Reply #80: Regarding #2, whatever these birther nuts believe, it has been settled in law,

[Peace Patriot]

long ago.

2) "Native Born Citizen" - born on US soil or to a US citizen parent overseas, one or both parents not US citizens if born in the US. The belief is this causes "divided loyalties" from birth, therefore the belief is such individuals are not able to be president.

Obama was born of a U.S. mother, in a U.S. state (Hawaii), but even if he wasn't born in Hawaii (and had been born in a territory or a foreign country), he would still be a U.S. citizen. Her citizenship absolutely establishes his.

The "belief" of some that this causes "divided loyalties" is irrelevant. It's a matter of law. I was taught this early in my education, but I don't know when it was established, by which cases (or whether the 14th amendment was the settler of this issue).

Perhaps we're dealing here not only with this vague notion of "divided loyalties" (that has no meaning in law, that I know of--and is contradicted by our use of conscripted or voluntary aliens as soldiers in the U.S. military)--AND a sexist bigotry against female U.S. citizenship. If Obama's father had been a U.S. citizen, and his mother the foreigner, would these fascists be pursuing this obsession? The Grover Norquist plotters are clever at manipulating underlying sexist (and of course racist) feelings in a small group of bigots whose views then get trumpeted--way out of proportion to their numbers--by the corpo/fascist media.

I can envision the corpo/fascists using this issue in a coup d'etat situation (re: 2000, 2004), the way Hitler twisted laws and nativist/patriotic feelings to his ends, to dispossess and kill Jews, and to invade the rest of Europe. But I can't imagine it having any traction in law and in normal political circumstances in the U.S. An important question is whether these are normal political circumstances, or whether a further fascist coup is in progress here. As to that, I am very, very, VERY concerned about the 'TRADE SECRET' code voting machines, all over the country, with the code owned and controlled by a handful of rightwing Bushite corporations, with virtually no audit/recount controls. They could very well have permitted Obama to win (but I think significantly shaved his mandate, to hamper reform), with the intention of knocking him down and throwing him out, and installing the next fascist coup in 2012. In that kind of scenario, I could see this citizenship bullshit being part of the corpo/fascist 'news' monopoly false narrative about Obama.

The rightwing in this country--controlled by multinational financial interests--are nothing if not stinking, rotten, vomitty, foul, bloody-minded traitors. We should never forget this. What may look ridiculous to us and all reasonable people now, could well turn up as an important plank of the next false narrative covering up the next stolen election. They've done it before. Remember the bandaids at the Republican Convention? Can there ever have been anything more absurd than the lie that Kerry didn't deserve the medals he received in combat, while CBS execs were suppressing the true story of Bush's AWOL?

So we had best understand this latest idiocy. I've been ignoring it, and I shouldn't have been. But what may be more important than early debunking this utter B.S. about Obama's citizenship, is insuring that we can prevent another stolen election. And, right now, we cannot.