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Reply #40: Well, I've called it the Bushwhacks' "Financial 9/11" since it happened. It was obvious [View All]

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40. Well, I've called it the Bushwhacks' "Financial 9/11" since it happened. It was obvious
to me that it was planned. It's true that it has a three-decade history--Reagan thru Bush Jr. (including Clinton, to some extent) of deregulation and welfare for the rich. But the coup de grace was not the September 2008 final looting. The coup de grace was the 'TRADE SECRET' code voting machines fast-tracked all over the country, during the 2002 to 2004 period--'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY code owned and controlled by Bushwhack corporations, with virtually no audit/recount controls--the privatization of our voting system itself. 2004 was the moment that democracy should have kicked in and resulted in a course correction for our sinking ship of state. This was deliberately prevented by a quickly installed non-transparent voting system all over the country--with, I have to add, the collusion of many Democratic leaders. Through Clinton, the economic/political system was still correctable. With the Supreme Court coup d'etat in 2000, followed by the Diebold/ES&S coup d'etat leading up to 2004, we were not permitted to elect a decent, vigilant government--maybe not an ideal government--but one that was Clinton-like, in its better respects, and with a president, John Kerry, with a strong history of investigations into large financial scandals--i.e., a decent, vigilant government that would not have permitted the September 2008 Financial 9/11.

And I think the same is true of the 'Terrorist' 9/11. A Gore government would not have permitted it to happen. (I'm sure about Gore in that respect; but not about Lieberman.) At the least, NORAD would have mounted some defense. The unprecedented disorganization of NORAD/AF on 9/11 was Rumsfeld's doing, in my opinion. Fast-forward to the Financial 9/11, and this, too, was both preventable, and characterized by Bush Junta complicity. Imagine Kerry-Edwards in the White House as of 2004, and you can see that it simply would not have happened. A recession maybe, due to 2000-2004 malfeasance and looting. Not a worldwide meltdown and massive looting of the future unto the 7th generation.

The election system is the key to everything. It is our only real power as a people. Transparent, honest, aboveboard elections are the fundamental condition of democracy. Democracy is the very best system ever devised to insure a change of direction, when a nation is headed for disaster.
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  "It's over - we're officially, royally fucked." MUST READ on the economic crisis: it's a REVOLUTION chimpymustgo  Mar-20-09 09:10 AM   #0 
   I wouldn't take that reporter very seriously. nt  beachmom   Mar-20-09 09:11 AM   #1 
   Why do you say that? nt  M155Y_A1CH   Mar-20-09 09:21 AM   #3 
   Matt Taibbi is one of the best political reporters in the country. READ and get informed.  chimpymustgo   Mar-20-09 09:25 AM   #5 
   Taibbi is a gonzo journalist  Teaser   Mar-20-09 11:04 AM   #24 
   Please, what are your credentials? Who do you write for?  acmavm   Mar-20-09 12:03 PM   #43 
      Science, Nature, Physics Today, and some others.  Teaser   Mar-20-09 01:38 PM   #60 
         Right.  acmavm   Mar-20-09 01:57 PM   #61 
            Nah, I'm good. Only deadline I have is an NIH grant in June.  Teaser   Mar-20-09 04:28 PM   #71 
   Matt is a great WRITER, not a reporter.  Phx_Dem   Mar-20-09 11:16 AM   #27 
   Uh, yes he is. He does investigative journalism also.  Dr.Phool   Mar-20-09 01:04 PM   #56 
   Its a great piece, but Taibbi is not a reporter  Uzybone   Mar-20-09 11:46 AM   #37 
   JEEZUS Christ! Is it too much to read the article and comment on it? Eight pages of researching  chimpymustgo   Mar-20-09 12:23 PM   #48 
      I've read the piece, but there is no new news there  Uzybone   Mar-20-09 12:29 PM   #50 
   I don't like him. He loves sniveling cynicism. I don't.  beachmom   Mar-20-09 01:15 PM   #58 
   so it's his attitude that clouds your judgment on his writing/reporting.  Javaman   Mar-20-09 04:00 PM   #66 
   Ad hom attack of the author and not mentioning 1 single point of the article...  specimenfred1984   Mar-20-09 04:12 PM   #69 
      Excuse me for not worshipping a Darling of the Left.  beachmom   Mar-20-09 04:18 PM   #70 
      Lefties? Darling of the Left  genna   Mar-20-09 09:17 PM   #79 
      It seems to me that it is you that exudes an aura of superiority.  olegramps   Mar-21-09 11:12 AM   #104 
      I've only read the first 20 paragraphs.  genna   Mar-20-09 09:10 PM   #78 
   Excellent article by a great reporter, I agree !  Overseas   Mar-21-09 05:48 PM   #127 
   Why?  City Lights   Mar-20-09 10:21 AM   #16 
   He wrote about Bush's lies and corruption, I dont' recall him  Phx_Dem   Mar-20-09 11:17 AM   #29 
   Um.. reasons?  slay   Mar-20-09 10:38 AM   #19 
   Go stroll around with your metal detector and leave the real thinking to us  specimenfred1984   Mar-20-09 03:53 PM   #65 
   Oh, I see -- so people who don't agree with you are stupid.  beachmom   Mar-20-09 09:06 PM   #77 
   I want a drink of what your drinking. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-20-09 11:00 PM   #85 
   Rolling Stone magazine? The one that usually discusses music bands and Britney?  Deja Q   Mar-20-09 11:05 PM   #86 
      Some posters are exposing some SERIOUS IGNORANCE on this thread. n/t  chimpymustgo   Mar-21-09 09:56 AM   #101 
   Agree.  ananda   Mar-20-09 09:16 AM   #2 
   Overly Sensationalized to sell Copy  FreakinDJ   Mar-20-09 09:23 AM   #4 
   Completely agree. nt  chrisa   Mar-21-09 04:30 PM   #124 
   Hypoerbolic rhetoric  WeDidIt   Mar-20-09 09:27 AM   #6 
   Did you READ the article. It's 8 pages long and explains how this all unfolded -  chimpymustgo   Mar-20-09 09:30 AM   #7 
      "It's over — we're officially, royally fucked."  WeDidIt   Mar-20-09 09:33 AM   #8 
      Quite right, my good man. Such plebeian antics as these are hardly fit for a gentleman.  QC   Mar-20-09 10:19 AM   #14 
      What me have to not judge book by cover AND actually read article?  slay   Mar-20-09 10:40 AM   #20 
      If I can't get through the first paragraph without rolling my eyes at the outright lies  WeDidIt   Mar-20-09 10:58 AM   #21 
      I refuse to discuss this with you since you openly admit you have not read the article  slay   Mar-20-09 11:02 AM   #22 
         Fine  WeDidIt   Mar-20-09 11:47 AM   #38 
      Well, when the "cover" is essentially an image of a dog turd...  high density   Mar-20-09 12:40 PM   #52 
         Your open-mindedness is astounding!  slay   Mar-20-09 02:33 PM   #62 
      His first line pretty much tells any reader that there's no point in reading further.  DevonRex   Mar-20-09 12:56 PM   #54 
      Bingo  WeDidIt   Mar-20-09 12:58 PM   #55 
         So he lost you at Hello.  Javaman   Mar-20-09 04:03 PM   #68 
            No  WeDidIt   Mar-21-09 04:32 PM   #125 
      hyperbolic rhetoric isn't hyperbolic when it is the truth....  winyanstaz   Mar-21-09 02:16 AM   #87 
      I have something for you...  HCE SuiGeneris   Mar-21-09 11:10 AM   #103 
      Hyperbolic rhetoric?  olegramps   Mar-21-09 11:20 AM   #105 
      well that is honest  Two Americas   Mar-21-09 02:53 PM   #122 
      Knee-jerk reactions?  M155Y_A1CH   Mar-20-09 09:38 AM   #9 
      It's a GREAT read, and explains it ALL. I'm baffled by the head-in-the sand acts. Denial won't make  chimpymustgo   Mar-20-09 09:42 AM   #10 
         There's no denial. The author started out with hyperbole  WeDidIt   Mar-20-09 10:07 AM   #11 
         Oh please.....Why not call a spade a spade?  Armstead   Mar-20-09 10:16 AM   #12 
         Nope, the hyperbolic rhetoric demonstrates quite adequately  WeDidIt   Mar-20-09 10:17 AM   #13 
         The f word is scary. nt  jbnow   Mar-20-09 10:19 AM   #15 
         Your point is invalid.  HCE SuiGeneris   Mar-21-09 11:33 AM   #108 
         You're dealing with Obamaphiles.  Dr.Phool   Mar-20-09 01:08 PM   #57 
            True dat.  cui bono   Mar-20-09 10:25 PM   #84 
      Taibbi sometimes does good reporting, but he's slightly crazy and doesn't know economics  HamdenRice   Mar-20-09 10:35 AM   #17 
         I completely agree with Taibbi about that lying, war-mongering corporatist Tom Friedman.  chimpymustgo   Mar-20-09 11:30 AM   #32 
         Thanks for the mind reading!  HamdenRice   Mar-20-09 11:43 AM   #36 
            Taibbi doesn't think OTS should be the main regulator of CDS.  smokey nj   Mar-20-09 11:55 AM   #41 
            Thanks, I must have glazed over or misunderstood that passage  HamdenRice   Mar-20-09 12:01 PM   #42 
               while it's hard to read through his style,  northernlights   Mar-21-09 08:13 AM   #96 
                  "...will Obama get that info from them and then dump them..."  BumRushDaShow   Mar-21-09 01:18 PM   #116 
            I missed the threads on commercial paper being the means to save us  genna   Mar-20-09 09:25 PM   #80 
         Crazy? No question.  genna   Mar-20-09 09:04 PM   #76 
   Boom and bust. It happens. It's happened many times in history.  StrongBad   Mar-20-09 10:37 AM   #18 
   K&R. Don't let the Hyperbole Police, Apologists other Useful Idiots fool you...  Zenlitened   Mar-20-09 11:03 AM   #23 
   Good add. Maybe if more people would read this, and other articles, we wouldn't let them get away  chimpymustgo   Mar-20-09 12:28 PM   #49 
   I agree - the Taibbi article is best overview of the meltdown I've seen yet.  Raksha   Mar-21-09 03:13 AM   #90 
      Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. also writes for Rolling Stone  DemReadingDU   Mar-21-09 08:13 AM   #95 
   The sky has fallen so many times.  Life Long Dem   Mar-20-09 11:10 AM   #25 
   yep  Two Americas   Mar-21-09 02:50 PM   #121 
   I love Tiabbi's wit, but I think he's full of shit on ths one.  Phx_Dem   Mar-20-09 11:11 AM   #26 
   Good way of putting it  HamdenRice   Mar-20-09 11:32 AM   #33 
   I'd love to see a list of these wiped out  Bluenorthwest   Mar-21-09 09:45 AM   #100 
   What the hell is the matter with you?  olegramps   Mar-21-09 11:42 AM   #110 
   There are NO regulations. That has been the problem.  Fire1   Mar-20-09 11:36 AM   #34 
   No, that WAS the problem. Lack of regulations created this mess.  Phx_Dem   Mar-20-09 11:51 AM   #39 
      These regulations only target TARP recipients and is why  Fire1   Mar-20-09 12:22 PM   #47 
   I don't think he said that  jeanpalmer   Mar-21-09 05:31 AM   #91 
   I think what he's saying is  northernlights   Mar-21-09 08:19 AM   #97 
   I don't think that's far from the truth - which is why I never liked the Geithner/Summers choices...  polichick   Mar-20-09 11:17 AM   #28 
   The bastards responsible were given a blank check from U.S. taxpayers...  earth mom   Mar-20-09 11:18 AM   #30 
   Thanks Chimpmustgo. I bookmarked and will recommend.  Fire1   Mar-20-09 11:30 AM   #31 
   The American people know who their real welfare queens are now.  rocktivity   Mar-20-09 11:38 AM   #35 
   Well, I've called it the Bushwhacks' "Financial 9/11" since it happened. It was obvious  Peace Patriot   Mar-20-09 11:52 AM   #40 
   Bookmarked and recommended for your post, Peace Patriot.  robertpaulsen   Mar-20-09 03:37 PM   #64 
   Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. also writes for Rolling Stone  DemReadingDU   Mar-21-09 08:20 AM   #98 
   maybe a little over the top, but still worth reading  paulk   Mar-20-09 12:10 PM   #44 
   'Over the top,' is an understatement. That's why a few enlightened  Fire1   Mar-20-09 03:16 PM   #63 
   Wow -- I've got to read the whole thing -- it brought the  nichomachus   Mar-20-09 12:10 PM   #45 
   it is very interesting  Two Americas   Mar-21-09 02:57 PM   #123 
   This pic says it all  thereismore   Mar-20-09 12:17 PM   #46 
   Taibbi does suck.  Baikonour   Mar-20-09 12:33 PM   #51 
   Matt has lost a lot of credibility in the past year or so. It's his own fault.  DevonRex   Mar-20-09 12:47 PM   #53 
   Explain how  KansasVoter   Mar-20-09 09:46 PM   #83 
   his "facts" are WRONG: AIG is not a "dying insurance giant" most of AIG is HEALTHY  amborin   Mar-20-09 01:23 PM   #59 
   If they aren't dying why are giving them massive transfusions? Doesn't matter if  rhett o rick   Mar-21-09 12:52 PM   #113 
   They will be gone within the year.  Usrename   Mar-21-09 11:54 PM   #130 
   ROFLWTFBBQ!!  wellst0nev0ter   Mar-22-09 06:27 PM   #132 
   Oh my!  GeorgeGist   Mar-20-09 04:02 PM   #67 
   Rolling Stone was the only magazine that actually did tell: Bush  KakistocracyHater   Mar-20-09 05:24 PM   #72 
   And the moral of the story is:  southerncrone   Mar-20-09 05:56 PM   #73 
   I like everyone loving AIG....  BlueJac   Mar-20-09 05:57 PM   #74 
   K&R Great read. nt  windoe   Mar-20-09 07:39 PM   #75 
   If the Republicans had stole another election, the revolution would be...  santamargarita   Mar-20-09 09:34 PM   #81 
   Kicking  ellie   Mar-20-09 09:44 PM   #82 
   I heard a rumor  Two Americas   Mar-21-09 02:37 AM   #88 
   Sarcasm noted  HCE SuiGeneris   Mar-21-09 11:05 AM   #102 
   I don't dislike Tiabbi because he criticizes Obama  Enrique   Mar-21-09 11:26 AM   #106 
   his hair  Two Americas   Mar-21-09 01:09 PM   #114 
      i didn't think my criticism was that superficial  Enrique   Mar-21-09 05:04 PM   #126 
         no, you are right  Two Americas   Mar-21-09 07:39 PM   #128 
   Yes, Do Read the Article  NashVegas   Mar-21-09 11:34 AM   #109 
      yes  Two Americas   Mar-21-09 01:15 PM   #115 
         To Expand On That Statement  NashVegas   Mar-21-09 01:24 PM   #117 
            I think it is a phony fight  Two Americas   Mar-21-09 02:42 PM   #118 
   Simply criminal capitalism hitting the concrete again and collecting BIG ... !!!  defendandprotect   Mar-21-09 02:44 AM   #89 
   Great summary of the facts  jeanpalmer   Mar-21-09 05:55 AM   #92 
   Obama is a politician just like FDR and JFK were politicians.  fasttense   Mar-21-09 06:42 AM   #93 
   A word of caution, then...  Number_Six   Mar-21-09 07:38 AM   #94 
   Gradual Takeover  hgovernick   Mar-21-09 09:44 AM   #99 
   Taibbi's A Sniveling Ass  NashVegas   Mar-21-09 11:32 AM   #107 
   I can not help from wondering what your reaction would have been if he called for violent revolution  olegramps   Mar-21-09 11:57 AM   #111 
   All Or Nothing, Is That It?  NashVegas   Mar-21-09 12:19 PM   #112 
   just the first paragraph  Two Americas   Mar-21-09 02:49 PM   #120 
   Wouldn't a coup be a better word???  cliffordu   Mar-21-09 02:47 PM   #119 
   Man, I really hope he's wrong.  bklyncowgirl   Mar-21-09 08:16 PM   #129 
   Again!!!! What is this the 15th or 30th time this was announced!  whistler162   Mar-22-09 10:56 AM   #131 
 

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