibbi is not a reporter |
Uzybone |
Mar-20-09 11:46 AM |
#37 |
   
JEEZUS Christ! Is it too much to read the article and comment on it? Eight pages of researching |
chimpymustgo |
Mar-20-09 12:23 PM |
#48 |
  
I've read the piece, but there is no new news there |
Uzybone |
Mar-20-09 12:29 PM |
#50 |
  
I don't like him. He loves sniveling cynicism. I don't. |
beachmom |
Mar-20-09 01:15 PM |
#58 |
   
so it's his attitude that clouds your judgment on his writing/reporting. |
Javaman |
Mar-20-09 04:00 PM |
#66 |
   
Ad hom attack of the author and not mentioning 1 single point of the article... |
specimenfred1984 |
Mar-20-09 04:12 PM |
#69 |
  
Excuse me for not worshipping a Darling of the Left. |
beachmom |
Mar-20-09 04:18 PM |
#70 |
   
Lefties? Darling of the Left |
genna |
Mar-20-09 09:17 PM |
#79 |
   
It seems to me that it is you that exudes an aura of superiority. |
olegramps |
Mar-21-09 11:12 AM |
#104 |
  
I've only read the first 20 paragraphs. |
genna |
Mar-20-09 09:10 PM |
#78 |
  
Excellent article by a great reporter, I agree ! |
Overseas |
Mar-21-09 05:48 PM |
#127 |
 
Why? |
City Lights |
Mar-20-09 10:21 AM |
#16 |
  
He wrote about Bush's lies and corruption, I dont' recall him |
Phx_Dem |
Mar-20-09 11:17 AM |
#29 |
 
Um.. reasons? |
slay |
Mar-20-09 10:38 AM |
#19 |
 
Go stroll around with your metal detector and leave the real thinking to us |
specimenfred1984 |
Mar-20-09 03:53 PM |
#65 |
  
Oh, I see -- so people who don't agree with you are stupid. |
beachmom |
Mar-20-09 09:06 PM |
#77 |
 
I want a drink of what your drinking. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-20-09 11:00 PM |
#85 |
 
Rolling Stone magazine? The one that usually discusses music bands and Britney? |
Deja Q |
Mar-20-09 11:05 PM |
#86 |

Some posters are exposing some SERIOUS IGNORANCE on this thread. n/t |
chimpymustgo |
Mar-21-09 09:56 AM |
#101 |

Agree. |
ananda |
Mar-20-09 09:16 AM |
#2 |

Overly Sensationalized to sell Copy |
FreakinDJ |
Mar-20-09 09:23 AM |
#4 |
 
Completely agree. nt |
chrisa |
Mar-21-09 04:30 PM |
#124 |

Hypoerbolic rhetoric |
WeDidIt |
Mar-20-09 09:27 AM |
#6 |
 
Did you READ the article. It's 8 pages long and explains how this all unfolded - |
chimpymustgo |
Mar-20-09 09:30 AM |
#7 |

"It's over — we're officially, royally fucked." |
WeDidIt |
Mar-20-09 09:33 AM |
#8 |
 
Quite right, my good man. Such plebeian antics as these are hardly fit for a gentleman. |
QC |
Mar-20-09 10:19 AM |
#14 |
 
What me have to not judge book by cover AND actually read article? |
slay |
Mar-20-09 10:40 AM |
#20 |
  
If I can't get through the first paragraph without rolling my eyes at the outright lies |
WeDidIt |
Mar-20-09 10:58 AM |
#21 |
   
I refuse to discuss this with you since you openly admit you have not read the article |
slay |
Mar-20-09 11:02 AM |
#22 |
  
Fine |
WeDidIt |
Mar-20-09 11:47 AM |
#38 |
  
Well, when the "cover" is essentially an image of a dog turd... |
high density |
Mar-20-09 12:40 PM |
#52 |
 
Your open-mindedness is astounding! |
slay |
Mar-20-09 02:33 PM |
#62 |
 
His first line pretty much tells any reader that there's no point in reading further. |
DevonRex |
Mar-20-09 12:56 PM |
#54 |
  
Bingo |
WeDidIt |
Mar-20-09 12:58 PM |
#55 |
 
So he lost you at Hello. |
Javaman |
Mar-20-09 04:03 PM |
#68 |
 
No |
WeDidIt |
Mar-21-09 04:32 PM |
#125 |
 
hyperbolic rhetoric isn't hyperbolic when it is the truth.... |
winyanstaz |
Mar-21-09 02:16 AM |
#87 |
 
I have something for you... |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Mar-21-09 11:10 AM |
#103 |
 
Hyperbolic rhetoric? |
olegramps |
Mar-21-09 11:20 AM |
#105 |
 
well that is honest |
Two Americas |
Mar-21-09 02:53 PM |
#122 |

Knee-jerk reactions? |
M155Y_A1CH |
Mar-20-09 09:38 AM |
#9 |
 
It's a GREAT read, and explains it ALL. I'm baffled by the head-in-the sand acts. Denial won't make |
chimpymustgo |
Mar-20-09 09:42 AM |
#10 |

There's no denial. The author started out with hyperbole |
WeDidIt |
Mar-20-09 10:07 AM |
#11 |
 
Oh please.....Why not call a spade a spade? |
Armstead |
Mar-20-09 10:16 AM |
#12 |
  
Nope, the hyperbolic rhetoric demonstrates quite adequately |
WeDidIt |
Mar-20-09 10:17 AM |
#13 |
 
The f word is scary. nt |
jbnow |
Mar-20-09 10:19 AM |
#15 |
 
Your point is invalid. |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Mar-21-09 11:33 AM |
#108 |

You're dealing with Obamaphiles. |
Dr.Phool |
Mar-20-09 01:08 PM |
#57 |

True dat. |
cui bono |
Mar-20-09 10:25 PM |
#84 |

Taibbi sometimes does good reporting, but he's slightly crazy and doesn't know economics |
HamdenRice |
Mar-20-09 10:35 AM |
#17 |

I completely agree with Taibbi about that lying, war-mongering corporatist Tom Friedman. |
chimpymustgo |
Mar-20-09 11:30 AM |
#32 |
 
Thanks for the mind reading! |
HamdenRice |
Mar-20-09 11:43 AM |
#36 |

Taibbi doesn't think OTS should be the main regulator of CDS. |
smokey nj |
Mar-20-09 11:55 AM |
#41 |
 
Thanks, I must have glazed over or misunderstood that passage |
HamdenRice |
Mar-20-09 12:01 PM |
#42 |

while it's hard to read through his style, |
northernlights |
Mar-21-09 08:13 AM |
#96 |

"...will Obama get that info from them and then dump them..." |
BumRushDaShow |
Mar-21-09 01:18 PM |
#116 |

I missed the threads on commercial paper being the means to save us |
genna |
Mar-20-09 09:25 PM |
#80 |

Crazy? No question. |
genna |
Mar-20-09 09:04 PM |
#76 |

Boom and bust. It happens. It's happened many times in history. |
StrongBad |
Mar-20-09 10:37 AM |
#18 |

K&R. Don't let the Hyperbole Police, Apologists other Useful Idiots fool you... |
Zenlitened |
Mar-20-09 11:03 AM |
#23 |
 
Good add. Maybe if more people would read this, and other articles, we wouldn't let them get away |
chimpymustgo |
Mar-20-09 12:28 PM |
#49 |
 
I agree - the Taibbi article is best overview of the meltdown I've seen yet. |
Raksha |
Mar-21-09 03:13 AM |
#90 |

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. also writes for Rolling Stone |
DemReadingDU |
Mar-21-09 08:13 AM |
#95 |

The sky has fallen so many times. |
Life Long Dem |
Mar-20-09 11:10 AM |
#25 |
 
yep |
Two Americas |
Mar-21-09 02:50 PM |
#121 |

I love Tiabbi's wit, but I think he's full of shit on ths one. |
Phx_Dem |
Mar-20-09 11:11 AM |
#26 |
 
Good way of putting it |
HamdenRice |
Mar-20-09 11:32 AM |
#33 |
  
I'd love to see a list of these wiped out |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-21-09 09:45 AM |
#100 |
  
What the hell is the matter with you? |
olegramps |
Mar-21-09 11:42 AM |
#110 |
 
There are NO regulations. That has been the problem. |
Fire1 |
Mar-20-09 11:36 AM |
#34 |
  
No, that WAS the problem. Lack of regulations created this mess. |
Phx_Dem |
Mar-20-09 11:51 AM |
#39 |
 
These regulations only target TARP recipients and is why |
Fire1 |
Mar-20-09 12:22 PM |
#47 |
 
I don't think he said that |
jeanpalmer |
Mar-21-09 05:31 AM |
#91 |
 
I think what he's saying is |
northernlights |
Mar-21-09 08:19 AM |
#97 |

I don't think that's far from the truth - which is why I never liked the Geithner/Summers choices... |
polichick |
Mar-20-09 11:17 AM |
#28 |

The bastards responsible were given a blank check from U.S. taxpayers... |
earth mom |
Mar-20-09 11:18 AM |
#30 |

Thanks Chimpmustgo. I bookmarked and will recommend. |
Fire1 |
Mar-20-09 11:30 AM |
#31 |

The American people know who their real welfare queens are now. |
rocktivity |
Mar-20-09 11:38 AM |
#35 |

Well, I've called it the Bushwhacks' "Financial 9/11" since it happened. It was obvious |
Peace Patriot |
Mar-20-09 11:52 AM |
#40 |
 
Bookmarked and recommended for your post, Peace Patriot. |
robertpaulsen |
Mar-20-09 03:37 PM |
#64 |
 
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. also writes for Rolling Stone |
DemReadingDU |
Mar-21-09 08:20 AM |
#98 |

maybe a little over the top, but still worth reading |
paulk |
Mar-20-09 12:10 PM |
#44 |
 
'Over the top,' is an understatement. That's why a few enlightened |
Fire1 |
Mar-20-09 03:16 PM |
#63 |

Wow -- I've got to read the whole thing -- it brought the |
nichomachus |
Mar-20-09 12:10 PM |
#45 |
 
it is very interesting |
Two Americas |
Mar-21-09 02:57 PM |
#123 |

This pic says it all |
thereismore |
Mar-20-09 12:17 PM |
#46 |

Taibbi does suck. |
Baikonour |
Mar-20-09 12:33 PM |
#51 |

Matt has lost a lot of credibility in the past year or so. It's his own fault. |
DevonRex |
Mar-20-09 12:47 PM |
#53 |
 
Explain how |
KansasVoter |
Mar-20-09 09:46 PM |
#83 |

his "facts" are WRONG: AIG is not a "dying insurance giant" most of AIG is HEALTHY |
amborin |
Mar-20-09 01:23 PM |
#59 |
 
If they aren't dying why are giving them massive transfusions? Doesn't matter if |
rhett o rick |
Mar-21-09 12:52 PM |
#113 |
 
They will be gone within the year. |
Usrename |
Mar-21-09 11:54 PM |
#130 |
 
ROFLWTFBBQ!! |
wellst0nev0ter |
Mar-22-09 06:27 PM |
#132 |

Oh my! |
GeorgeGist |
Mar-20-09 04:02 PM |
#67 |

Rolling Stone was the only magazine that actually did tell: Bush |
KakistocracyHater |
Mar-20-09 05:24 PM |
#72 |

And the moral of the story is: |
southerncrone |
Mar-20-09 05:56 PM |
#73 |

I like everyone loving AIG.... |
BlueJac |
Mar-20-09 05:57 PM |
#74 |

K&R Great read. nt |
windoe |
Mar-20-09 07:39 PM |
#75 |

If the Republicans had stole another election, the revolution would be... |
santamargarita |
Mar-20-09 09:34 PM |
#81 |

Kicking |
ellie |
Mar-20-09 09:44 PM |
#82 |

I heard a rumor |
Two Americas |
Mar-21-09 02:37 AM |
#88 |
 
Sarcasm noted |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Mar-21-09 11:05 AM |
#102 |
 
I don't dislike Tiabbi because he criticizes Obama |
Enrique |
Mar-21-09 11:26 AM |
#106 |
  
his hair |
Two Americas |
Mar-21-09 01:09 PM |
#114 |
 
i didn't think my criticism was that superficial |
Enrique |
Mar-21-09 05:04 PM |
#126 |
 
no, you are right |
Two Americas |
Mar-21-09 07:39 PM |
#128 |
 
Yes, Do Read the Article |
NashVegas |
Mar-21-09 11:34 AM |
#109 |

yes |
Two Americas |
Mar-21-09 01:15 PM |
#115 |

To Expand On That Statement |
NashVegas |
Mar-21-09 01:24 PM |
#117 |

I think it is a phony fight |
Two Americas |
Mar-21-09 02:42 PM |
#118 |

Simply criminal capitalism hitting the concrete again and collecting BIG ... !!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-21-09 02:44 AM |
#89 |

Great summary of the facts |
jeanpalmer |
Mar-21-09 05:55 AM |
#92 |

Obama is a politician just like FDR and JFK were politicians. |
fasttense |
Mar-21-09 06:42 AM |
#93 |

A word of caution, then... |
Number_Six |
Mar-21-09 07:38 AM |
#94 |

Gradual Takeover |
hgovernick |
Mar-21-09 09:44 AM |
#99 |

Taibbi's A Sniveling Ass |
NashVegas |
Mar-21-09 11:32 AM |
#107 |
 
I can not help from wondering what your reaction would have been if he called for violent revolution |
olegramps |
Mar-21-09 11:57 AM |
#111 |
  
All Or Nothing, Is That It? |
NashVegas |
Mar-21-09 12:19 PM |
#112 |
 
just the first paragraph |
Two Americas |
Mar-21-09 02:49 PM |
#120 |

Wouldn't a coup be a better word??? |
cliffordu |
Mar-21-09 02:47 PM |
#119 |

Man, I really hope he's wrong. |
bklyncowgirl |
Mar-21-09 08:16 PM |
#129 |

Again!!!! What is this the 15th or 30th time this was announced! |
whistler162 |
Mar-22-09 10:56 AM |
#131 |